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[Allison W]

To get off-topic, a well-handled transgendered character would be pretty awesome to see, but that's just me. (Fable II actually blew my mind in that you can play a transgendered character, to the limit of the setting's technology throughout most of the game, and actually seal the whole deal with the potion in Castle Fairfax.)

But the truth is, it's not really comparable to the issue of same-sex romances--in a setting like ME's, with its level of medical sophistication, it'd more likely be a resolved issue and largely in the companion's (or Shepard's) past, and essentially be a background detail. Romance is a much bigger part of the story, even if one that isn't mandatory. (The whole trans thing actually seems like it'd be more significant in Dragon Age, on top of the fact that Dragon Age's much more personal writing and storytelling style seems more suited to the topic.)

Also, if two guys cuddling looks "ridiculous" to you, I fear it says more about you than it does about them. Jus' sayin'.

[Lightice_av]

Transsexual - a person who has undergone hormone treatment and surgery to attain the physical characteristics of the opposite sex.

Transsexual - a person who is undergoing hormone treatment and surgery to attain the physical characteristics of the opposite sex. Fixed.

After the process is complete, they're either man or woman. Transsexual is the middle stage.

[Sabul]

danman2424 wrote...
I don't think their aim is to just "sell well enough".

Right. The only issue with this is a game that included both m/m and f/f romance options outsold Mass Effect on the 360 in the first fourteen weeks. What is even more impressive is while Mass Effect was an exclusive Dragon Age sales were split among three systems yet the 360 copies still outsold Mass Effect. It almost sounds like including these options improved the sales over games that excluded them. amirite?

Modifié par Sabul, 27 février 2010 - 11:20 .

[Endurance_117]

Sabul wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

I've seen a couple of mods with Shepard touching nipples with Jacob and holding onto Garrus with his head against his chest. None of them seem very appropriate at all. They look ridiculous.


Obviously the response will be "well, that's your opinion", and while you're right I can assure you that posting those pictures on any gaming site would get you a lot of funny responses. Sorry I can't provide you with some stat sheet that polls all of the people of the world but if you really think such images are as acceptable to most people as they are to you, then you've been spending way too much time on this forum, and this thread in particular.

What is so ridiculous about two males showing romantic affection for each other? Is it the idea of two men being romantic?

Really this argument is rather silly. Bioware is known for pushing the envelope. They have long included this content despite what you think the majority of the worlds feelings would be on it. Add to that the amount of people who even bought Mass Effect is such a small group when compared the feelings of the world do not really matter. Their previous games sold well enough and in the case of Dragon Age's Xbox 360 sales outsold the first Mass Effect.

Mass Effect went against Call of Duty 4, Rock Band, Uncharted, Halo 3, Assassins Creed
Dragon Age went against Modern Warfare 2 and Assassins Creed 2

You can't really compare that

Modifié par Endurance_117, 27 février 2010 - 11:20 .

[sw33ts]

There's actual two definitions of a transsexual. There's the person who was born as as one sex but feels like the opposite sex so he/she dresses as one...that's it. And then it's also the person who has undergone the surgery/hormone treatment. You're still a transsexual even if you're done with the surgery and such. You're just now a transsexual man/woman. At least that's how it was explained to me.



Anyways. This is is going off topic. O_o



So onward....danman. Explain this to me. Why would it bother you if MaleShep were cuddling with Jacob if you don't have to go out of your way to see it. This is practically like saying you don't want there to be any sort of chocolate cookies in the world because you don't like chocolate and/or cookies.

[sw33ts]

Endurance_117 wrote...

Sabul wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

I've seen a couple of mods with Shepard touching nipples with Jacob and holding onto Garrus with his head against his chest. None of them seem very appropriate at all. They look ridiculous.


Obviously the response will be "well, that's your opinion", and while you're right I can assure you that posting those pictures on any gaming site would get you a lot of funny responses. Sorry I can't provide you with some stat sheet that polls all of the people of the world but if you really think such images are as acceptable to most people as they are to you, then you've been spending way too much time on this forum, and this thread in particular.

What is so ridiculous about two males showing romantic affection for each other? Is it the idea of two men being romantic?

