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[lovgreno]

FataliTensei wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...


I would be fine with Kasumi being a same-sex LI, or Zaeed for that matter. To my knowledge, Zaeed hasn't mentioned being involved romantically with anyone, so he could easily be gay or bisexual. I also think Kaidan, Ashley, Miranda and Jack could be revealed to be bisexual without a serious discontinuity. It would take a little bit of explaining, but certainly no more than Garrus and Tali suddenly wanted to jump Opposite-Sex-Shepard's bones.

This sooooo much

Seconded.
I would replace Ashley with Thane though, but we all have our gaydars differently calibrated.
Making all LI that has formerly only been known to like the opposite gender bi would feel a little strange though.
The number of flirts and LIs should be kept small, despite orientation. Most of them are best as "just" friends, wich doesn't mean we can't make hot fanfiction and art about them of course...

[Ryzaki]

slimgrin wrote...

Fine. Zaeed is a flamer. Just listen to him:

"Shepard, get yer gaddamn sexy ass over e're! That's right mate, talkin to you."

Actually I wish I still had that splinch of dialogue made to seem as though MShep and Zaeed was having an homosexual encounter. Twas hilarious and creepy.

*goes digging*

Edit: I found it! Firefox for the win!

Edit: Disclaimer: That is not mine. I found it on one of the same sex romance
topics. I forgot which one. The only reason I even found it was because
Firefox has godly history.



Its meant to be a parody not anything serious.

And makes me remember just how sucky Meer's VA is. Not that Hale is much better but still...

Edit: And Zaeed in a romance period seems just...OOC. Zaeed doesn't seem to me as boyfriend material.

I mean sure you could probably crack that egg but do you honestly want to? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 mai 2010 - 07:19 .

[Ryzaki]

lovgreno wrote...
Seconded.
I would replace Ashley with Thane though, but we all have our gaydars differently calibrated.
Making all LI that has formerly only been known to like the opposite gender bi would feel a little strange though.
The number of flirts and LIs should be kept small, despite orientation. Most of them are best as "just" friends, wich doesn't mean we can't make hot fanfiction and art about them of course...

I just want Shepard to meet a great looking, sexy voice, great personality character and when Shep flirts with them they go: "Oh sorry. I'm married and I love my husband/wife." 

Seriously I want Shep to actually get rejected by someone whose not interested.

And No Samara doesn't count seeing as she would be willing to throw Shepard down in "another life".

[lovgreno]

Ryzaki wrote...

I just want Shepard to meet a great looking, sexy voice, great personality character and when Shep flirts with them they go: "Oh sorry. I'm married and I love my husband/wife." 

Seriously I want Shep to actually get rejected by someone whose not interested.

And No Samara doesn't count seeing as she would be willing to throw Shepard down in "another life".

Or even better: Shepard brags about how he/she can seduce anyone and a friend make a bet that Shepard can't seduce that lovely person you described. And then Shepard get rejected.

[Fraevar]

Ryzaki wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Fine. Zaeed is a flamer. Just listen to him:

"Shepard, get yer gaddamn sexy ass over e're! That's right mate, talkin to you."

Actually I wish I still had that splinch of dialogue made to seem as though MShep and Zaeed was having an homosexual encounter. Twas hilarious and creepy.

*goes digging*

Edit: I found it! Firefox for the win!



Its meant to be a parody not anything serious.

And makes me remember just how sucky Meer's VA is. Not that Hale is much better but still...

Edit: And Zaeed in a romance period seems just...OOC. Zaeed doesn't seem to me as boyfriend material.

I mean sure you could probably crack that egg but do you honestly want to? 

OMG!!! I just splorted my cereal! Damn youse

Edit: My main problem with Meer's Shepard is that it's just such a dead-pan tone he uses. He's a better actor than that. Hale's better at wisecracking snark, methinks. "Perfectly legal? Yes it is. Close the door behind you?" I love the tone she has there.

Modifié par Delerius_Jedi, 14 mai 2010 - 07:37 .

[khevan]

Ryzaki wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Fine. Zaeed is a flamer. Just listen to him:

"Shepard, get yer gaddamn sexy ass over e're! That's right mate, talkin to you."

Actually I wish I still had that splinch of dialogue made to seem as though MShep and Zaeed was having an homosexual encounter. Twas hilarious and creepy.

