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[Cat Lance]

SirWalliss wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

If the creators of the game are not gay, why would you gays want to force them to make gay scenes with the character they created?

Because they already did with women. There is gay content all over the games already.

They did what with women?  There is gay content all over the games already?  Maybe the creators didnt mind making fem/fem scenes?  You cant force them to do somthing they obviously are not comfortable doing.  If you want it so bad go make your own game with all the gay scenes you want.

Please don't put words into the devs mouths, especially if your saying things like "they aren't comfortable[with homosexuality]" or anything of the sort. I sincerely doubt they appreciate that.

[FataliTensei]

SirWalliss wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

If the creators of the game are not gay, why would you gays want to force them to make gay scenes with the character they created?

Because they already did with women. There is gay content all over the games already.

They did what with women?  There is gay content all over the games already?  Maybe the creators didnt mind making fem/fem scenes?  You cant force them to do somthing they obviously are not comfortable doing.  If you want it so bad go make your own game with all the gay scenes you want.

Please keep discussion civil and well thought out with actual reasons

[Erode_The_Soul]

Fantastic! The thread is finally up! Once again showing full support for the inclusion of an option for homosexual romances in ME3

[Lightice_av]

I don't really agree with female Shepard being gay either but if I had to guess, the reason for that would be that the role the player is playing in the game is a masculine one. It is far more believable that the main character be a female that is into women than it is for it to be a man into other men.

Because women cannot be independent action heroes unless they're gay. Riight....

And seriously, it's in no way unbelievable that a gay man could be an action hero. Ask Captain Jack Harkness.

[Felinu]

Well, you have my support. Seems silly that it isn't included, honestly.



I'm also really likeing the "love interest" convo options being color coded.

I ended up at one point where it looked like every option I had for Garrus was some version of "come sleep with me" and I ended up just not talking to him for the rest of game to avoid it. (I was trying to "stay true" to Kaidan at the time) :-\\

[King Gigglez]

I support this thread 101% i like the idea of this, id like to have a possible relationship with garrus (no im not gay... just puting that up here) without haveing to play as a female, and i know alot of people would like to have the same option as long as other characters as well... So come lets go thread! lol

[tmelange]

I really do find it to be...strange that this issue has such a large component of pandering to discrimination in trying to figure out a way to appease those people who will "allow" there to be m/m as long as they never have to be confronted with it. I wouldn't want m/m in game if it had to be handled like it was some sort of inferior, secret option. After all, in real life you are faced with lots of situations that you may not be comfortable with: a person you think is ugly might decide to hit on you; your boss might make inappropriate advances; someone who smokes or hates dogs might decide you are the love of their life. You deal with it. It's not something you're entitled to not ever have to face. (It could be argued that the only way to overcome prejudices and irrational fears is to face them head on.)

I wish there was an option to discuss this topic (not to make demands on Bioware; they will do whatever they want) from a different perspective. Not "let's find a suitably debasing way that we can all get along." There is a line that should be drawn, not because of a disinclination to compromise, but because the core issue is not something that should be compromised. A hard line is taken in the case of discrimination (race, religion, e.g, how the ADL operates or the NAACP) because it's too easy to implement a "solution" that makes the situation worse (e.g. separate but equal).

Again, BW is going to take whatever stance with regard to male Shep as suits their bottom line. I would never argue that they are required to cater to my particular interest. However, the discussion of that interest is legitimate, as are all the parameters surrounding that interest, and if BW were to ever take a look, it might decide it worth its while to accommodate. But the discussion of ways in which to appease the phobic masses, and systems that can be implemented to make sure no uninterested party is tainted by some metaphysical gay cooties, seem to me to be counterproductive to the greater issue. Surely, BW didn't choose not to implement m/m because they couldn't figure out a way to hide it. If they choose to go in that direction again, they should do so proudly, and likely will, as they did in DA:O.

Anyway, I just think parts of this discussion should be somewhat redirected. :shrug:

Modifié par tmelange, 26 février 2010 - 02:47 .

[Ninja Mage]

danman2424 wrote...

I don't support gay sex in ME. Ray Mazuka gave the perfect explanation. The character is a known commodity, he is all over the advertisements for the game, and shots of him engaging in homosexual behavior would largely cause the character to be seen as comical. i know that's not what the creators of this thread would like to hear, but that is the case nevertheless.

