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[PyroFreak301]

danman2424 wrote...
I already gave a perfectly valid explanation for why paying a voice actor to re-record dialogue "but this time act a little less shy when you say it" was probably not on the top of their priority list.

Your "perfectly valid explanation" is just your self-serving speculation. You might be right, you might be wrong, but without knowing for certain, you can't use it as an arguement either way.

Aside from that, being the male love interest, she is likely to come across that way to females or people playing female Shepards. A lot of people strongly disliked Kaidan due to the longing stares and overall "gay" vibe he put off on people playing male Shepards. Unbeknownst to the them, Kaidan was not gay, but he was meant to be the love interest for female Shepards, and thus, his demeanor comes off as someone that is looking at Shepard as a potential partner. It was strange for male characters to speak to him, but to female characters he was acting perfectly fine. Same thing for female Shepards and characters like Tali.

Unbeknownst to you, Kaiden was secretly bisexual, initially planned as a love interest for both FSheps and MSheps (theres certainly the evidence to back this up). They did not see the need to rewrite this so they left it in-game as it was, and gay players picked up on this obvious chemistry that the writers included and were dissapointed when it didn't lead anywhere. For gay players playing MShep, he was also acting perfectly fine. Your view of it being 'strange' doesn't make it strange. It just means you were less than comfortable with it.

[jlb524]

Retconning doesn't bother me if they're just allowing more Shepards to romance characters. They're not changing the character's personality or their backstory.



Bad retconning would be completely changing a character (ex: give Jack hair, remove her tattoos, and turn her into a giggly girly-girl) or changing the story in a significant way (retcon the ending by having Shepard die in the suicide mission no matter what).



The romances are a fun little extra they add on and do not affect the story or the universe at all...why not open these up to more players?

[Ryzaki]

Collider wrote...

Hmm, well I remembered incorrectly then. Still doesn't matter. Doesn't seem to be a retcon to me. And most importantly, it has no bearing whatsoever in the discussion about changing character's romances through DLC or patching.

The technology already existed within the Geth ranks. The thermal clips that are used now are just derivative of what the Geth already used.

...and now you're in denial. Its a retcon. I'm sorry its a retcon. So if you have a problem with retcons in general do try to be across the board. Where would the colonists gotten the technology from? The Geth decided to home deliever thermal clips now? 

...Uh there were no thermal clips when I was fighting the Geth in ME1. So what  they magically appeared now? 
Its a Recton. But it made the game more fun. Just like a S/S DLC would be for some people only difference is the retcon wouldn't be forced on all players.

Edit: Even if the Geth had them NONE of the Geth Shepard fought had them so its a moot point.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 février 2010 - 12:40 .

[danman2424]

Ryzaki wrote...

Collider wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Its a retcon.

A retcon is retroactive. The ammo clips are a new technology that is invented and implemented during the two years that Shepard is out.

The fact that Shep knows about it when he's been out for 2 years makes it so. He speaks as though using them are normal. He didn't use them in the last game. So why would he be completely used to the system?

No, actually Miranda introduces the ammo clips to him when he wakes up in the Cerberus research facility.

Uh No. Vid: 

Shep says: "This pistol doesn't have a thermal clip". go to 8: 36

Uh...how does he even know about themal clips? 

RETCON!

Not to mention the isolated colonists using them. Were the hell did they get them from? 

But it made the game more enjoyable so most didn't have a problem with it. I feel the same way about S/S romance DLC.

Shepard didn't die immediately after ME1. Thermal clips could've been around beforehand.

[Ryzaki]

danman2424 wrote...


Shepard didn't die immediately after ME1. Thermal clips could've been around beforehand.

Not necessarily. That's a leap of logic. Unless that technlogy developed and was standard issue within the span of a month (thanks for the correction)  then No they wouldn't have been around beforehand.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 février 2010 - 12:39 .

[jlb524]

danman2424 wrote...

Shepard didn't die immediately after ME1. Thermal clips could've been around beforehand.

One month isn't a lot of time...

[danman2424]

Ryzaki wrote...

danman2424 wrote...


Shepard didn't die immediately after ME1. Thermal clips could've been around beforehand.

Not necessarily. That's a leap of logic. Unless that technlogy developed and was standard issue within the span of a month (thanks for the correction)  then No they wouldn't have been around beforehand.

Well apparently they were. Because he knows about them. They also wouldn't have had to be standard issue for the man flying around in the most advanced ship in the galaxy to have become familiar with them.

Modifié par danman2424, 27 février 2010 - 12:43 .

[Ryzaki]

danman2424 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

danman2424 wrote...


Shepard didn't die immediately after ME1. Thermal clips could've been around beforehand.

Not necessarily. That's a leap of logic. Unless that technlogy developed and was standard issue within the span of a month (thanks for the correction)  then No they wouldn't have been around beforehand.

Well apparently they were. Because he knows about them. They also wouldn't have had to be standard issue for the man flying the around in the most advanced ship in the galaxy to have become familiar with them.

Or it could be you know. A Retcon.

[Jimmy Fury]

Actually collider in terms of logical thinking you can argue something that isn't true and your argument can still be valid. It's just not sound. The difference being that an argument is considered valid if it is true in regard to the premises established. Your example of the moon is a valid argument.
Sound arguments are those that are true in regard to premises that are also true. So the moon argument isn't a sound one.


