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[Eddo36]

Not really, most straight males love seeing lesbians in action. I am one.

[Christmas Ape]

Ah, apologies, I really didn't have a sense of just how much I had to lead you by the hand to conclusions that have been covered over the past two hundred and ninety four pages.



Because this is the inclusive 21st century.

Because opening your game to a wider user base - particularly a user base that often feels unaddressed or ridiculed by media - leads to both commercial success and word of mouth support.

Because there isn't a single strong argument against it other than "icky!".



If you feel I'm being dismissive, perhaps you shouldn't rely on arguments that beg to be dismissed as irrelevant.

[Mimaiselphenai]

http://social.biowar...3/index/2724848

[Eddo36]

So old conclusions trumph over new opinions by your logic. Didn't know everything was already settled and decided. My bad. And my arguments do seem relevant enough for you to post back, no?

"Because opening your game to a wider user base - particularly a user base that often feels unaddressed or ridiculed by media - leads to both commercial success and word of mouth support."

Yes since BioWare is a charity organization. I don't know why the domain name of this site is bioware.com and not bioware.org, but okay. And I'm sure commercial success has already been achieved.

Modifié par Eddo36, 28 mai 2010 - 04:14 .

[Christmas Ape]

I'm waiting for a new opinion. "No" isn't an opinion, it's a statement. Your continued dance to avoid making any kind of defense of that statement, via your opinion, suggests a certain uncertainty about it. Perhaps you haven't intellectually addressed it yourself, relying instead on your visceral reaction to the idea. Perhaps you have, and have determined that your personal discomfort is reason enough to deny other players buy-in to their role as Shepard. I don't live in your head, I can't know for certain.

Just because I clean the lint trap in the dryer doesn't mean I respect lint. I just think it's worthwhile to get rid of useless, dangerous crap.

And counter-edit: Your remarks regarding charity are a complete non sequitor, and I feel it highly unlikely anyone at EA or Bioware is saying "Mass Effect and the sequel sold exactly the right amount of copies. We need to prevent that number from getting any higher with Mass Effect 3!"

Modifié par Christmas Ape, 28 mai 2010 - 04:16 .

[Eddo36]

Perhaps you should stop making speculations of posters and concentrate on the issue being addressed without comparing them to "grade school logic" simply because they differ from yours?

[LiquidGrape]

Christmas Ape wrote...

If you feel I'm being dismissive, perhaps you shouldn't rely on arguments that beg to be dismissed as irrelevant.

Sorry, but I just can't resist addressing a good riposte.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 28 mai 2010 - 04:19 .

[Eddo36]

"And counter-edit: Your remarks regarding charity are a complete non sequitor, and I feel it highly unlikely anyone at EA or Bioware is saying "Mass Effect and the sequel sold exactly the right amount of copies. We need to prevent that number from getting any higher with Mass Effect 3!""



How about this, let's add a controversial element to the game to get other people to stop playing, and possibly banned from conservative countries.

[Eddo36]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

If you feel I'm being dismissive, perhaps you shouldn't rely on arguments that beg to be dismissed as irrelevant.

Sorry, but I just can't resist addressing a good riposte.

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Let's keep this mature, people.

[Christmas Ape]

Since I can't claim to speak for other people and you're having a great deal of trouble even speaking for yourself on this issue, I'll skip the weasel language of "other people" who might stop playing and address only the other half.



From which countries where Mass Effect 1 & 2 are already legally sold would the game be banned if same sex romance options were implemented? Import or decency statute codes would be appreciated, but at least some kind of hint you're not just pulling the list from thin air would be acceptable as well.

[LiquidGrape]

Oh, come on Eddo; have a sense of humour. It was meant as a tongue-in-cheek commendation of a legitimate point.
Your only real objection to the inclusion of male homosexuality seems to stem from a notion that this would somehow damage the revenue.
Which, if considering the success of Dragon Age: Origins, an original IP, seems a moot point.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 28 mai 2010 - 04:27 .

[Eddo36]

I don't see how I'm having any trouble speaking on this issue. Other that when someone else has to resort to personal attacks, it's hard to keep a good discussion going.



Doing research will tell you that Singapore initially banned ME1.

[Eddo36]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Oh, come on Eddo; have a sense of humour. It was meant as a tongue-in-cheek commendation of a legitimate point.
Your only real objection to the inclusion of male homosexuality seems to stem from a notion that this would somehow damage the revenue.
Which, if considering the success of Dragon Age: Origins, an original IP, seems a moot point.

And so is the success of Mass Effect without homosexual references. At least this is proven.

[Mimaiselphenai]

Hate to say it, but this thread is getting old. Nothing new is being brought to it. Just new ways to discuss the same thing that's been discussed a dozen times over in the last nearly 300 pages.



I'm just gonna come out and say what few have said already (for the sake of remaining "civil").



