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[ARK of ILKS]

danman2424 wrote...

DaeJi wrote...

I think at this point if they want to do a male Shepard/Kaidan romance it should be in an expansion or Mass Effect 3, but tie in the history they share to it. Something like how Kaidan need the shock of Shepard's death to accept what he feels for him.

 I'm sorry but I think some of you just have no idea how goofy stuff like that would end up being. Ah well, I'm out for now.

His right though... that does sound silly.

[ARK of ILKS]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

I wonder if they have Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale available for any DLC they do. If they don't, that puts a stop on any further romance options, assuming not everything was recorded.

Also means any new characters will be like Zaeed, you only get to listen to their monologue rather than talk to them.

Zaeed's dialogue=EPIC FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DaeJi]

danman2424 wrote...
] I'm sorry but I think some of you just have no idea how goofy stuff like that would end up being. Ah well, I'm out for now.

I don't mind goofy. The Garrus romance was goofy and it was an excellent romance. Not all romances have to a somber and serious affair, there is room for fun.

[FataliTensei]

ARK of ILKS wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

DaeJi wrote...

I think at this point if they want to do a male Shepard/Kaidan romance it should be in an expansion or Mass Effect 3, but tie in the history they share to it. Something like how Kaidan need the shock of Shepard's death to accept what he feels for him.

 I'm sorry but I think some of you just have no idea how goofy stuff like that would end up being. Ah well, I'm out for now.

His right though... that does sound silly.

I don't think it sounds silly at all, seeing as how sometimes it does take tragedy for us to reconcile emotions, psychogically speaking it's true

[ARK of ILKS]

DaeJi wrote...

danman2424 wrote...
] I'm sorry but I think some of you just have no idea how goofy stuff like that would end up being. Ah well, I'm out for now.

I don't mind goofy. The Garrus romance was goofy and it was an excellent romance. Not all romances have to a somber and serious affair, there is room for fun.

Funny is what it was. Fitted with him perfectly.

[Arik7]

ARK of ILKS wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

DaeJi wrote...

I think at this point if they want to do a male Shepard/Kaidan romance it should be in an expansion or Mass Effect 3, but tie in the history they share to it. Something like how Kaidan need the shock of Shepard's death to accept what he feels for him.

 I'm sorry but I think some of you just have no idea how goofy stuff like that would end up being. Ah well, I'm out for now.

His right though... that does sound silly.

I actually like the idea.  Sometimes it takes a while for people of the same-sex to admit attraction to each other.  However, I would hope that's not the case in the late 22nd century.

[DaeJi]

Arik7 wrote...
I actually like the idea.  Sometimes it takes a while for people of the same-sex to admit attraction to each other.  However, I would hope that's not the case in the late 22nd century.

All kinds of people, straight, gay, or bi, time to admit their feelings for someone else. Tali being a Mass Effect example.

[ARK of ILKS]

AGREED. GAY DLC FOR THE HOMOSEXUAL COMMUNITY. After 90 pages.. 4 days and a lot of posts, I consider this THREAD... FINISHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



BYE EVERYONE.

[Arik7]

DaeJi wrote...

Arik7 wrote...
I actually like the idea.  Sometimes it takes a while for people of the same-sex to admit attraction to each other.  However, I would hope that's not the case in the late 22nd century.

All kinds of people, straight, gay, or bi, time to admit their feelings for someone else. Tali being a Mass Effect example.

Good point.

[DaeJi]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

I wonder if they have Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale available for any DLC they do. If they don't, that puts a stop on any further romance options, assuming not everything was recorded.

I really cannot imagine that they would need a ton lines for this; a day or two tops for the voice actors.

[DaeJi]

Double post.

Modifié par DaeJi, 27 février 2010 - 03:50 .

[Jimmy Fury]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

I wonder if they have Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale available for any DLC they do. If they don't, that puts a stop on any further romance options, assuming not everything was recorded.

Also means any new characters will be like Zaeed, you only get to listen to their monologue rather than talk to them.