Really this argument is rather silly. Bioware is known for pushing the envelope. They have long included this content despite what you think the majority of the worlds feelings would be on it. Add to that the amount of people who even bought Mass Effect is such a small group when compared the feelings of the world do not really matter. Their previous games sold well enough and in the case of Dragon Age's Xbox 360 sales outsold the first Mass Effect.

Mass Effect went against Call of Duty 4, Rock Band, Uncharted, Halo 3, Assassins Creed
Dragon Age went against Modern Warfare 2 and Assassins Creed 2

You can't really compare that

Why not?  Those were huge games of their time. And hell Halo 3 and Call of Duty 4 are still huge.  Just as Modern Warfare 2 and AC2 is huge.

[Sabul]

Endurance_117 wrote...
Mass Effect went against Call of Duty 4, Rock Band, Uncharted, Halo 3, Assassins Creed
Dragon Age went against Modern Warfare 2 and Assassins Creed 2

You can't really compare that

I was wondering if you were going to make a return. Mass Effect still appeals to a far larger crowd of gamers than Dragon Age. Comparing it to what the sold against is also rather silly as both games were unknown at their starts. You are also comparing new series to existing series. Not to mention was not Assassins Creed 2 far better received than it's predecessor? Either way. It was simply to point out that including these options would not hurt the sales or hinder them as seems to be implied.

[Sabul]

Also this is strange. Endurance is a supporter now? wat

[Lightice_av]

Also this is strange. Endurance is a supporter now? wat

He's a person who enjoys mixed messages. Lets leave it at that.

[Endurance_117]

I can't quote for some reason but I always supported it.



Also we are going by the fist 13 weeks of outselling yes?

[Endurance_117]

Lightice_av wrote...

Also this is strange. Endurance is a supporter now? wat

He's a person who enjoys mixed messages. Lets leave it at that.

Lighting Av, classy as usual

Modifié par Endurance_117, 27 février 2010 - 11:35 .

[sw33ts]

Endurance_117 wrote...

I can't quote for some reason but I always supported it.

Also we are going by the fist 13 weeks of outselling yes?

You don't act like it.  And 12.  We could do 13.   I guess 13 wasn't up when i first made the FAQ.

O_o

Modifié par sw33ts, 27 février 2010 - 11:35 .

[PyroFreak301]

Endurance_117 wrote...
Mass Effect went against Call of Duty 4, Rock Band, Uncharted, Halo 3, Assassins Creed
Dragon Age went against Modern Warfare 2 and Assassins Creed 2

You can't really compare that

Not to mention that one of the titles had the word "Dragon" in while the other had sciency words. There was never going to be any contest! Seriously though, it shows well enough that the inclusion of same sex romance doesn't impact sales in a noticable way.

@Danman. Your arguments seem to be boiling down to "I find homosexuality laughable so it shouldn't be in the game... because I wouldn't be able to resist clicking it for a quick laugh". The majority of people simply dont share your view, nor would they avoid the game even if they did. Fewer would see the credibility of a character you mould to you own liking affected, mostly because it's their character. That's the beauty of RPGs.

[Sabul]

Lightice_av: Yeah. I have argued with Endurance before. Many times in fact. Just his signature is new. Kind of surprised me when I noticed it.



Endurance: Last I checked the website only has the first 15 weeks of Dragon Age thus far. As of week fifteen however Dragon Age was still outselling the first game by a bit.

[danman2424]

Endurance_117 wrote...

Sabul wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

I've seen a couple of mods with Shepard touching nipples with Jacob and holding onto Garrus with his head against his chest. None of them seem very appropriate at all. They look ridiculous.


Obviously the response will be "well, that's your opinion", and while you're right I can assure you that posting those pictures on any gaming site would get you a lot of funny responses. Sorry I can't provide you with some stat sheet that polls all of the people of the world but if you really think such images are as acceptable to most people as they are to you, then you've been spending way too much time on this forum, and this thread in particular.

What is so ridiculous about two males showing romantic affection for each other? Is it the idea of two men being romantic?

Really this argument is rather silly. Bioware is known for pushing the envelope. They have long included this content despite what you think the majority of the worlds feelings would be on it. Add to that the amount of people who even bought Mass Effect is such a small group when compared the feelings of the world do not really matter. Their previous games sold well enough and in the case of Dragon Age's Xbox 360 sales outsold the first Mass Effect.

