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[Eddo36]

Actually my last several posts were emphasized on defending myself from personal attacks after my points were all dismissed. That's all.



I also stated that Mass Effect sells already without the feature, and adding the feature is an unknown variable. That is why I feel the feature isn't needed and dev payroll time would be better spent on other things.

[Jestina]

I don't know why people are saying Kelly. She's not really a main person in the game, you don't take her with you anywhere and she's not a member of the team. Kelly probably won't even be in ME3 or will still just play a minor role.



They don't really count Liara since asari are mono-gendered.

[Mimaiselphenai]

Eddo36 wrote...



Let's label as many people as we can because we don't agree with their opinions.

It's the same as a person saying that anyone who is FOR same sex couplings in a video game needs to get a boyfriend in real life. But no one is saying that.

Give me a well thought out reason other than what I've mentioned to exclude same-sex romances from the game, then. Just one.

And no, it's not the same in the slightest. Your statement implies that anyone who wants to have a gay relationship in ME can't get laid. So does that apply to the heterosexual relationships in the game as well? So by your logic, anyone who completes a romance in the Mass Effect franchise is a single loser who'll never have a girl/boyfriend?

I was calling you a troll in hopes that you aren't as narrow minded and illogical as you make yourself out to be.

[Eddo36]

The Uncanny wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...

I mean Mass Effect sold very well despite the exclusion of homosexual references. Follow?

I can sense the stale old can of worms I'm about to open here, but in for a penny...

*Cough* What about Liara?

Liara has a thingie?

[Eddo36]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...

I mean Mass Effect sold very well despite the exclusion of homosexual references. Follow?

I do. Despite the fallacies. I still reason that it'll sell equally well with its full inclusion.
The reason I brought up DA is that it was a brand new property.
No previous installments, no prior experience of what it had to offer; yet it sold very well.
Then we've got Mass Effect. Established and impactful franchise.
- Do you really think its sales would be noticeably hampered by the option to engage in a homosexual relationship?

Sales might or might not be hampered by the option to engage in a homosexual relationship.

But sales will not be hampred by not having the option.

As I said, the latter is proven. The former is speculation.

[Mimaiselphenai]

Jestina wrote...

I don't know why people are saying Kelly. She's not really a main person in the game, you don't take her with you anywhere and she's not a member of the team. Kelly probably won't even be in ME3 or will still just play a minor role.

They don't really count Liara since asari are mono-gendered.

What does the person being a playable crew member have to do with the issue? Stop giving people excuses to overlook the obvious.

[Christmas Ape]

Eddo36 wrote...
Liara has a thingie?

<_<



Wait, what?

[Jestina]

It does, because Kelly is just there for decoration and not really a countable romance.

[Christmas Ape]

Eddo36 wrote...
Sales might or might not be hampered by the option to engage in a homosexual relationship.

But sales will not be hampred by not having the option.

As I said, the latter is proven. The former is speculation.

The latter is proven to be false in this thread.

Do try again a little harder.

[Mimaiselphenai]

Jestina wrote...

It does, because Kelly is just there for decoration and not really a countable romance.

Countable? So by that reasoning, there could be a gigantic naked gay orgy in the background spewing their love juices all over the place while Shepard is buying supplies in the Citadel, and it wouldn't count as homosexuality in a video game?

[Christmas Ape]

Mimaiselphenai wrote...

Jestina wrote...

It does, because Kelly is just there for decoration and not really a countable romance.

Countable? So by that reasoning, there could be a gigantic naked gay orgy in the background spewing their love juices all over the place while Shepard is buying supplies in the Citadel, and it wouldn't count as homosexuality in a video game?

Man, I'm on your side and that's a bit of a stretch.

[Eddo36]

Mimaiselphenai wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...



Let's label as many people as we can because we don't agree with their opinions.

It's the same as a person saying that anyone who is FOR same sex couplings in a video game needs to get a boyfriend in real life. But no one is saying that.

Give me a well thought out reason other than what I've mentioned to exclude same-sex romances from the game, then. Just one.