*goes digging*

Edit: I found it! Firefox for the win!



Its meant to be a parody not anything serious.

And makes me remember just how sucky Meer's VA is. Not that Hale is much better but still...

Edit: And Zaeed in a romance period seems just...OOC. Zaeed doesn't seem to me as boyfriend material.

I mean sure you could probably crack that egg but do you honestly want to? 

You owe me a new keyboard.  Just spit my soda all over it, trying not to laugh.

[Ryzaki]

Disclaimer: That is not mine. I found it on one of the same sex romance topics. I forgot which one. The only reason I even found it was because Firefox has godly history.

Though yes. It is hysterical. And I choked on my food while hearing it for the first time as well.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 mai 2010 - 07:19 .

[Syledir]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
I would be fine with Kasumi being a same-sex LI, or Zaeed for that matter. To my knowledge, Zaeed hasn't mentioned being involved romantically with anyone, so he could easily be gay or bisexual. I also think Kaidan, Ashley, Miranda and Jack could be revealed to be bisexual without a serious discontinuity. It would take a little bit of explaining, but certainly no more than Garrus and Tali suddenly wanted to jump Opposite-Sex-Shepard's bones.

Having 6 squadmembers suddenly realize that they are sexually interested in both genders, strikes me as quite odd in the story.

On a side note:  (not specifically you Sian)
I understand that people can change in the story concerning their sexuality.  To use this line of reasoning is understandable to me.

But, to further use that argument to say that all, or nearly all of the LI's could change is a stretch to me.  It makes me think that whoever uses this reasoning(people can change their sexuality), therefore nearly everyone will change, doesn't seem to care for the story.  That they are only using that reasoning to further bolster their case.  Therefore making the argument sound hollow to me.

I can see your point. But I can't agree with it completely. Let me explain...

First of all, the sexuality has nothing to do with the story of Mass Effect. You could play both games without having a love interest. The main plot remains untouched. Changing the sexuality of NPC's wouldn't change the story.

I don't agree that changing the NPC's sexuality damages the contuinity, but you seem to think otherwise and your opinion isn't any less valuable than mine. But there are certain ways to go around that problem.
A DLC similar to the Juhani patch from KotoR would do the trick. From that point on every romanceable NPC would be open to same sex romance aswell. No damaging the contuinity because your love interest was interested from the very beginning.
A romance DLC (I believe I even heard that Casey Hudson likes the idea, but I could be wrong) where your love interest explains that he or she needed to sort out his/her feelings first, besides there was the Collector problem and he/she didn't want to be distracted. Now that the crisis is over he/she has decided confront you. Or try this one: He/She has not been open about his/her sexuality because homosexuality seems still to be an issue, even after we have made contact with other aliens and he/she didn't want to damage his/her friendship with Shepard or create an awkward situation. Now after the Collectors are defeated and the galaxy is safe for the time being the love interest has realised that he/she doesn't want to live with past regrets or ponder with what if's.
Some people believe that BioWares writers can't write good romance, even if their life dependet on it. So, let's take a look on this line: "I tried to ignore my feelings, but the longer I try the harder it gets. I can't ignore my feelings for you anymore." Pretty cheesy, right? Not true. Much depends on the voice actor aswell. Dialogue that seems cheesy in written form works perfectly well, when spoken by actors. The same goes of course with dialogue that looks great but once the actor tries it a few times it doesn't seem so great anymore. So give the writers some slack.
I've always believed that BioWare games are the closest thing to Star Treks holodecks (real life simulators similar to the Matrix). Imagine the Captain of the Enterprise enters the holodeck and orders a real life simulation of Sherlock Holmes. Because the Captain is gay, he wants to have a romance with our favorite Inspector. Until the computer answers: "Unable to comply. Sherlock Holmes has never showed homosexual tendencies and that would destroy the contuinity of the story. Available are the homeless drunk right beside you who has passed out in his own vomit. The backstabbing thief who, should you survive the encounter, will rob you blind and leave you naked in a rundown street. And the emotionless Constable who still believes that children come from flowers and bees." "You've got to be kidding me." "So what, live is harsh. Deal with it."

