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[Arik7]

Tirigon wrote...

I wish they would release a Mass Effect Toolset (preferrably one that even I can understand^^) so we could just fix the lack of homosexual romances ourselves. It´s quite annoying that it has been cut to adapt to homophobe idiots.

The same-sex option should have been available in the game, but a Toolset would useful in any case....

[SorenTrigg]

I am not sure how much use a toolset would be, given how heavily voiced Mass Effect is.

Plus, again, as others have pointed out, they should just be in the game instead of doing something like that, and it would not help 360 users.

[ElitePinecone]

SorenTrigg wrote...

I am not sure how much use a toolset would be, given how heavily voiced Mass Effect is.
Plus, again, as others have pointed out, they should just be in the game instead of doing something like that, and it would not help 360 users.

I agree. It would probably be easier for Bioware to record the dialogue and do the coding for s/s romances than to design and release a toolset for modders (and harder still if it had to be user-friendly for non-modders or casual users).  Plus, as you said a workaround would do nothing for Xbox owners, who haven't got nearly the ability of PC owners to modify their games. 

[AdeptMage]

+1 in favor of same sex relationships in Mass Effect.  I have not read everything here (there is a ton!), but wanted to post in support. 

The lack of such options when multiple heterosexual relationships are available is one of the reasons I tend to dislike such RPGs. In JRPGs (final fantasy, megaten, etc) you typically are more of an observer, the characters are who they are and you are along for the ride making decisions that influence their future, but not who they are. So the lack of same sex options is not a big deal in those kinds of games.

But in games like  Mass Effect where you assume the role of the character, decide what they look like, their gender, what their personality is, their goals, and their core values, it is very hard to truly relate to your character when such a large part of yourself seems to not exist in their world.  In games with only heterosexual options (almost every game ever), I just ignore them or choose to make the relationship stay platonic so at least it feels like the storyline came to a more natural conclusion.

DAO was one of my favorite games partly because it included the option. The gay/bi characters were not exaggerated or embarrassing representations and none of the straight players that I know felt threatened by their inclusion. Most did not even realize they were gay/bi until after they had already finished the game and read some of the controversies about it.

I like Mass Effect the way it is, but for me and apparently many other players it would be that much better if same sex options were added. Keep up the fight you guys. Shame that there has to be a fight at all about something that should be a given, but maybe ME3 will see some options.

Modifié par AdeptMage, 23 mai 2010 - 09:32 .

[Jazharah]

Just popping in to toss in a can of support.

Better than beans.

[The 0ne Demigod]

In my opinion think it would just feel wrong to have Shepard suddenly take an interest in the same sex. I can see why people want it in game, but isn't someone's sexuality a part of their personality? To change Shepard's sexuality now would be like ripping out his personality and putting in someone else's.

I just really think that implementing this into the last trilogy of the game is a bad idea.

Put it in other games from the beginning? Sure, that's fine.

Make someone suddenly feel attraction to the same sex after he's acted hetero for the last two games? It makes me feel like I thought I knew Shepard, but really didn't.

Just my thoughts on this.

Modifié par The 0ne Demigod, 23 mai 2010 - 12:04 .

[ADSan]

I support this thread 100%. Same sex options shouldn't bother anyone, don't change the game or something, you play at your own way.

[SorenTrigg]

The 0ne Demigod wrote...

In my opinion think it would just feel wrong to have Shepard suddenly take an interest in the same sex. I can see why people want it in game, but isn't someone's sexuality a part of their personality? To change Shepard's sexuality now would be like ripping out his personality and putting in someone else's.

The only problem is she already can.

There is no set personality, sex, nor orientation for Shepard.

[jonnyblueballs]

I kind of thought Shepard had a hard on for Jacob.

[Nordic Einar]

The 0ne Demigod wrote...

In my opinion think it would just feel wrong to have Shepard suddenly take an interest in the same sex. I can see why people want it in game, but isn't someone's sexuality a part of their personality? To change Shepard's sexuality now would be like ripping out his personality and putting in someone else's.

Funny, I imagine all my family and friends felt the same way when I came out later in life. Where, exactly, has Shepard stated explicitly that he/she is only interested in the opposite sex? Heck, femshep can be a lesbian already.