I also think there are too many people out there with all sorts of preferences and for them all to complain about not being catered to is a little ridiculous. The game is the way it is, and the game is great. You are not owed anything. No one is owed anything.

Please Read the Faq Discussing Ray Muzkya's interview. The game is presented in a way to allow options, so limiting them in a pre-defined way doesn't make sense

[Cat Lance]

Felinu wrote...

I'm also really likeing the "love interest" convo options being color coded.
I ended up at one point where it looked like every option I had for Garrus was some version of "come sleep with me" and I ended up just not talking to him for the rest of game to avoid it. (I was trying to "stay true" to Kaidan at the time) :-\\

Oh, I'd like to also second that particular option, I forgot to say that when I supported the sexuality at creation/import choice.

Because I activated the Kaiden romance in my ME1 game and just seriously got so upset because I couldn't figure out how to turn it off. I tried picking what should have been the "mean" responces and Hale STILL sounded all flirtatious! >.<

Modifié par Cat Lance, 26 février 2010 - 02:50 .

[PyroFreak301]

danman2424 wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

I don't support gay sex in ME. Ray Mazuka gave the perfect explanation. The character is a known commodity, he is all over the advertisements for the game, and shots of him engaging in homosexual behavior would largely cause the character to be seen as comical. i know that's not what the creators of this thread would like to hear, but that is the case nevertheless.

You do realize that you already get shots of him engaged in homosexual activity all over YouTube? Ray Muzuka clearly failed to remember that "he" can already be a "she", as well as lesbian.

You have to go through quite a few hoops to get male on top of male in ME1. I've seen modders do similar things in all types of games to put serious characters in a humorous light, however that is not even close to the amount of people that would come across that content had it been in the actual game. I'd wager a large portion of people would look at the homosexual dialogue option and choose it just for a pure laugh. Have friends over playing it and asking "what does THAT option do?". It wouldn't take long at all for the character of Shepard to become a running joke amongst fans and casual observers.

I'd wager the majority simply wouldn't pick the option when presented with it, and not think about it again. If on repeated playthroughs and they did pick it for the lulz, chances are they wouldn't be playing "their" Shepard. Using DA:O as an example, my first 2 playthroughs I played as straight Couslands, both played how I wanted my characters to be played. On playthoughs after that I started selecting options I wouldn't normally, gay Zevran romance included. You can guess which were the characters I took seriously and those I played just for fun.

But here's the thing. The gay options were available even on my 'canon' playthroughs, I just skipped them and thought nothing more of them. Did it make me take my character any less seriously? Of course not, that would be stupid to obsess over that.

Modifié par PyroFreak301, 26 février 2010 - 02:55 .

[DaeJi]

Felinu wrote...
I ended up at one point where it looked like every option I had for Garrus was some version of "come sleep with me" and I ended up just not talking to him for the rest of game to avoid it. (I was trying to "stay true" to Kaidan at the time) :-\\\\

A touch of advice; when talking to Garrus, select the "let's work off stress" and choose the bottom option. No romance, and that aveune is closed.

[Dr. Burpenstien]

Personally, I don't care if you are gay or straight, I'm straight, but I am not a homophobe.
I think you guys at the very least should have your voices heard by Bioware, if you don't get same-sex LIs in ME3 then oh well. Debates such as these should not need a second thread just to get out of the steaming pile of crap that is young childrens' and ignorant morons' hate towards a group that they have only seen hate towards.
Good for you guys, and gals.

[FlyinElk212]

I would just like to make a quick post to everyone who supports this forum. I believe it is a very important message that gets lost in the huge opening post of this thread:

It is absolutely imperative that all supporters of a same sex relationship remain 100 civil, no matter what the situation may be. The point of this thread isn't to start fights with those that disagree. It's to showcase our argument as to why this matter should be addressed by Bioware.

Fighting with those that disagree is only hurting the cause. Not only does it make us look like aggressive whiners, but it makes our overall argument lose validity when the supporters can't respond to a negative post intelligently and without the same negativity.

So no matter what, no matter how hurtful, no matter how much a post makes you angry, please do not respond with snark. We must be better than those who resort to bashing a good cause. If you can't respond to any negative post civilly, then simply ignore it.