BioWare stated that this is your Shepard, your adventure, your game. Shouldn't we be able to live in this fantasy like you want? Because that's what it is. Once you turn your Computer or the X-Box of, your back to reality. You will never be a Spectre in real life and you will never fight Reapers. Here in real life you have only limited influence on other people or your enviroment. I know the game has limits, but please don't force someone to have a romance with a love interest he/she doesn't feel comfortable with.

I believe it is easy to say I'm hetero but I wouldn't have a problem with a NPC being gay (because that is not the case) and I wouldn't have a problem with only one or two NPC becoming bisexual (aslong as my favourite is among them). I played a trick on my brother two days ago. I told him, that we have finally made an impact and BioWare decided to make Jacob and Miranda homosexuall, Jack and Thane bisexuall. His answer sounded like Darth Vader from Episode 3: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" I asked what his problem is since who could always romance Jack and Tali would still be an all male exclusive. The answer is easy. Miranda is his favourite love interest. I let him of the hook afterwards, but he is a perfect example of how fast someone can change his/her mind once their interests are not met anymore. That's why I believe every romanceable NPC should be romanceable for both male and female Shepards as long as Shepard is the one who initiates the romance.

[khevan]

@Syledir: I've never looked at the ME series as my own personal holodeck. I've always looked at it as a story that Bioware is telling, that I get to be a part of. And while I've come to the conclusion that having a few of the current squadmates be open to s/s romances in ME3 would be ok with me as long as it's done well, I think that making every LI bisexual is going too far to be believeable. I could see maybe half, but all of them? It doesn't make sense, to me, storywise, if every LI is bisexual. Just as in real life, there are heterosexuals, bisexuals and homosexuals, I honestly think the NPCs should be the same. There should be some heterosexual NPCs, some bisexual and some homosexual.



While I can see where you're coming from, and I respect your opinion, I view the Mass Effect games as interactive stories, one I'm a part of, but one I don't control. No matter how I play the game, eventually Shepard will fight (or talk down) Saren, defeat Sovereign, die on the Normandy, be brought back by Cerberus, recruit a crew, and take down the Collectors. Every time I play the games, this will happen. Because it's a defined story, trying to make it into a true alternate reality is taking the concept too far, in my opinion.



As for squadmates I could see being bisexual in ME3, I would say that Kaidan, Jack, and maybe Tali are the "prime candidates," but it'd be interesting if Miranda and Jacob would be as well.

[Ryzaki]

Heck making all the most of the squaddies LIs in the first place is already going to far. Not to mention somehow getting this dysfunctional group to work together willingly.



That said I wouldn't be averse to a "everyone is BI" DLC. That way those that think it breaks the realism for them could simply skip it and those that want it can have it.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I agree with slimgrin

[Ryzaki]

slimgrin wrote...

Making an 'everyone is bi' dlc is so far from realistic its ridiculous. No offense here, but are you kidding?  Why would the people who want s/s relationships in the game want to see it devolve into pure fan service? I say pick a character or two, make them genuinely gay, and stick with it.

That would be a bold statement for a video game - not an 'optional' button.

Hey I'm not being realistic with such a desire. If everyone was realistic all the time the world would be pretty darn boring and this forum wouldn't exist.

And really nothing wrong with fanservice. Just look at Miranda.

Though I'd take a genuinely gay LI (not BI) and would be glad. Heck I'd take a BI LI and would be glad. Just because you're starving and happen to find 20 dollars doesn't mean you can't dream about finding 200.

Besides how realistic is it that Shep's team not only works together, but are also willing to let Shep in their personal issues as well as lay their life on the line for Shep. That's no more realistic than anything else yet we're all just rolling with that. What are the real chances of Shep being resurrected? The chance that TIM would even *want* Shep resurrected?  The fact that certain companions from ME1 don't have your back in ME2? Not to mention the bomb from end game. <_<

I'm avoiding spoilers but that reject from the terminator isn't realistic either.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 mai 2010 - 08:25 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Ryzaki wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Making an 'everyone is bi' dlc is so far from realistic its ridiculous. No offense here, but are you kidding?  Why would the people who want s/s relationships in the game want to see it devolve into pure fan service? I say pick a character or two, make them genuinely gay, and stick with it.

That would be a bold statement for a video game - not an 'optional' button.

Hey I'm not being realistic with such a desire. If everyone was realistic all the time the world would be pretty darn boring and this forum wouldn't exist.

And really nothing wrong with fanservice. Just look at Miranda.