The 0ne Demigod wrote...

Make someone suddenly feel attraction to the same sex after he's acted hetero for the last two games? It makes me feel like I thought I knew Shepard, but really didn't.

Just my thoughts on this.

And how exactly does someone "act hetero"? By all means, explain to me how you can tell, explicitly, someone's sexuality solely from their actions and appearance. You do realize (and this is a shocker, I'm sure) that not all homosexual men (in fact, not most!) don't act like Flamer-Stereotype Exampleboy from various Holywood TV Shows/Movies, right?

[The 0ne Demigod]

SorenTrigg wrote...

The 0ne Demigod wrote...

In my opinion think it would just feel wrong to have Shepard suddenly take an interest in the same sex. I can see why people want it in game, but isn't someone's sexuality a part of their personality? To change Shepard's sexuality now would be like ripping out his personality and putting in someone else's.

The only problem is she already can.

There is no set personality, sex, nor orientation for Shepard.

I completely forgot about femshep. Thanks for pointing that out.
I don't think maleshep shows any interest in other males. Not certain though.

I suppose it could happen, but as long as it's not like Jack's relationship where she mistook my "I want to be friends" for "I want to be your lover". I dislike being forced into relationships no matter who it's with.

Modifié par The 0ne Demigod, 23 mai 2010 - 03:31 .

[The 0ne Demigod]

Nordic Einar wrote...

The 0ne Demigod wrote...

In my opinion think it would just feel wrong to have Shepard suddenly take an interest in the same sex. I can see why people want it in game, but isn't someone's sexuality a part of their personality? To change Shepard's sexuality now would be like ripping out his personality and putting in someone else's.

Funny, I imagine all my family and friends felt the same way when I came out later in life. Where, exactly, has Shepard stated explicitly that he/she is only interested in the opposite sex? Heck, femshep can be a lesbian already.

The 0ne Demigod wrote...

Make someone suddenly feel attraction to the same sex after he's acted hetero for the last two games? It makes me feel like I thought I knew Shepard, but really didn't.

Just my thoughts on this.

And how exactly does someone "act hetero"? By all means, explain to me how you can tell, explicitly, someone's sexuality solely from their actions and appearance. You do realize (and this is a shocker, I'm sure) that not all homosexual men (in fact, not most!) don't act like Flamer-Stereotype Exampleboy from various Holywood TV Shows/Movies, right?

I do believe I was being quite ingorant in making those assumptions.
Also, yes it is a shocker to find homosexual men that do not fit the stereotype.
I know no people currently that have are gay, so all I know are stereotypes.

I apologize for my ignorance.

Modifié par The 0ne Demigod, 23 mai 2010 - 03:49 .

[Nordic Einar]

I'm happy you're at least willing to face your ignorance - most people won't. Also, statistics alone suggests you do, in fact, know at least one person who is homosexual. They just might not have told you. Chances are good you know multiple homosexuals, but since plenty of us can pass just fine for straight, you'd never know unless we told you.



It's something you should do your best to keep in mind.

[Tirigon]

The 0ne Demigod wrote...


I suppose it could happen, but as long as it's not like Jack's relationship where she mistook my "I want to be friends" for "I want to be your lover". I dislike being forced into relationships no matter who it's with.

This is a good point, but - as you, in fact, stated already - it is not a problem with Same Sex romances but with the way the romances are triggered in the game. And yes, it kinda sucks that you either hate a companion or f*ck him / her. But alas, I guess that´s just Shepard. He / She seems to live by the rule "If you can´t f*ck it, kill it".

[SorenTrigg]

You have to remember, though. The 'problem with romances' is subjective. Personally, I have never had difficulty with getting into a relationship accidentally, and I talk to all of my crew as much as I possibly can, in addition to being a paragon about it.

[ElitePinecone]

Tirigon wrote...

The 0ne Demigod wrote...


I suppose it could happen, but as long as it's not like Jack's relationship where she mistook my "I want to be friends" for "I want to be your lover". I dislike being forced into relationships no matter who it's with.

