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[Eddo36]

Backed into a corner? I'm just giving my 2 cents, I'm not gaining or losing ground.

[Schneidend]

Eddo36 wrote...

As I stated, I'm more focused on the action and decisions. I really think the dev's time would be better spent not making this into a dating sim. It's just my opinion, I like Mass Effect for other things than romance.

But, other romance options are available. The Mass Effect games aren't considered "dating sims," and would not be dating sims with a same sex romance for either gender. Although, there already was one in the first game, no matter how much Casey Hudson doth protest.

[Eddo36]

Fighting = discussing?



I need to buy a thesaurus.

[Charsen]

the thing is, Eddo, they already put the work into making some characters available as same-sex LIs, they simply removed it. so your points about putting effort into something else is moot.

[Nordic Einar]

Eddo36 wrote...

Adding another DLC quest for Cerberus Network? Or should I mention 100 other things that seem more important to gameplay.

More important to you. But then you've never had to exist in a world where people like to pretend you don't exist, so I'm not surprised you don't care about this issue.

Some of us aren't so lucky.

I also never understood why people get so offended by the idea of boycotts, or people deciding to spend their money on companies that support their policies - isn't that exactly how a capitalist society is supposed to work? How do you suppose we communicate our displeasure with a company? If profit is all the care about - and based on the level of detail and love put into Bioware's games, I highly doubt it's JUST about profit - what way could possibly be more effective than not purchasing their games?

It's absolutely in my right, as a consumer, to boycott a company (or more specifically here, a franchise) that continues to snub me and mine. In fact, I know some libertarians who would argue it was my moral obligation to do so. But then they'd start quoting John Galt and I'd have to kill myself D:

[Ziggy]

Gundar3 wrote...

we should not present all possible choices
to people who are not yet ready or unwilling to understand the many
facets of a persons sexuality that exist.  Children who are in  (or
barely out of) high school fall under this category.  The ESRB can
issue all the ratings it wants, kids play these games, so all the ESRB
really does is give a company a legal shield to use and dish out
whatever message they have.  Also, sxuality and other issues with heavy
moral weight should be discovered and fostered within an individuals
mind specifically within their own family.  These are indiviaual and
family matters that should stay there and not be forced by society. 
What that means is that in presenting someone with the option of a
homosexual act and treating it as just another option, you are telling
the player that it is perfectly acceptable when that player should
really be making their own opinion.

I think this is exactly why homosexuality should betreated as just another option in games; so that people (especially thehigh school kids you mention) don't feel like it's wrong or abnormal to have these feelings, especially if their parents think it is.

In childrens show in Australia a while back, they did a section about a girl who had "two mummies". There was a lot of backlash from parents saying "how do i explain that to my kids?" etc, but also a lot who praised them. All they needed to say was something like "sometimes women fall in love with men, sometimes women fall in love with other women and sometimes men fall in love with other men" and there you have a child who has a good chance of not being afraid to be what they want, or of what others are.

The more homosexuality/bisexuality is portrayed as normal, the more free people will feel to be themselves.

Modifié par Em23, 28 mai 2010 - 03:07 .

[Medhia Nox]

There is plenty of evidence shown on YouTube to state clearly that Bioware did a lot of work on same-sex possibilities. Ashley and Kaiden both have some work done in this aspect. Ashley moreso than Kaiden - but if I'm not mistaken there are some VERY specific comments Shepard makes that were recorded specifically for a gay male romance.



This has been gone over a million times.



The Shepard you see on the cover is "Canon Shepard" - I'm not sure why Bioware decided to make a RPG character "Canon" anything - but they did. Both games are extremely linear - you are not going to get a Fallout 3 from Bioware.



They've managed to get all the arrogance of Blizzard - with none of the insane amounts of success. ((And if you don't think Blizzard's arrogant - you've never read many of their responses that entail them telling their consumer base to hush up - we know what we're doing)).



I didn't buy Awakenings for Dragon Age - I won't be picking up ME 3 *shrugs* No big deal - so many games out there anyway. It isn't to hurt Bioware - they likely won't notice. It's so I can feel better about not wasting my money on something I don't believe in.



This whole gay issue - and their pitiful responses about it - was only one factor.