OI! and we've gotten a bit off topic. This thread is about same sex romances not thermal clips or the definitions of argumentative logic

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 27 février 2010 - 12:45 .

[Ryzaki]

I don't get this whole retcon = EBUL attitude going on in here. Thermal clips made the game a lot more fun for many people.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 février 2010 - 12:46 .

[danman2424]

Ryzaki wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

danman2424 wrote...


Shepard didn't die immediately after ME1. Thermal clips could've been around beforehand.

Not necessarily. That's a leap of logic. Unless that technlogy developed and was standard issue within the span of a month (thanks for the correction)  then No they wouldn't have been around beforehand.

Well apparently they were. Because he knows about them. They also wouldn't have had to be standard issue for the man flying the around in the most advanced ship in the galaxy to have become familiar with them.

Or it could be you know. A Retcon.

No. A retcon would've been if Shepard had died immediately at the end of ME1 and then knew about the clips at the beginning of ME2.

[Ryzaki]

danman2424 wrote...


No. A retcon would've been if Shepard had died immediately at the end of ME1 and then knew about the clips at the beginning of ME2.

Right because it takes a weapon type nearly one month to be standard issue in the military amirite? <_<

Its a Retcon. The world isn't going to blow up.

You know what? Thermal clips =/= retcon means same sex DLC making certain characters bi =/= retcon.

Right you know what that time Shepard was dead and after FemShep saved Tali's father's reputation she spent some time thinking about how she was attracted to FemShep. That's perfectly logical too you know! 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 février 2010 - 12:56 .

[DaeJi]

Ryzaki wrote...

I don't get this whole retcon = EBUL attitude going on in here. Thermal clips made the game a lot more fun for many people.

I still contend that a same sex romance DLC would not be a retcon since Mass Effect 2 is unfinished. Even if it were though, fun still wins out and it wouldn't break the story. Plus, it being optional means that only those who want it would have it while thoses who do not will have nothing changed.

[SirWalliss]

I'd really enjoy having a romances with a female Asari with a disability, preferably a twisted foot or somthing maybe so it just kinda like curls inward and back a little. Think I could get that implimented as well? Afterall it's my preference.

[Ninja Mage]

You're slaying em left and right Ryzaki...

[Ryzaki]

DaeJi wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I don't get this whole retcon = EBUL attitude going on in here. Thermal clips made the game a lot more fun for many people.

I still contend that a same sex romance DLC would not be a retcon since Mass Effect 2 is unfinished. Even if it were though, fun still wins out and it wouldn't break the story. Plus, it being optional means that only those who want it would have it while thoses who do not will have nothing changed.

This too. That whole retcon is just a bunch of BS at this point.

[Ninja Mage]

And turning Thane bisexual wouldn't really be that much of an issue to me, because he was originally written as bisexual. It's not a retcon if he was bisexual the whole game, but the development team just didn't type in that line of code for him to actually flirt with male shepard. So in essence it's not retconning, it's turning a character back to what they originally were

[PyroFreak301]

Ryzaki wrote...

danman2424 wrote...


No. A retcon would've been if Shepard had died immediately at the end of ME1 and then knew about the clips at the beginning of ME2.

Right because it takes a weapon type nearly one month to be standard issue in the military amirite? <_<

Its a Retcon. The world isn't going to blow up.

A far less efficient military standard issue if you don't take gameplay into consideration.

Near unlimited ammo > very finite ammo in logisitical terms. It's a retcon that doesn't even make sense outside of gameplay. What were they thinking?!

[Ninja Mage]

I didn't like the thermal clips either. I never used the shotgun and I was vanguard because there was never ammo for it

[Ryzaki]

SirWalliss wrote...

Ryzaki do you have nice feet? Or by chance is one a little off?

[Ninja Mage]

SirWalliss wrote...

Ryzaki do you have nice feet? Or by chance is one a little off?

You look fabulous sir...maybe more lipstick next time

[DaeJi]

One warning; ignore and report trolls, do not respond to them.

[danman2424]

Ryzaki wrote...

danman2424 wrote...


No. A retcon would've been if Shepard had died immediately at the end of ME1 and then knew about the clips at the beginning of ME2.

Right because it takes a weapon type nearly one month to be standard issue in the military amirite? <_<

Its a Retcon. The world isn't going to blow up.

You know what? Thermal clips =/= retcon means same sex DLC making certain characters bi =/= retcon.

Uh like I said, it wouldnt have to be standard issue for someone like Shepard to get a hold of it. The developers allowed a window of a few months before Shepard's death, presumably to allow for developments like the thermal clip.

[jlb524]

The biotics were 'retconned' as well. Now all of a sudden you can't lift someone with a mass effect field b/c they have a kinetic barrier or they're wearing armor.

Modifié par jlb524, 27 février 2010 - 12:58 .

[PyroFreak301]

SirWalliss wrote...

I'd really enjoy having a romances with a female Asari with a disability, preferably a twisted foot or somthing maybe so it just kinda like curls inward and back a little. Think I could get that implimented as well? Afterall it's my preference.

A fetish =/= sexual orientation.

But hey, go make your own thread suggesting it... that is what the forums are for after all. Hell, if you could get enough support for it, maybe Bioware will listen. Until then, stop visiting a thread you claim to hate so much.