And no, it's not the same in the slightest. Your statement implies that anyone who wants to have a gay relationship in ME can't get laid. So does that apply to the heterosexual relationships in the game as well? So by your logic, anyone who completes a romance in the Mass Effect franchise is a single loser who'll never have a girl/boyfriend?

I was calling you a troll in hopes that you aren't as narrow minded and illogical as you make yourself out to be.

And I was hoping you aren't a forum flamer and a rule abider. Anyways, I was making an example of how I would sound like if I label others the same some other person does. The thing is, I don't.

And exclude homosexual romances because it will just make the game controversial and may result in less sales and put BioWare in the pinnacle of controversy and target of conservative organizations, which may have a negative affect on future game production by this great company. That's one.

[Eddo36]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...
Sales might or might not be hampered by the option to engage in a homosexual relationship.

But sales will not be hampred by not having the option.

As I said, the latter is proven. The former is speculation.

The latter is proven to be false in this thread.

Do try again a little harder.

Is it too much to ask to be more specific?

[FourSixEight]

My only concern with the idea is how BioWare would want to handle it. As I recall, Thane and Tali were supposed to swing both ways, but the thing about introducing homosexual romance in either ME3 or beyond is, either they need to add a new character, one that's gay or bi, and not have his/her sexuality be the only thing that stands out about them, or retcon an old character, and the latter of which might annoy some fans.

BioWare's good at characterization, though. If they wanted to introduce, say, a gay squadmate or whatever I'm sure they could do it. It'd be the fan fallout that'd be hard to deal with.

[The Uncanny]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...
Liara has a thingie?

<_<



Wait, what?

Ditto.

[Jestina]

If Kelly were countable she'd have been in my characters room at the end instead of my character gazing at the picture of Liara.



An actual same sex relationship would be being able to romance one of the main characters...like say a female Shepard having the option to go after Jack.

[Eddo36]

FourSixEight wrote...

My only concern with the idea is how BioWare would want to handle it. As I recall, Thane and Tali were supposed to swing both ways, but the thing about introducing homosexual romance in either ME3 or beyond is, either they need to add a new character, one that's gay or bi, and not have his/her sexuality be the only thing that stands out about them, or retcon an old character, and the latter of which might annoy some fans.

BioWare's good at characterization, though. If they wanted to introduce, say, a gay squadmate or whatever I'm sure they could do it. It'd be the fan fallout that'd be hard to deal with.

The thing is, they handled it already. They excluded it.

[Mimaiselphenai]

Eddo36 wrote...


And I was hoping you aren't a forum flamer and a rule abider. Anyways, I was making an example of how I would sound like if I label others the same some other person does. The thing is, I don't.

And exclude homosexual romances because it will just make the game controversial and may result in less sales and put BioWare in the pinnacle of controversy and target of conservative organizations, which may have a negative affect on future game production by this great company. That's one.

As has been said more than a dozen times previously in the thread when people brought up the exact same "argument," Dragon Age.

And for the record, implying that anyone who wants gay romance in ME can't get a date is obnoxiously illogical considering the fact there's already romance in the game regardless of orientation, whereas stating that someone who's against homosexuality is a closed minded juvenile (in mind, not actual age) is largely accurate.

[Christmas Ape]

Wouldn't have to be that much of a retcon, really; I think the number of people split right down the middle of the Kinsey scale is exceedingly few and that's not accounting for a population-limited culture, as seen in the quarians and drell. Maybe it just took them more time to come around to a same-sex Shepard because they have inclinations, but not to the same degree. Maybe a male Shepard is just even more of the "dashing commander" angle that Tali goes for, but after two impossible missions against overwhelming odds she's bonded enough with a FemShep to see her in another light.



Layers, man, layers.

[FourSixEight]

Eddo36 wrote...

FourSixEight wrote...

My only concern with the idea is how BioWare would want to handle it. As I recall, Thane and Tali were supposed to swing both ways, but the thing about introducing homosexual romance in either ME3 or beyond is, either they need to add a new character, one that's gay or bi, and not have his/her sexuality be the only thing that stands out about them, or retcon an old character, and the latter of which might annoy some fans.

BioWare's good at characterization, though. If they wanted to introduce, say, a gay squadmate or whatever I'm sure they could do it. It'd be the fan fallout that'd be hard to deal with.