This is a good point, but - as you, in fact, stated already - it is not a problem with Same Sex romances but with the way the romances are triggered in the game. And yes, it kinda sucks that you either hate a companion or f*ck him / her. But alas, I guess that´s just Shepard. He / She seems to live by the rule "If you can´t f*ck it, kill it".

Perhaps exactly the kind of situation where coloured 'romance' dialogue options would work very well to solve a problem. No more "whoops I just propositioned Jack by being friendly". In real life, your intentions are clear by what you say - but in-game we have to rely on vague conversation options that sometimes don't convey the whole meaning. 

It would certainly make it much easier for people to avoid unwanted romances while still being able to talk to their crewmembers.

[Lopake]

bump

[Jestina]

I wish...and I wish female Shepard had better romantic interests to choose from.



In the first ME you've got Liara and the um..that forgettable Alenko guy.

In ME2 you've got Jacob(yucko) and uh...oh that aquatic guy who I guess you could stock the aquarium with.

[Anwarddyn]

Jestina wrote...

I wish...and I wish female Shepard had better romantic interests to choose from.

In the first ME you've got Liara and the um..that forgettable Alenko guy.
In ME2 you've got Jacob(yucko) and uh...oh that aquatic guy who I guess you could stock the aquarium with.

This

[tyddrwsau]

slimgrin wrote...

Anwarddyn wrote...

Jestina wrote...

I wish...and I wish female Shepard had better romantic interests to choose from.

In the first ME you've got Liara and the um..that forgettable Alenko guy.
In ME2 you've got Jacob(yucko) and uh...oh that aquatic guy who I guess you could stock the aquarium with.

This

Thanes not all bad. I rather like the guy. Samara might be same sex romance in ME3. There's always hope there.

One - I quite like Kaidan Alenko! Mshep totally deserves his love.

Two - I quite liked that Samara was an option that Shepard can flirt with, but not have. Bless her sad soul. (Besides, does your Shepard *really* want to date someone who was born in the 1200s? She's aged well, but she makes no secret of the baggage she's picked up over those long years.)

[FuturePasTimeCE]

 no gay **** dude... no. (let the gay characters be gay on their on personal private time)




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unless it is gay girl on girl action, then it's okay to have that sort of gay stuff:wub:<3:alien: that gay **** is ****ing awesome then!


then it's all cool then.

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 27 mai 2010 - 01:00 .

[Charsen]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

 no gay **** dude... no. (let the gay characters be gay on their on personal private time)
unless it is gay girl on girl action, then it's okay to have that sort of gay stuff:wub:<3:alien: that gay **** is ****ing awesome then!

then it's all cool then.

dude, if your PC isn't gay then WTF would it bother you? it wouldn't. because your PC wouldn't pursue them, right? unless you're saying you would be unable to avoid a gay romance if it was in the game....

and for the lesbian comment.... really, grow up and respect the ladies

[soignee]

unless it is gay girl on girl action, then it's okay to have that sort of gay stuff:wub:<3:alien: that gay **** is ****ing awesome then!
then it's all cool then.

Oh look at you trying to be special with your fail macros and screwed gender issues. Aaaw. Bless. I bet you're a wow at parties, amirite?

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Charsen wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

 no gay **** dude... no. (let the gay characters be gay on their on personal private time)
unless it is gay girl on girl action, then it's okay to have that sort of gay stuff:wub:<3:alien: that gay **** is ****ing awesome then!

then it's all cool then.

dude, if your PC isn't gay then WTF would it bother you? it wouldn't. because your PC wouldn't pursue them, right? unless you're saying you would be unable to avoid a gay romance if it was in the game....

and for the lesbian comment.... really, grow up and respect the ladies

I am respecting the ladies. I think lesbians are very interesting people.

But say if you were in dialogue with another character and something ed to some weird gay scene you didn't intended?

soignee wrote...

unless it is gay girl on girl action, then it's okay to have that sort of gay stuff:wub:<3:alien: that gay **** is ****ing awesome then!
then it's all cool then.

Oh look at you trying to be special with your fail macros and screwed gender issues. Aaaw. Bless. I bet you're a wow at parties, amirite?

SUpporting Lesbians isn't a issue. it's the right thing to do.

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 27 mai 2010 - 03:16 .