Even without all the personal on-ship dialogue Shep still talks to Zaeed on his loyalty mission so Meer and hale had to record dialogue for that. They would have to have them under contract for more content. The Hammerhead and Kasumi will certainly involve Shepard speaking at some point... The real question is whether or not the other VA's would be available or obligated.
That part I personally see as one of the biggest roadblocks to making existing squadmates LI's. Seems it would be less costly to just hire 2 new VA's for 2 new characters instead of bringing 4 or 5 people back in. Folks like Seth and Yvonne might not even be available depending on when their shows are filming.

[Nightfire78]

I read through this thread and found a lot of things that made me want to pop a gasket, but I think the worst thing that can happen to this thread is it being reduced to circular arguments about the same things (esp. in response to things that really require nothing more than air quotes and a facepalm), so I have waited to post until I had a chance to do the appropriate number of facepalms (man, does my forehead hurt )

That being said, I am a hetero female and neither partial to girl-girl nor to boy-boy romanitc interaction. It's not my thing, yet I strongly support it being included in a game of ME's nature. Not because *I* want it, but because the game generally tries to allow the player/Shep. as much variety in who they like or love, who they save or kill, basically what they do or don't do as possible. As such, it seems logical that there should also be the option of being in a same-sex relationship; not to "cater to a minority", but to cater to people who play a game that is about a future universe filled with infinite possibilities... ones you want and try to achieve as well as ones you don't want and try to avoid.

As it says on the fist page, the point is to toss around ideas on how to do it. All will have pros and cons, which is fine, but I think it's important to focus on that rather than a generic discussion of whether or not it should be possible at all. The quesition that needs to be discussed is "how" not "if", even if the ideas end up not being implemented in ME, a good idea that has leaked its way through the fanbase to a game developer remains in the developer's repertoire and often finds its way into other games even if it is not implemented in the one being discussed. A discussion which leaves the die hard "no" people and the die hard "yes" people righ where they started holds no value to the developers, nor does it help get anything implemented (now or later).

To the ideas: I think most of the ideas that I have seen on the 1st page show some merit, though of course none are perfect, but none ever will be since we are discussing an addition/alteration to a game that has already come out, which are always more problematic (outside of fan modding) than additions/alterations to a game that is yet to come out. For this reason, I find it more likely that a gay option would be added to ME3 than to ME2, depending on how they want the story to unfold in ME3, of course. While I would still consider it an oversight not to have included the option in ME2, I would support adding it into ME3, at least, if they cannot find a way that suited their overal gameplan for adding it to ME2.

DLC: This has a lot of merit or may even be in planning already given that they say they plan to do a lot of DLC. New characters almost *have* to be introduced in the course of these "expansions" (I doubt the DLC will consist only of "go loot that planet over there" type missions). Introducing a gay romanceable char. in the span of one of the new missions should not be a particular strain on anything, and given as the comic books (from what I've heard since I have not read them) include at least one gay character, it would not be a stretch to have one show up (be it that one or somebody else) in a DLC mission.

BI-DLC: This also has merit, mainly due to the dialogues already being present, but also more complications: an optional download would mean people who cannot pretend that the char. is not bi if they know there is a bi option could leave their game unchanged, but the import for ME3 might become more complicated with 2 different game versions out there (then again this may be simple to solve, I am not programer). Still, I often wonder why the solution to same sex romance always has to be "bi"... Why shouldn't there be a character who is only available for same-sex romance just as there are a whole bunch only available for hetero romance? Nonetheless, if a pure same-sex romanceable character is not planned or requires too much in terms of developement resources, the bi options would work as people can simply pretend in their own playthrough that the char. is hetero/gay/lesbian/bi as they choose.