Though I'd take a genuinely gay LI (not BI) and would be glad. Heck I'd take a BI LI and would be glad. Just because you're starving and happen to find 20 dollars doesn't mean you can't dream about finding 200.

I disagree, I find that aspect of the game extremely lame.  So much so that I wouldn't mind her being cut out if that was the only point of her existence. 

[Ryzaki]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Making an 'everyone is bi' dlc is so far from realistic its ridiculous. No offense here, but are you kidding?  Why would the people who want s/s relationships in the game want to see it devolve into pure fan service? I say pick a character or two, make them genuinely gay, and stick with it.

That would be a bold statement for a video game - not an 'optional' button.

Hey I'm not being realistic with such a desire. If everyone was realistic all the time the world would be pretty darn boring and this forum wouldn't exist.

And really nothing wrong with fanservice. Just look at Miranda.

Though I'd take a genuinely gay LI (not BI) and would be glad. Heck I'd take a BI LI and would be glad. Just because you're starving and happen to find 20 dollars doesn't mean you can't dream about finding 200.

I disagree, I find that aspect of the game extremely lame.  So much so that I wouldn't mind her being cut out if that was the only point of her existence. 

Harsh. Good thing she is somewhat important to the plot then.

[Ryzaki]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I don't believe it's going to happen. They are not going to make all of the characters BI, especially this late in the trilogy. As it stands now, it's probably quite unlikely that any of the LI's will change their orientation.

Oh of course they aren't that would be ridculous. Would make as much sense as making Kaidan a xenophobe and Ashley the poster child for alien/human cooperation.

That said I do want an exclusive same sex LI for both genders that would be nice. And it is totally doable. Just need 2 OCs.

[khevan]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...
I don't believe it's going to happen. They are not going to make all of the characters BI, especially this late in the trilogy. As it stands now, it's probably quite unlikely that any of the LI's will change their orientation.

Oh of course they aren't that would be ridculous. Would make as much sense as making Kaidan a xenophobe and Ashley the poster child for alien/human cooperation.

That said I do want an exclusive same sex LI for both genders that would be nice. And it is totally doable. Just need 2 OCs.

You know what I think Bioware needs to do?
What Bioware needs to do at this stage of the game, is facilitate the players' capacity to get maximum usage from modifications (mods) in this area.  This to me should be part of the agenda in this thread.

Maybe some DLC for a couple of characters too I suppose, or new characters in ME3.

But Bioware needs to make it super mod friendly to accomodate players at this stage IMO.

While modding ME would certainly add a personal touch to the game, I honestly think I would prefer Bioware add same sex romances to the Mass Effect universe officially.  I would rather Bioware do what they did in KoTOR, Jade Empire and DA:O, but somehow didn't do in Mass Effect.  Mods would give the fans what they want, yes, and that is a worthy goal in and of itself, but, again, I'd rather Bioware did it officially.

[Ryzaki]

khevan wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...
I don't believe it's going to happen. They are not going to make all of the characters BI, especially this late in the trilogy. As it stands now, it's probably quite unlikely that any of the LI's will change their orientation.

Oh of course they aren't that would be ridculous. Would make as much sense as making Kaidan a xenophobe and Ashley the poster child for alien/human cooperation.

That said I do want an exclusive same sex LI for both genders that would be nice. And it is totally doable. Just need 2 OCs.

You know what I think Bioware needs to do?
What Bioware needs to do at this stage of the game, is facilitate the players' capacity to get maximum usage from modifications (mods) in this area.  This to me should be part of the agenda in this thread.

Maybe some DLC for a couple of characters too I suppose, or new characters in ME3.

But Bioware needs to make it super mod friendly to accomodate players at this stage IMO.

While modding ME would certainly add a personal touch to the game, I honestly think I would prefer Bioware add same sex romances to the Mass Effect universe officially.  I would rather Bioware do what they did in KoTOR, Jade Empire and DA:O, but somehow didn't do in Mass Effect.  Mods would give the fans what they want, yes, and that is a worthy goal in and of itself, but, again, I'd rather Bioware did it officially.

Not to mention us on Xbox are kind of screwed in that department.

[khevan]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

khevan wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...
I don't believe it's going to happen. They are not going to make all of the characters BI, especially this late in the trilogy. As it stands now, it's probably quite unlikely that any of the LI's will change their orientation.

