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Uh like I said, it wouldnt have to be standard issue for someone like Shepard to get a hold of it. The developers allowed a window of a few months before Shepard's death, presumably to allow for developments like the thermal clip.



I takes longer than one month to develop a new firearm. It takes longer for it to hit the market. It takes forever for a Spectre to change his guns to inferior models voluntarily.

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Ryzaki wrote...

SirWalliss wrote...

Ryzaki do you have nice feet? Or by chance is one a little off?


:huh:


It's best not to ask, Ryzaki. Judging from the post just before he asked the question, we can both guess where the conversation is going. Remember the "rules":wizard:

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Female Shepards aren't forced to be bisexual.  Have you played ME2 as a FemShep?  There are no f/f romance options.  If anything, ME2 forces FemShep to be straight (the Jacob romance is literally thrown at you).

My ME2 femShep is lez and celebate - by choice. She's not 'forced' to be any other way. As for Jacob, he's a Cerberus dog with a leash on every neck and experiencing severe denial. Garrus knows femShep has both reach and flexibility so he'll never get the opportunity to... have a rematch. And Tali, well, she's a little too young.

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danman2424 wrote...
Uh like I said, it wouldnt have to be standard issue for someone like Shepard to get a hold of it. The developers allowed a window of a few months before Shepard's death, presumably to allow for developments like the thermal clip.


:mellow: Right and colonists isolated for 10 years grabbed this technology.

*sings* RET-CON *sings*

OH wait no its not!

Then Tali can decide with the help of some DLC after her personal quest that she has a weird feeling in her belly whenever FemShep gives her a warm smile. :whistle: That's not a retcon either!

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 février 2010 - 01:08 .


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A far less efficient military standard issue if you don't take gameplay into consideration.

Near unlimited ammo > very finite ammo in logisitical terms. It's a retcon that doesn't even make sense outside of gameplay. What were they thinking?!


Played too much Gears of War I expect. :D

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And Tali, well, she's a little too young.


She's 23 or 24 by Mass Effect 2, you know?

Right and colonists isolated for 10 years grabbed this technology.

 
Not to mention the entire Terminus Systems, where everything is old and used, or the Quarian Migrant Fleet marines, to boot. Yeah, it doesn't make a nick of sense that every single gun in the game is less than two years old.
I actually like the ammo mechanics, but the explanation for them is just weak. An honest retcon would have been better than this "not a retcon! Really!"-explanation.

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I like Ryzaki's spunk and to the guy who said I hate this thread, I've grown to love it!!

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Ryzaki wrote...

danman2424 wrote...
Uh like I said, it wouldnt have to be standard issue for someone like Shepard to get a hold of it. The developers allowed a window of a few months before Shepard's death, presumably to allow for developments like the thermal clip.


:mellow: Right and colonists isolated for 10 years grabbed this technology.

*sings* RET-CON *sings*

I don't recall anything about isolated colonists with new technology, but regardless, it was something they changed from the first that was very small, and completely for gameplay purposes. Retroactively changing an entire character that is imperative to the story (gameplay changes mean nothing in terms of the overarching story) is a big no no.

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Retroactively changing an entire character that is imperative to the story (gameplay changes mean nothing in terms of the overarching story) is a big no no.


Entire characters aren't getting changed with the suggested DLC. Only few lines of dialogue with them. They'd remain exactly the same people they are with no adverse effect to the main storyline. Or can you explain why bisexuality of one of your squadmates would completely wreck the story?

I don't recall anything about isolated colonists with new technology

 
Jacob's loyalty quest ring a bell? 

Modifié par Lightice_av, 27 février 2010 - 01:14 .


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danman2424 wrote...

I don't recall anything about isolated colonists with new technology, but regardless, it was something they changed from the first that was very small, and completely for gameplay purposes. Retroactively changing an entire character that is imperative to the story (gameplay changes mean nothing in terms of the overarching story) is a big no no.


How would opening up some characters to same sex romances change their entire character? That alteration would not bleed into their other characteristics; Tali would not stop being shy, Thane would not stop feeling remorse for his past actions, and Jacob would not stop being boring. Shepard is the only character that would change, and since he or she is supposed to be up to us that's not a bad thing.

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danman2424 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

danman2424 wrote...
Uh like I said, it wouldnt have to be standard issue for someone like Shepard to get a hold of it. The developers allowed a window of a few months before Shepard's death, presumably to allow for developments like the thermal clip.


:mellow: Right and colonists isolated for 10 years grabbed this technology.

*sings* RET-CON *sings*

I don't recall anything about isolated colonists with new technology, but regardless, it was something they changed from the first that was very small, and completely for gameplay purposes. Retroactively changing an entire character that is imperative to the story (gameplay changes mean nothing in terms of the overarching story) is a big no no.


IN YOUR OPINION. And the DLC is OPTIONAL. You're pretty much whining about other people being able to choose how to play  their games. :?

"Oh noes! You asked BioWare to make a long hair pack DLC and you purchase'd it and used it on Shep. Shep's hair isn't that long in the vanilla game! RETCON!!!" 

"Huh what do you mean I don't have to download it and nothing in my game will change! That doesn't matter! Retcon!!111!!!" 

And what do you mean thermal clips didn't change the story? A bloody codex entry had to be added to explain them! It did change the story!

But whatever. Thermal clips = Retcon. You can go on and on til you're blue in the face that's not going to stop them from being a retcon. :lol:

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 février 2010 - 01:17 .