Either of the above + Color-coded flirt choices: I am torn on this one... I hated how I had to yell at Liara and Kaiden in ME1 to get them to back off even though I was not intending to romance either of them (I simply could not find a way to have a friendly convo with them without getting a flirt). In ME2, however, I found the flirt options very clear and avoided them, no problem (i.e. don't ask if he's single ). If the options are clear in the text, I don't think they need color-coding (no one's fault but your own if you don't read what you're clicking on, imo). If they're not very clear-cut, then color-coding could be a big help for everyone trying to avoid unwanted romances f/m or f/f or m/m. I do share the concerns on breaking immersion, but charm/intimidate choices are already color-coded, and all it really does is make me go "yay, my paragon points are helping me!", so perhaps it wouldn't matter.

Personally, I favor the new char. DLC, but I would have no issue whatsoever with putting the existing Thane/Tali dialogue back in. Which of these is the more doable is a decision a dev/programmer would have to make.

If neither of them fit with their overall gameplan, I would, at least, encourage Bioware to put in a male same-sex option for ME3 (heck, they're probably going to need to put in a few new chars. anyway for certain eventuality-type reasons that would be spoilers, so I'm not elaborating ).

I think it's great that so many people bring up ideas (on diverse topics and levels of gameplay) for improvements on these forums. Certainly, not all will be implemented, but you can never have too many ideas for a creative process of this kind. I have several friends in the game developement business, and they all say that they love to hear from people who have constructive ideas for improvements of whatever kind.

Keep it going, keep it positive, keep it full off ideas! Saying, "Your game was great, but this is something that could make it even better" is the best thing a player/fan can do to improve the franchise (not just for a current game, but in general).

I support same-sex romance option(s) for ME!
Good night and good luck 

[ARK of ILKS]

Now its officially over, good post nightfire, nice.

[Arik7]

ARK of ILKS wrote...

Now its officially over, good post nightfire, nice.

It's not over until same-sex romances are included into Mass Effect games.  It's an ongoing discussion.  There's always room for more supporters of same-sex romance:http://social.bioware.com/group/1168/

[PyroFreak301]

Good point about the loyalty mission, I completely forgot about that.



I do worry about DLC in general with big names as voice actors. Any new missions might be a bit lacking in the dialogue department, if not by Meer/Hale, then others that can't be called back for every new bit of content they want to release.





Also, excellent post Nightfire.

[ARK of ILKS]

Arik7 wrote...

ARK of ILKS wrote...

Now its officially over, good post nightfire, nice.

It's not over until same-sex romances are included into Mass Effect games.  It's an ongoing discussion.  There's always room for more supporters of same-sex romance:http://social.bioware.com/group/1168/

Chill out man, Ive been with this thread since the original, from day one. This isnt the first one you know.

[DaeJi]

If BioWare did want to release a DLC that added same sex romance options to existing love interests (namely, Tali and Thane), Meer and Hale would be the big ones to get back since most of the dialog needed for those romances from the NPC characters is already in the game; any changes would be light and require only a small, and I mean small, time investment from the voice actors. I don't see a proper same sex romance DLC (that is, not a half-assed one) taking more than a week to create.

[Your Synthetic Superior]

jlb524 wrote...

Your Synthetic Superior wrote...

Look what they do with female players. They’re forced to be bi-sexual. I sure don't want to have my male heterosexual Shepard hitting on Jacob or Kaiden. It is bad enough how they do females who don’t want to be bi-sexual to appease adolescent boys with girl-on-girl fetishes.

Female Shepards aren't forced to be bisexual.  Have you played ME2 as a FemShep?  There are no f/f romance options.  If anything, ME2 forces FemShep to be straight (the Jacob romance is literally thrown at you).

My comment does not limited to ME2, but ME as a whole. Femshep is bisexual. You can romance Liara in ME1 and try to romance Samara in ME2. 

And the thing about Jacob being thrown at you is a part of my point. I don't want a Jacob romance being thrown at my male Shepard. Bioware seems to have a tight budget when it comes to voice acting (maybe they should use unknowns) and I don't see them making a gayshep line of dialog that is seperate from the heterosexual dialog when they won't even make plantonic male-female dialog.