Mass Effect went against Call of Duty 4, Rock Band, Uncharted, Halo 3, Assassins Creed
Dragon Age went against Modern Warfare 2 and Assassins Creed 2

You can't really compare that

Not to mention that the user base is significantly larger now than it was 2 years ago. I'd also like to see the data that supports this.

Even with all of those factors aside, Mass Effect is a very different game than Dragon Age. From what I've seen of Dragon Age it is not the type of game I am interested in buying and is very niche. Mass Effect is obviously the series Bioware is aiming to capture the mainstream consumer with and has a much better shot at doing so.

[Endurance_117]

sw33ts wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

I can't quote for some reason but I always supported it.

Also we are going by the fist 13 weeks of outselling yes?

You don't act like it.

O_o

I just don't like when some people not you, think they are entitled to have it in the game when it's not necessary to have it. If they add it it's fine by me.

[Sangheili_1337]

Anyone who is against gay romance in Mass effect is prejudiced plain and simple. If you don"t care about it fine, whether it is included or not is not of your concern, but if you actively preach against it than there is something wrong with you. People who don't care about it do not have to undertake a gay romance if it is included while the people who do care about it would benefit. Its basically a win win situation in my view for everyone involved. Simply having a sexual orientation option from the very beginning would prevent any possible problems.

[Lightice_av]

From what I've seen of Dragon Age it is not the type of game I am interested in buying and is very niche.

The best selling RPG of 2009, one of the best selling games of 2009, the game that several magazines picked as the Game of the Year...Niche. Yeah, sure...

[Arik7]

Sangheili_1337 wrote...

Anyone who is against gay romance in Mass effect is prejudiced plain and simple. If you don"t care about it fine, whether it is included or not is not of your concern, but if you actively preach against it than there is something wrong with you. People who don't care about it do not have to undertake a gay romance if it is included while the people who do care about it would benefit. Its basically a win win situation in my view for everyone involved. Simply having a sexual orientation option from the very beginning would prevent any possible problems.

THIS.

[Sabul]

danman2424: The point was to compared two new games. Mass Effect vs Dragon Age. Neither game had any following at their start. Dragon Age being a "niche" title still managed to out sell a game that you yourself said would appeal to the mainstream market.

Once again allow me to direct you to the first page. Or since you seem incapable of reading anything there I will link you to the data. tinyurl.com/y9nnqor

Modifié par Sabul, 27 février 2010 - 11:42 .

[sw33ts]

Arik7 wrote...

Sangheili_1337 wrote...

Anyone who is against gay romance in Mass effect is prejudiced plain and simple. If you don"t care about it fine, whether it is included or not is not of your concern, but if you actively preach against it than there is something wrong with you. People who don't care about it do not have to undertake a gay romance if it is included while the people who do care about it would benefit. Its basically a win win situation in my view for everyone involved. Simply having a sexual orientation option from the very beginning would prevent any possible problems.

THIS.

No.  Not this.

Should we really stereotype them as all prejudice?  Let's not make it a habit of calling people names becuase they don't agree with us.  HONEY NOT VINEGAR.

[sw33ts]

Endurance_117 wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

I can't quote for some reason but I always supported it.

Also we are going by the fist 13 weeks of outselling yes?

You don't act like it.

O_o

I just don't like when some people not you, think they are entitled to have it in the game when it's not necessary to have it. If they add it it's fine by me.

I see, but next time you have a problem with the way someone said something could you PM them?  As to not derail this topic?  I see that you want to prove them wrong but ti's really not doing anything for the group when our topics keep closed.

Modifié par sw33ts, 27 février 2010 - 11:44 .

[danman2424]

Sabul wrote...

danman2424: The point was to compared two new games. Mass Effect vs Dragon Age. Neither game had any following at their start. Dragon Age being a "niche" title still managed to out sell a game that you yourself said would appeal to the mainstream market.

Once again allow me to direct you to the first page. Or since you seem incapable of reading anything there I will link you to the data. tinyurl.com/y9nnqor

lol. Now send me a credible source.

[Endurance_117]

I'll need to do some research on game competition and how they sold over time

[Lightice_av]

lol. Now send me a credible source.

Data that is not to your liking must be false? What makes this an unbelievable source?