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[PyroFreak301]

didymos1120 wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...


Heavy Rain froze on me and I can't even load the damn game...

So it's turned into Heavy Snow?

Get out right now. You can come back when you're ready to apologise for that terrible joke. <_<

danman2424 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Thunderblarg wrote...
What does Homosexual romance have to do with shagging your mom?

I think it's supposed to be a clever analogy.  

Yup. It is a direct analogy to one "sexual relationship that we should all accept as long as it doesn't hurt anyone because love conquers all and it's none of your business what people do in the privacy of their own homes ....", to another.

If you consider it valid to call those against homosexuality in Mass Effect as being close-minded bigots, then it is valid to put the same title on you for not tolerating another sexual preference.

Trying to group any and all sexual deviances from the norm into one single yes/no group doesn't do you any favours. If you honestly refuse to see the difference between homosexuality and incest/bestiality/pedophilia or whatever else you want to group it with, then you're beyond reason.

[lewis1306]

honestly....

danman2424 makes some pretty valid points...

I kind of agree with him (to a point). But I can also understand why there is an impasse.

people who equate heterosexuality with homosexuality see an unfair double standard.
people who do not equate heterosexuality with homosexuality will allways disagree.
you can not reach any type of agreement (or even any common ground, for that matter) until you find a way to address that core belief and viewpoint.

There are many people who feel that homosexuality is not the same as heterosexuality and that the two should never be treated as if they are.

I think that a thousand arguments over a thousand different threads would not be enough to change even one person's mind about that.

the people who want to see gays in video games will always want to see gays in video games and the people who don't, probably never will.

when danman says:

"To me it is no stranger than them leaving
out a sexual relationship with Shepard's mother. I don't think it
belongs in the game at all, even if there is a community of incestuous
people that thinks it does belong."

he is echoing a sentiment that the majority heterosexual males share...

of course, not all heterosexual males hate homosexuals... but I think that a majority are very uncomfortable when confronted about gay issues.

Modifié par lewis1306, 28 février 2010 - 03:11 .

[danman2424]

Allison W wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

People have repeatedly asked danman to elaborate on why it's "comical" for MShep to be gay and why it would damage the "credibility" of Mass Effect if he were. He never does, and simply repeats those claims over and over. It's why I just stopped responding to him.

He also claims that Asari being an all-female race is a "misprint" in the Codex, and  that same-sex recordings on M1/ME2 disks are "impersonations".     Did you expect anything more? 

Didymos, there is no explaining why something is comical, it just is. If there were a thread with midgets complaining about not being represented in the game or not being able make "their" shepard the way they are, I would probably give them the same answer. Why would midget Shepard be funny? I can't answer that. It just would be. Although I'm sure they would be just as clueless as to why that is comical as you are.

Arik7, I believe it to be misprint because at the time of writing it, I'm sure they didn't expect it to be taken so literally. Yes, Asari all look like human females. In that regard they are an all female race in our eyes. WE would see them as an all-female race. However, being that there is no male counterpart, there is no need for the distinction of being female. It would be like if a race with 3 sexes where their third sex looks just like human males, came up to you and said you look like an *insert name of third sex* and you would say "but no, I'm male, I'm not *insert name of third sex*". To them you're not male, but to you that doesn't mean anything because in your race, there are only 2 sexes and you are male.

That's probably all really confusing but I hope you can understand why "all-female race" makes sense as a description of the Asari to a human but isn't really valid in a literal sense.

As for the last part, all of the supposed dialogue I've seen has been ripped out of the straight romances. I still haven't seen any indication that a gay romance was completed and on disc. If Bioware comes out and says that's the case, then I'll believe that's the case, but not because I saw a few mods where they got the guy in Chora's Den to recognize Shepard as a female and speak to him as one. Or that made Kaidan recite his femshep romance dialogue to male Shepard. I've seen way crazier and funnier mods than that.

None of this business about whether Asari are "female" or "sexless" does anything to debunk the fact that a femShep getting with Liara is clearly gay or bi.

Also, you're ignoring the fact that the Shepards have recorded audio for the same-sex romances in which they refer to the LI by name, clearly in the context of the romance. The squad members generally call Shepard "Shepard" regardless of Shepard's gender (which, among other things, means that same-sex romances are not nearly as zots-consuming as you make them out to be, particularly when added to a companion that already has an opposite-sex romance).

danman2424 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

Creating
content to tackle real-life issues and wrapping the story around the
them isn't really the same as excluding content that arguably should
have been there in the first place.

When a large portion of the
game is based on relationships and romance, it's a bit strange that
homosexuality gets left out (or cut out) for no apparent
reason.

Maybe to you. To me it is no stranger than them leaving
out a sexual relationship with Shepard's mother. I don't think it
belongs in the game at all, even if there is a community of incestuous
people that thinks it does belong.