By the way, are Thane and Garrus thrown at you too? Everybody keeps bringing up Jacob. At least he's human and not a fish eyed lizard or a carapaced saurian. Bioware really has no love for the ladies.

[Erode_The_Soul]

Your Synthetic Superior wrote...

By the way, are Thane and Garrus thrown at you too? Everybody keeps bringing up Jacob. At least he's human and not a fish eyed lizard or a carapaced saurian. Bioware really has no love for the ladies.

Have you played the game? I don't mean this antagonistically, I just don't know how much of the characters you've encountered.

Thane, Garrus and Jacob are all easily avoidable romance wise. For the most part, their romance dialogue is straight up and clear ("I want you, Thane" as an example). Jacob just feels thrown at us because Femshep sounds like a ho-bag when talking to him. Veeeeeeeeeeery creepy.

[MPSai]

Yeah srsly, why can't the female Shepard just ask Jacob about his day without having to sound like a sexual predator? Seeing as my main Shepard is a lesbian but I like to talk to each crew member about their lives it made me feel a biiiit awkward.

[Grizzly46]

This seems to be a quite big issue for some people. Now, I would never want to accidentally even induce Shepard into a gay conversation, but I understand some would like that, and that is fine. However, by colour-coding the flirt options (as has already been suggested) it would be easier for both parties, depending on your interest. Hey, it is your Shepard, your game, and your Shepard can be anything you want, right?



That said, I would also LOVE to get some non-flirtatious conversations with the potential LIs I have no interest in, like the ones you get with Samara. I want to know my team, but that doesn't mean I want to get into everyones panties too. And seriously speaking, I do think these things could be done as DLC. Write up non-romantic topics (or romantic for the gay people), call in the voice actors, record, compile, release (ok, I *know* theres a lot more involved, but you get the idea).



And if this is done, for the love of god, colour-code the romantic options...

[brgillespie]

I'd rather not see goofy pink/baby-blue/rainbow color-coded romance options. I can understand why it's being asked for, though.

[SirGladiator]

I think its a pretty safe guess (admittedly its only a guess at this point) that given that we know that certain romances, in particular the Tali one, still have some of the recorded romance dialogue on the disc, that all of the dialogue actually 'was' recorded, and part of it was simply removed. I think the strongest evidence in favor of that theory is simply that the Ashley-FemShep romance is COMPLETELY voiced, and there was literally no chance of that ending up in the game, and yet they did it. Obviously the Tali romance was supposed to be in the game at some point (probably right up til near the end) so there's no reason why it wouldn't have been voiced. So I don't think any additional voicework would be needed, but again thats just a guess. Certainly if for some reason they did have a bit of romance dialogue that hadn't been voiced, what they would do is have them do it the next time they bring them back for DLC content related to whatever else they have planned. Either way, it would be extremely easy to do.

I also want to second the complaint about Jacob. Jacob's a fine character and all, but I pretty much have to avoid him as much as reasonably possible for that very reason, I really wish the Jacob related dialogue was better designed so that you could talk to him like a normal human being .

Im editing in his comment about the color-coding:  I dont have a problem with it, because there's actually a REALLY cool precedent for it.  In the game Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines (one of the greatest RPGs of all time, for those who haven't played it) virtually every romance option in the game, male and female, was romancable by all characers, male or female, and there were a TON of romance options, and they had color coding for the romance parts (it was called 'seduction' in the game, and it was sort of purpleish, if I recall correctly) so you knew exactly what you were doing, its actually helpful and cool, as its nice to know whether you're doing something that will actively pursue a romance with a given character or not.  I enjoyed it as part of that game, so I know for sure I would enjoy it as part of any other, and Im pretty sure most everybody else would like it too if they had the chance to see it in action.  Its really just helpful and cool.

Modifié par SirGladiator, 27 février 2010 - 05:07 .

[FataliTensei]

ueah my f-shep was trying to stay faithful to Kaidan and she's acting like horebiscuit whenever i talk to jacob

Modifié par FataliTensei, 27 février 2010 - 05:02 .