[Erode_The_Soul]

tmelange wrote...
But the discussion of ways in which to appease the phobic masses, and
systems that can be implemented to make sure no uninterested party is
tainted by some metaphysical gay cooties, seem to me to be
counterproductive to the greater issue. Surely, BW didn't choose not to
implement m/m because they couldn't figure out a way to hide it. If
they choose to go in that direction again, they should do so proudly,
and likely will, as they did in DA:O.

I don't think these solutions are meant to make the situation worse, but we have to accept that there has to be compromises made if they were to implement these options in this particular series. Personally, I don't understand how the options could offend someone but it is quite obvious that they do. This crowd is a bit more....sensitive? for lack of a better word, than the crowd of DA, it seems, and as such, bigger concessions will have to be made.

The proposed solutions aren't meant to be "pandering to the phobic masses" but rather to provide an adequate, though not preferred, solution that would allow the options to be included while not alienating the consumer base.

[Yeled]

Let's be careful to not argue with the anti-gay crowd this time around, ok? The OP clearly stated that this thread wasn't meant to turn into another ugly debate. I'm all for dialogue that is respectful, but try not to feed the trolls. Keep this thread clean.

[FataliTensei]

Dr. Burpenstien wrote...

Personally, I don't care if you are gay or straight, I'm straight, but I am not a homophobe.
I think you guys at the very least should have your voices heard by Bioware, if you don't get same-sex LIs in ME3 then oh well. Debates such as these should not need a second thread just to get out of the steaming pile of crap that is young childrens' and ignorant morons' hate towards a group that they have only seen hate towards.
Good for you guys, and gals.

Thank you for your support

You get a row of happy smilies:

[Ryzaki]

Yeled wrote...

Let's be careful to not argue with the anti-gay crowd this time around, ok? The OP clearly stated that this thread wasn't meant to turn into another ugly debate. I'm all for dialogue that is respectful, but try not to feed the trolls. Keep this thread clean.

In total agreement.

So anyone have any more ideas for implementing gay romances in the game? 

[Mr DeMartino]

I'm just posting here to throw my support as well. I saw it mentioned in another topic about the idea of a Director's Cut with the bi Ash/Kaidan/Tali content being reinserted into the game. I think it's a great idea and could be used by Bioware to add in other portions they may have cut or run out of time for (and of course DLC, planets, etc.). Hell, in the first game they could throw in ME2 character cameos like Mordin at Dr. Michel's clinic or Jacob in Chora's Den.



With all the new content it won't simply be "Mass Effect: A Little Bit Gayer". If it's released halfway between now and ME3 it could be used as the perfect marketing promo for 3 and could even contain exclusive items for the new Dragon Age. By that point it'll mostly be the true Bioware fans playing it, and they for the most part already know how the optional same-sex romances work and there would generally be less of a fuss. Best of all for Bioware, it's about as taxing to create as a DLC pack and something most of us (I think) would buy.

[ronniej69]

I love the same sex scenes in Dargon age orgins. Wish we could have more of it. Am gay and love it.

Modifié par ronniej69, 26 février 2010 - 03:01 .

[ronniej69]

I love the same sex scenes in Dargon age orgins. Wish we could have more of it. Am gay and love it.

[Yeled]

I agree with you, tmelange. That's why I support color coded romance options. They aren't to keep you from clicking on m/m relationships. They prevent you from clicking any relationship you don't want to engage in.

[danman2424]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

I don't support gay sex in ME. Ray Mazuka gave the perfect explanation. The character is a known commodity, he is all over the advertisements for the game, and shots of him engaging in homosexual behavior would largely cause the character to be seen as comical. i know that's not what the creators of this thread would like to hear, but that is the case nevertheless.

You do realize that you already get shots of him engaged in homosexual activity all over YouTube? Ray Muzuka clearly failed to remember that "he" can already be a "she", as well as lesbian.

You have to go through quite a few hoops to get male on top of male in ME1. I've seen modders do similar things in all types of games to put serious characters in a humorous light, however that is not even close to the amount of people that would come across that content had it been in the actual game. I'd wager a large portion of people would look at the homosexual dialogue option and choose it just for a pure laugh. Have friends over playing it and asking "what does THAT option do?". It wouldn't take long at all for the character of Shepard to become a running joke amongst fans and casual observers.