The thing is, they handled it already. They excluded it.

That was the missing code, correct? They wanted Ashley/Kaidan to be bi but they wanted the game out by November?

And bear in mind at the time that they were in a bit of hot water over the romance scene scandal thing. Maybe, and this will sound callous, they simply didn't want to invite more controversy over to tea until the media was fine with how Mass Effect rolled.

But there wasn't any controversy over ME2's content, not really. Things are in place for Bioware to possibly include same-sex romance, if they wanted to.

[Mimaiselphenai]

Jestina wrote...

If Kelly were countable she'd have been in my characters room at the end instead of my character gazing at the picture of Liara.

An actual same sex relationship would be being able to romance one of the main characters...like say a female Shepard having the option to go after Jack.

That has nothing to do with anything. The fact of the matter is Kelly is FEMALE, and a FEMALE Shepard is able to get "friendly" with her, meaning the inclusion of true same sex romances among squadmates isn't a stretch at all. I don't get what point you're trying to make.

Kelly isn't a "countable" squadmember, so she can't be used as a point of reference. Are we in court or something?

THE JURY WILL DISMISS THE EXISTENCE OF KELLY CHAMBERS

Modifié par Mimaiselphenai, 28 mai 2010 - 04:58 .

[Eddo36]

So you say that people who are against homosexuality are juvenile because they're too young to know what sex is? Hm.



And what I've said I'll say it again. Devs time are better spent on other things.

[Eddo36]

FourSixEight wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...

FourSixEight wrote...

My only concern with the idea is how BioWare would want to handle it. As I recall, Thane and Tali were supposed to swing both ways, but the thing about introducing homosexual romance in either ME3 or beyond is, either they need to add a new character, one that's gay or bi, and not have his/her sexuality be the only thing that stands out about them, or retcon an old character, and the latter of which might annoy some fans.

BioWare's good at characterization, though. If they wanted to introduce, say, a gay squadmate or whatever I'm sure they could do it. It'd be the fan fallout that'd be hard to deal with.

The thing is, they handled it already. They excluded it.

That was the missing code, correct? They wanted Ashley/Kaidan to be bi but they wanted the game out by November?

And bear in mind at the time that they were in a bit of hot water over the romance scene scandal thing. Maybe, and this will sound callous, they simply didn't want to invite more controversy over to tea until the media was fine with how Mass Effect rolled.

But there wasn't any controversy over ME2's content, not really. Things are in place for Bioware to possibly include same-sex romance, if they wanted to.

No, funny thing is it was already developed and included. They just blocked it.

[spacehamsterZH]

LiquidGrape wrote...

spacehamsterZH wrote...
So basically you're saying you'll boycot the game if all the characters are straight?

Awesome. What are we going to call that now, "reverse homophobia"? "Heterophobia"?

Either way, thanks for making my day.

I believe you're making rash and shallow assumptions.
What I'm saying is that I'd be willing to boycott ME3 should BioWare choose once more to ignore what is a well-known and widely advocated issue.
That lucid enough?

I'm not making rash and shallow assumptions. I'm intentionally twisting your words a little to show you what you might as well be saying. I'm sorry, but it really is my honest, considered opinion that boycotting a game because there's no homosexuality in it is basically the same thing as boycotting it because it does contain homosexuality, and I think both are retarded.

If I understand you correctly, you're basically saying it's different because a lot of people are asking for it to be included in ME3 and Bioware would clearly be ignoring them if it wasn't, but people on this board are asking for a whole lot of other things as well, and I'm going to go ahead and say I don't think this issue is "special" because I don't give two sh*ts about sexual orientation either way. It's just one of an infinite number of traits a character may or may not have, and not a terribly important one.

[Justoned]

Lol, this topic makes me laugh. I like to stick with the whole, "If you don't want a gay relationship in the game, don't have it." No one is forcing you to romance another male (Say, Zevran from Dragon Age), or any other member of your party for that matter.



BioWare makes great games -- and at that, ROLEplaying games -- ones that are renown for allowing the main character to advance plots and divulge their history through choices made throughout the game. This is no different.



But like I said.. "Don't like it? Don't have it."