Anyone who's against same sex couplings in a VIDEO GAME, nevermind real life, is either too juvenile, too closed minded, too religious, or just a straight male who really needs to be more secure about their sexuality (and also juvenile). Or hell, all of the above. Plain and simple. Not one person here I can think of has expressed why they think it should be excluded other than the simple fact it makes THEM uneasy or that it isn't necessary, which is just another way of saying "it's gross and I don't like it." Gay people don't get disgusted by heterosexual romances in video games, so why not offer them the same courtesy?



And for everyone whose argument is that homosexuality is unnatural and wrong, how many people do you think would feel the same about a human engaging in a relationship with an alien? I doubt that stopped you from banging Liara (probably as a female Shepard at least once) or getting flirty with Tali just for gits and shiggles.



Basically what I'm trying to say is...





Grow the hell up, world.

[The Uncanny]

Mimaiselphenai wrote...

At this point, the thread is just going around in circles.

Indeed. Good, isn't it?

[Eddo36]

Mimaiselphenai wrote...

Anyone who's against same sex couplings in a VIDEO GAME, nevermind real life, is either too juvenile, too closed minded, too religious, or just a straight male who really needs to be more secure about their sexuality (and also juvenile). Or hell, all of the above. Plain and simple. Not one person here I can think of has expressed why they think it should be excluded other than the simple fact it makes THEM uneasy or that it isn't necessary, which is just another way of saying "it's gross and I don't like it." Gay people don't get disgusted by heterosexual romances in video games, so why not offer them the same courtesy?

Let's label as many people as we can because we don't agree with their opinions.

It's the same as a person saying that anyone who is FOR same sex couplings in a video game needs to get a boyfriend in real life. But no one is saying that.

Modifié par Eddo36, 28 mai 2010 - 04:35 .

[Mimaiselphenai]

Oh, and for the record, I'm 90.35675% sure Eddo36 is a troll.



At least, I'd hope so.

[LiquidGrape]

Eddo36 wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

Oh, come on Eddo; have a sense of humour. It was meant as a tongue-in-cheek commendation of a legitimate point.
Your only real objection to the inclusion of male homosexuality seems to stem from a notion that this would somehow damage the revenue.
Which, if considering the success of Dragon Age: Origins, an original IP, seems a moot point.

And so is the success of Mass Effect without homosexual references. At least this is proven.

Not sure I follow you.
Dragon Age had explicit references to both male and female homosexuality, yet it sold well despite being a new intellectual property.
Mass Effect has delved in sapphic eroticism and is already an established franchise.
ME3 is already something of a guaranteed financial success, considering the impact of ME2.

[Eddo36]

I mean Mass Effect sold very well despite the exclusion of homosexual references. Follow?

[SorenTrigg]

Eddo36 wrote...

How about this, let's add a controversial element to the game to get other people to stop playing, and possibly banned from conservative countries.

You do have to take Dragon Age into consideration here. It is a Bioware game. It had same sex romances of both types (nevermind that *both* ME1 and 2 had same sex interactions), so if you are worried about countries banning ME, just see if they banned Dragon Age.

[Eddo36]

Mimaiselphenai wrote...

Oh, and for the record, I'm 90.35675% sure Eddo36 is a troll.

At least, I'd hope so.

Yes because I make posts like what I'm quoting right now. Sure.

[SorenTrigg]

Eddo36 wrote...

I mean Mass Effect sold very well despite the exclusion of homosexual references. Follow?

Mass Effect (and 2) *had* homosexual romances. Both Liara and Kelly.

[Christmas Ape]

Eddo36 wrote...

I don't see how I'm having any trouble speaking on this issue. Other that when someone else has to resort to personal attacks, it's hard to keep a good discussion going.

Doing research will tell you that Singapore initially banned ME1.

You're posting a great many words, I'll certainly give you that, but you're not saying a damn thing. Your past several posts have purely aimed at the tone of the arguments you're receiving without really offering anything in support of their exclusion than 1,000,000% irrelevant information about Singapore's legal interaction with ME1, as the ban was then lifted and a rating put in place, completely invalidating claims that the game "won't be sold" in that country.

Is that your entire list of conservative countries which presently sell Mass Effect 1 & 2 but would ban an ME3 with same sex romance options; one country that is still selling the game with a "lesbian" romance option?

Can't I be just a little dismissive of such a mediocre non-starter argument?

[The Uncanny]

Eddo36 wrote...

I mean Mass Effect sold very well despite the exclusion of homosexual references. Follow?

I can sense the stale old can of worms I'm about to open here, but in for a penny...

*Cough* What about Liara?

[LiquidGrape]

Eddo36 wrote...

I mean Mass Effect sold very well despite the exclusion of homosexual references. Follow?

I do. Despite the fallacies. I still reason that it'll sell equally well with its full inclusion.
The reason I brought up DA is that it was a brand new property.
No previous installments, no prior experience of what it had to offer; yet it sold very well.
Then we've got Mass Effect. Established and impactful franchise.
- Do you really think its sales would be noticeably hampered by the option to engage in a homosexual relationship?

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 28 mai 2010 - 04:42 .