Oh of course they aren't that would be ridculous. Would make as much sense as making Kaidan a xenophobe and Ashley the poster child for alien/human cooperation.

That said I do want an exclusive same sex LI for both genders that would be nice. And it is totally doable. Just need 2 OCs.

You know what I think Bioware needs to do?
What Bioware needs to do at this stage of the game, is facilitate the players' capacity to get maximum usage from modifications (mods) in this area.  This to me should be part of the agenda in this thread.

Maybe some DLC for a couple of characters too I suppose, or new characters in ME3.

But Bioware needs to make it super mod friendly to accomodate players at this stage IMO.

While modding ME would certainly add a personal touch to the game, I honestly think I would prefer Bioware add same sex romances to the Mass Effect universe officially.  I would rather Bioware do what they did in KoTOR, Jade Empire and DA:O, but somehow didn't do in Mass Effect.  Mods would give the fans what they want, yes, and that is a worthy goal in and of itself, but, again, I'd rather Bioware did it officially.

There is only problem though, we are in the middle of a trilogy right now.

Yes, which is why it's unrealistic to think that current LI's will be opened to the same gender in ME3.  However, it is entirely possible that new LI's will be added in ME3 who are homosexual or bisexual.  Yeah, it's too late for ME1 and ME2, except thru mods, but I still want Bioware to do this officially in ME3.

[Syledir]

khevan wrote...

@Syledir: I've never looked at the ME series as my own personal holodeck. I've always looked at it as a story that Bioware is telling, that I get to be a part of. And while I've come to the conclusion that having a few of the current squadmates be open to s/s romances in ME3 would be ok with me as long as it's done well, I think that making every LI bisexual is going too far to be believeable. I could see maybe half, but all of them? It doesn't make sense, to me, storywise, if every LI is bisexual. Just as in real life, there are heterosexuals, bisexuals and homosexuals, I honestly think the NPCs should be the same. There should be some heterosexual NPCs, some bisexual and some homosexual.

While I can see where you're coming from, and I respect your opinion, I view the Mass Effect games as interactive stories, one I'm a part of, but one I don't control. No matter how I play the game, eventually Shepard will fight (or talk down) Saren, defeat Sovereign, die on the Normandy, be brought back by Cerberus, recruit a crew, and take down the Collectors. Every time I play the games, this will happen. Because it's a defined story, trying to make it into a true alternate reality is taking the concept too far, in my opinion.

As for squadmates I could see being bisexual in ME3, I would say that Kaidan, Jack, and maybe Tali are the "prime candidates," but it'd be interesting if Miranda and Jacob would be as well.

I never said that it is a holodeck. I said it is the closest thing to it. Of course you have to confront Saren and defeat Sovereign. If you didn't the story would be over, because the Reapers would have won. And there wouldn't be much sense in that. Furthermore we don't have the technology to make a game where you can decide every possible element of the game. And even if that would be the case. How much would that game cost?

And don't know, maybe you have a picture in your head. Gay Shep enters the Normandy and every male NPC throws himself in front of your feet and you can have a mass orgy. If that is the case, than I am sorry, that was not what i meant. What I had in mind was that Shepard would have to seek out ONE potential love interest and make it CLEAR that he or she wants to have a romance. Once that is established you could never have a homosexual romance in your game by accident. You would never know of any homosexuall tendencies UNLESS you initiate it. But than, this would be your own fault. This is not reality. It is a game. A Fantasy. I have never met a single homosexual guy who complains that there is not a single guy in his pron movie who was not interested because he was hetero. And why should he? It is not real. And that is the beauty in it.

I agree a homosexuall, a bisexuall and a heterosexuall love interest for each gender would be great. But how do you decide which love interest becomes the gay one and who doesn't? It should be at least like it has been done in Jade Empire. The male love interest (always forget his name) was only interested in your male PC if you disregard every other female NPC. He asks after a time why you don't try your luck with one of the women. You have to say that they are not what your looking for. Only than it works.

In addition it would be nice to be able to play cupid for your crew. Considering the pictures a few posts ago I am not the only one who believes Miranda and Jack are a match made in hell. One could even say that's the reason why they didn't want to be with femshep. They had their eyes on someone else. If someone says Jacob and Miranda should get back together, hey why not?