[FataliTensei]

slimgrin wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

There is plenty of evidence shown on YouTube to state clearly that Bioware did a lot of work on same-sex possibilities. Ashley and Kaiden both have some work done in this aspect. Ashley moreso than Kaiden - but if I'm not mistaken there are some VERY specific comments Shepard makes that were recorded specifically for a gay male romance.

This has been gone over a million times.

The Shepard you see on the cover is "Canon Shepard" - I'm not sure why Bioware decided to make a RPG character "Canon" anything - but they did. Both games are extremely linear - you are not going to get a Fallout 3 from Bioware.

They've managed to get all the arrogance of Blizzard - with none of the insane amounts of success. ((And if you don't think Blizzard's arrogant - you've never read many of their responses that entail them telling their consumer base to hush up - we know what we're doing)).

I didn't buy Awakenings for Dragon Age - I won't be picking up ME 3 *shrugs* No big deal - so many games out there anyway. It isn't to hurt Bioware - they likely won't notice. It's so I can feel better about not wasting my money on something I don't believe in.

This whole gay issue - and their pitiful responses about it - was only one factor.

I'm not sure I would call Bioware arrogant just yet. Try asking Capcom for a decent pc port of ANY of their games if you want to see arrogance.

I understand and accept Shepard is canon - still no reason he/she can't be gay.

I don't accept that shepard is canon, because there isn't supposed to be a canon in mass effect.

There is a default Shepard, not a canon Shepard.

[instantdeath999]

FataliTensei wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

There is plenty of evidence shown on YouTube to state clearly that Bioware did a lot of work on same-sex possibilities. Ashley and Kaiden both have some work done in this aspect. Ashley moreso than Kaiden - but if I'm not mistaken there are some VERY specific comments Shepard makes that were recorded specifically for a gay male romance.

This has been gone over a million times.

The Shepard you see on the cover is "Canon Shepard" - I'm not sure why Bioware decided to make a RPG character "Canon" anything - but they did. Both games are extremely linear - you are not going to get a Fallout 3 from Bioware.

They've managed to get all the arrogance of Blizzard - with none of the insane amounts of success. ((And if you don't think Blizzard's arrogant - you've never read many of their responses that entail them telling their consumer base to hush up - we know what we're doing)).

I didn't buy Awakenings for Dragon Age - I won't be picking up ME 3 *shrugs* No big deal - so many games out there anyway. It isn't to hurt Bioware - they likely won't notice. It's so I can feel better about not wasting my money on something I don't believe in.

This whole gay issue - and their pitiful responses about it - was only one factor.

I'm not sure I would call Bioware arrogant just yet. Try asking Capcom for a decent pc port of ANY of their games if you want to see arrogance.

I understand and accept Shepard is canon - still no reason he/she can't be gay.

I don't accept that shepard is canon, because there isn't supposed to be a canon in mass effect.

There is a default Shepard, not a canon Shepard.

Agreed with this.  Knights of the Old Republic has a canon, because it is part of a much larger story (star wars).  Mass Effect, on the other hand, has no canon; it's completely make your own adventure.  That's why the comics and novels take such care to not mention anything about Shepard. 

Taking the above in mind to the topic at hand, I definitely think it should be an option.  Dragon Age had it, and I didn't see many complaints (although I've never done the Zevran gay relationship, so I'm not sure how deep it goes).  Although, this is the third in the trilogy, and hardly seems the time to build up new romances, but hey, who knows.  I suppose Shepard coming out of the closet could be a nice twist .

No offense meant at all, by the way.  If Bioware can manage to put it in the game without making it seem like an afterthought, give it the same care that the normal romances have, than I'm all for it.  Of course, romance definitely isn't a reason I play the game, so I guess I'm not the right person to ask.

[Eddo36]

Charsen wrote...

the thing is, Eddo, they already put the work into making some characters available as same-sex LIs, they simply removed it. so your points about putting effort into something else is moot.

Oh they did? My bad then. They removed it because it's their game and they don't want it in, then. Okay. Don't see what the big deal is, people buy and play ME because they like it in general. If they don't like it, they don't have to play it. ME2 is still one of the top grossing games.

And about the person saying that I never have to live in a world where people pretend I don't exist... I don't think homosexuals are being ignored by the exclusion of same sex romance. Sorry you feel that way. And even if they are, no hate crimes are committed by BioWare. It's not like they made a feature in the game saying something hateful about homosexual relationships (even though they can, free speech and all). They simply aren't adding a romance option for it.