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danman2424 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

danman2424 wrote...
Uh like I said, it wouldnt have to be standard issue for someone like Shepard to get a hold of it. The developers allowed a window of a few months before Shepard's death, presumably to allow for developments like the thermal clip.


:mellow: Right and colonists isolated for 10 years grabbed this technology.

*sings* RET-CON *sings*

I don't recall anything about isolated colonists with new technology, but regardless, it was something they changed from the first that was very small, and completely for gameplay purposes. Retroactively changing an entire character that is imperative to the story (gameplay changes mean nothing in terms of the overarching story) is a big no no.

A characters sexual preference doesn't have to change their character at all. We wont see Garrus acting like Zevran or exhibit any other stereotyped gay behaviours. He'll still be the same Garrus, so it wont affect the story in the slightest.

A lot of your opinions seem to be based on your distain of gay behaviours or homosexuality in general. You seem to be in the minority on these boards when you see homosexuality as a trait to be laughed at.

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Lightice_av wrote...


And Tali, well, she's a little too young.

She's 23 or 24 by Mass Effect 2, you know? 

She giggles like a 15yo.

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Because to completely change the character for the benefit of a few gays that feel entitled to getting it on with Jacob or a few ladies that get their kicks off man on man action is a complete spit in the face to the story and a mockery of the characters. Under no circumstances should they be going back into an already completed game and making random characters more flirty or bisexual because some people feel slighted by Bioware for not representing them and their "preferences".

Modifié par danman2424, 27 février 2010 - 01:27 .


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danman2424 wrote...

Because to completely change the character for the benefit of a few gays that feel entitled to getting it on with Jacob or a few ladies that get their kicks off man on man action is a complete spit in the face to the story and a mockery of the characters. Under no circumstances should they be going back into an already completed game and making random characters more flirty or bisexual because some people feel slighted by Bioware for not representing them and their "preferences".


Not all of the same sex romance supporters are gay. Any Mass Effect 2's story is not finished. Plus, a same sex romance for any of the love interests would only be a mockery if it is done poorly.

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A characters sexual preference doesn't have to change their character at all. We wont see Garrus acting like Zevran or exhibit any other stereotyped gay behaviours. He'll still be the same Garrus, so it wont affect the story in the slightest.

A lot of your opinions seem to be based on your distain of gay behaviours or homosexuality in general. You seem to be in the minority on these boards when you see homosexuality as a trait to be laughed at.


I came into this thread knowing, that in here, my opinions would be in the minority.

Modifié par danman2424, 27 février 2010 - 01:25 .


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is a complete spit in the face to the story and a mockery of the characters.


Why? You keep claiming that this is the case, but not once have you given anything even remotely resembling an explanation of just what about such an option would damage the story, and how it would mock the characters?

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danman2424 wrote...

Retroactively changing an entire character that is imperative to the story (gameplay changes mean nothing in terms of the overarching story) is a big no no.


Opening up a romantic path with a character isn't the same as changing the 'entire character' and it definitely has no effect on the story.  The characters themselves may impact the story but their sexual orientation and who they can romance does not. 

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danman2424 wrote...


I came into this thread knowing, that in here, my opinions would be in the minority.


A thread where everyone agrees with each other is boring and non-productive. Feel free to make your views about the issue known here.

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DaeJi wrote...
Not all of the same sex romance supporters are gay.


Well apparently, if you are a supporter of this thread, you are either a homosexual person who feels entitled, or a female who gets their jollies by seeing gay men "going at it."  :?

/sarcasm

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jlb524 wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

Retroactively changing an entire character that is imperative to the story (gameplay changes mean nothing in terms of the overarching story) is a big no no.


Opening up a romantic path with a character isn't the same as changing the 'entire character' and it definitely has no effect on the story.  The characters themselves may impact the story but their sexual orientation and who they can romance does not. 

Of course it changes the entire character. I can think of few things more character defining than one's sexual preference.

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Erode_The_Soul wrote...

DaeJi wrote...
Not all of the same sex romance supporters are gay.


Well apparently, if you are a supporter of this thread, you are either a homosexual person who feels entitled, or a female who gets their jollies by seeing gay men "going at it."  :?

/sarcasm


:crying:

One can find it sexy and also want more options in the game too!




Sexuality is sooo defining. That's why it can totally be pinned down to a few categories [/sarcasm]

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I want more options period! And why can't I control the romance scene?!?!?!

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I can think of few things more character defining than one's sexual preference.



That's a pretty sad thing to believe. Not their personality, not their morality, not their beliefs...only their sexuality. Sad, sad thing...

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danman2424 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

A characters sexual preference doesn't have to change their character at all. We wont see Garrus acting like Zevran or exhibit any other stereotyped gay behaviours. He'll still be the same Garrus, so it wont affect the story in the slightest.

A lot of your opinions seem to be based on your distain of gay behaviours or homosexuality in general. You seem to be in the minority on these boards when you see homosexuality as a trait to be laughed at.


I came into this thread knowing, that in here, my opinions would be in the minority.

That's fine, we're obviously interested enough in your opinion to bother replying. What I dont understand it how you can keep claiming it would make a mockery of characters based on nothing more than your personal opinions.

Me saying "there shouldn't be any alien romance at all because it makes a mockery of the game" carries no less weight than what you're saying. Am I in a position to seriously refute any points based on my opinion alone (without any facts to back it up)? Of course not.

Quick scenario for you: 
You're doing your round trip of the ship to progress the story with each character. While talking to Garrus, you notice a flirty option on the dialogue wheel alongside the standard options... What would you do?