I'd wager the majority simply wouldn't pick the option when presented with it, and not think about it again. If on repeated playthroughs and they did pick it for the lulz, chances are they wouldn't be playing "their" Shepard. Using DA:O as an example, my first 2 playthroughs I played as straight Couslands, both played how I wanted my characters to be played. On playthoughs after that I started selecting options I wouldn't normally, gay Zevran romance included, you can guess which were the characters I took seriously and those I played just for fun.

But here's the thing. The gay options were available even on my 'canon' playthroughs, I just skipped them and thought nothing more of them. Did it make me take my character any less seriously? Of course not, that would be stupid to obsess over that.

Most people don't take games as seriously as you appear to. I doubt the majority is worried about "Their" Shepard as you call it nor would they ignore such options just because that would be the "mature" thing to do.

Any way you swing it, everyone would be exposed to it on some level, rather than the relatively few that modded the original version on PC for similar results. Many would come across it, and many would see the game as comical upon experiencing it.

Modifié par danman2424, 26 février 2010 - 03:00 .

[FataliTensei]

Mr DeMartino wrote...

I'm just posting here to throw my support as well. I saw it mentioned in another topic about the idea of a Director's Cut with the bi Ash/Kaidan/Tali content being reinserted into the game. I think it's a great idea and could be used by Bioware to add in other portions they may have cut or run out of time for (and of course DLC, planets, etc.). Hell, in the first game they could throw in ME2 character cameos like Mordin at Dr. Michel's clinic or Jacob in Chora's Den.

With all the new content it won't simply be "Mass Effect: A Little Bit Gayer". If it's released halfway between now and ME3 it could be used as the perfect marketing promo for 3 and could even contain exclusive items for the new Dragon Age. By that point it'll mostly be the true Bioware fans playing it, and they for the most part already know how the optional same-sex romances work and there would generally be less of a fuss. Best of all for Bioware, it's about as taxing to create as a DLC pack and something most of us (I think) would buy.

I'd buy a director's cut

[Ryzaki]

danman2424 wrote...

Most people don't take games as seriously as you appear to. I doubt the majority is worried about "Their" Shepard as you call it nor would they ignore such options just because that would be the "mature" thing to do.

Any way you swing it, Everyone would be exposed to it on some level, rather than the relatively few that modded the original version on PC for similar results. Many would come across it, and many would see the game as comical upon experiencing it.

Judging by what you just said they might be taking the game too seriously. Tis a GAME. One must never forget that. Those people in the game, their emotions are programs and scripts. Not real. I.E. Shepard does not exist. He is a program that is all.

Not to say games can't ellict emotions but one should know where to draw the line.

And if a gay romance makes the game comical that...would be odd. I never found Sky's expression of his feelings comical. (I did however have a fangirl gasm and woke up my sister at 2 in the morning with a squeal.) So yeah...depends on the person. You can't speak for everyone. You can only speak for yourself.

I find the fact that nearly every female on the ship wants to sleep with M!Shep comical. Doesn't mean everyone else does. Wow. He's such a stud that every attractive female seems to want to bone him. Pfft. Typical fantasy.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 février 2010 - 03:05 .

[tmelange]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

tmelange wrote...
But the discussion of ways in which to appease the phobic masses, and
systems that can be implemented to make sure no uninterested party is
tainted by some metaphysical gay cooties, seem to me to be
counterproductive to the greater issue. Surely, BW didn't choose not to
implement m/m because they couldn't figure out a way to hide it. If
they choose to go in that direction again, they should do so proudly,
and likely will, as they did in DA:O.

I don't think these solutions are meant to make the situation worse, but we have to accept that there has to be compromises made if they were to implement these options in this particular series. Personally, I don't understand how the options could offend someone but it is quite obvious that they do. This crowd is a bit more....sensitive? for lack of a better word, than the crowd of DA, it seems, and as such, bigger concessions will have to be made.

The proposed solutions aren't meant to be "pandering to the phobic masses" but rather to provide an adequate, though not preferred, solution that would allow the options to be included while not alienating the consumer base.

I think that it's an erroneous assumption to suppose that BW didn't implement, or wouldn't implement, an m/m option because they couldn't figure out a way to do it. The thing about discrimination and phobic behavior is that nothing is ever enough. You can color code options and a good percentage of the masses will still cry bloody murder. There is no middle ground to be found when people hate you or what you are for reasons that allow freedom for them and less freedom for you.