Anyways, I don't find it offensive that people boycott things they don't like. I only find it pretty downright pathetic when people go out of their way to keep on threatening it. It' like okay, you're going to boycott, we get the point, I wish best of luck to you, I need to save money by purchasing a second hand ME game in Gamestop anyways. I get more chance to find limited edition promos. I'm not calling anyone here pathetic, I'm just saying the action itself is.

Modifié par Eddo36, 28 mai 2010 - 08:31 .

[Eddo36]

FataliTensei wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

There is plenty of evidence shown on YouTube to state clearly that Bioware did a lot of work on same-sex possibilities. Ashley and Kaiden both have some work done in this aspect. Ashley moreso than Kaiden - but if I'm not mistaken there are some VERY specific comments Shepard makes that were recorded specifically for a gay male romance.

This has been gone over a million times.

The Shepard you see on the cover is "Canon Shepard" - I'm not sure why Bioware decided to make a RPG character "Canon" anything - but they did. Both games are extremely linear - you are not going to get a Fallout 3 from Bioware.

They've managed to get all the arrogance of Blizzard - with none of the insane amounts of success. ((And if you don't think Blizzard's arrogant - you've never read many of their responses that entail them telling their consumer base to hush up - we know what we're doing)).

I didn't buy Awakenings for Dragon Age - I won't be picking up ME 3 *shrugs* No big deal - so many games out there anyway. It isn't to hurt Bioware - they likely won't notice. It's so I can feel better about not wasting my money on something I don't believe in.

This whole gay issue - and their pitiful responses about it - was only one factor.

I'm not sure I would call Bioware arrogant just yet. Try asking Capcom for a decent pc port of ANY of their games if you want to see arrogance.

I understand and accept Shepard is canon - still no reason he/she can't be gay.

I don't accept that shepard is canon, because there isn't supposed to be a canon in mass effect.

There is a default Shepard, not a canon Shepard.

Once the movie comes out, there will be a canon Shepard.

[ElitePinecone]

Eddo36 wrote...
Once the movie comes out, there will be a canon Shepard.

Not necessarily. They've never even mentioned that Shepard will be featured in the film. It could be based on something entirely different in the Mass Effect universe. It's been Bioware policy in the past to make references to Shepard (in the novels and comics especially) extremely vague, so that 'canon' becomes whatever the player has decided it to be.

Putting this aside, this thread is not meant to be a debate about whether or not same-sex romances should be in any Bioware games - if you read the original post (300 odd pages ago) it is meant to be for people to talk about how they would like them implemented (i.e. the methods) if this were to happen. 

[Eddo36]

ORLY is that so? I take it you haven't looked at the main page of them saying to discuss who we want to be Shepard.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I don't recall anybody from Bioware doing that. Link?

[Eddo36]

masseffect.bioware.com



You're welcome.

[Massadonious1]

Mass Effect movie announced!

2010.05.25 | Posted by Evil Chris Priestly



We are very pleased to announce that Legendary Pictures, the studio behind such hits as The Dark Knight, 300, The Hangover and Watchmen, will be making a Mass Effect movie! Thomas Tull, Jon Jashni and Avai Arad will produce for Legendary while Ray Muzyka, Greg Zeschuck and Casey Hudson will be executive producers.



You can read more about the movie and discuss who you want to be Commander Shepard on the Mass Effect forums here: Mass Effect Movie discussion

It could just be for fostering discussion, but it's an awfully big coincidence.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I think Priestly is employed to run the site, since they haven't started anything in regards to the film you can take whatever he says as a grain of salt.

[LiquidGrape]

shayzdisplayname wrote...

I enjoy playing DA even though I do not believe in the sexual situations. It is a game not a porn site. I also believe there is no room in the game for pervisions like homosexual situations. If this does apper in the game I will take my money elsewhere.

You do realise that DA is chock-full with "perversions"?
So haven't you already spent your currency on such content?

[ElitePinecone]

Please don't respond to the trolls. It only encourages them.

[LiquidGrape]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Please don't respond to the trolls. It only encourages them.

I just like pointing out contradictions when I see them.