So do you think heterosexuality belongs in the game? Why do heterosexuals have to rub their heterosexuality in everyone's faces? It seems like every developer thinks the cool thing to do to whatever they're working on is to add heterosexuality, like it's the new black or something. I really don't want to see that. If they like members of the opposite sex, that's their business, just like if they like family members or animals or whatever, but when are they going to stop shoving it down my throat?

Top: It's not difficult to cut out Shepard saying "Kaidan", which he says quite often when speaking to Kaidan, and then plastering at the end of one of his Ashley romance dialogues.

Bottom: Physiologically, only a dimwit would not be able to understand which way things work. Penis in vagina. Done. Penis in Penis. No. Penis in anus. Well quite a way to work around but no, that is not the biological purpose of the anus. Penis in animal? No. Animal Penis in vagina? No. Vagina and Vagina? No.

However, the mind is a funny thing, and it can allow for deviation from that very clearly path. The question is, do you accept deviation? Are you fine with people having sex with whatever they want? Let me guess your answer

"I'm fine with deviation as long as it doesn't involve anyone being hurt".

Well...... that encompasses quite a bit then.

If Mass Effect 2 is to truly be "fair" as some of you like to call it, then there are quite a few relationship types out there the developers would have to implement to be fair. Many of which, like homosexuality, would be seen as comical or gross by the vast majority, despite being just as "harmless".

Again, like it or not, homosexuality is not, and has never been on equal ground with heterosexuality, simply due to the fact that it is a sex act that is a deviation from what is physiologically appropriate. Despite cries of what is supposedly fair, homosexuals are no more entitled to having a relationship catered to them in the game than anyone else with sexual preferences that are currently considered abnormal and are being "persecuted" for them.

Modifié par danman2424, 28 février 2010 - 03:15 .

[danman2424]

lewis1306 wrote...


of course, not all heterosexual males hate homosexuals... but I think that a majority are very uncomfortable when confronted about gay issues.

For the record, I resent the notion that I hate homosexuals. I don't hate them at all. I have come into contact with many of them and am able to get along fine and have a good time. I don't think being a homosexual makes you a bad person. I do not, however, agree with the growing idea that being a nice person means you should be able to *boink* whatever you like.

[PyroFreak301]

lewis1306 wrote...

honestly....

danman2424 makes some pretty valid points...

I kind of agree with him (to a point). But I can also understand why there is an impasse.

people who equate heterosexuality with homosexuality see an unfair double standard.
people who do not equate heterosexuality with homosexuality will allways disagree.
you can not reach any type of agreement until you find a way to address that core belief and viewpoint.

There are many people who feel that homosexuality is not the same as heterosexuality and that the two should never be treated as if they are.

I think that a thousand arguments over a thousand different threads would not be enough to change even one person's mind about that.

the people who want to see gays in video games will always want to see gays in video games and the people who don't, probably never will.

You're right about the core beliefs, we're not gonna win people over that have already made their mind up.

I can understand people not being confortable around homosexuality and not wanting it thrust upon them ingame, however I find it more difficult to understand why people will object when the encounter itself is 100% avoidable. Danman is objecting soley based on the fact that he, and perhaps some others, wont be able to resist clicking on the link even though they find the subject so laughable. Lack of self-restraint shouldn't be a reason to exclude content that many would enjoy.

when danman says:

"To me it is no stranger than them leaving
out a sexual relationship with Shepard's mother. I don't think it
belongs in the game at all, even if there is a community of incestuous
people that thinks it does belong."

he is echoing a sentiment that the majority heterosexual males share...

of
course, not all heterosexual males hate homosexuals... but I think that
a majority are very uncomfortable when confronted about gay issues.

I think you'd be suprised at the amount of people that are pro-inclusion that are straight.

[IngoLoema]

danman2424, I'm out, you will never understand, I simply give up...

[danman2424]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

Trying to group any and all sexual deviances from the norm into one single yes/no group doesn't do you any favours. If you honestly refuse to see the difference between homosexuality and incest/bestiality/pedophilia or whatever else you want to group it with, then you're beyond reason.

I never grouped it with pedophilia. Pedophilia involves harming another.

Modifié par danman2424, 28 février 2010 - 03:20 .

[MPSai]

I think the simple point danman continually misses is why should there be a gay female Shepard but not a gay male Shepard? Why aren't the Shepards equal?

[PyroFreak301]

danman2424 wrote...
 I do not, however, agree with the growing idea that being a nice person means you should be able to *boink* whatever you like.

What about two nice people that both want to *boink* eachother?

[FataliTensei]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

lewis1306 wrote...

honestly....

danman2424 makes some pretty valid points...

I kind of agree with him (to a point). But I can also understand why there is an impasse.

people who equate heterosexuality with homosexuality see an unfair double standard.
people who do not equate heterosexuality with homosexuality will allways disagree.
you can not reach any type of agreement until you find a way to address that core belief and viewpoint.

There are many people who feel that homosexuality is not the same as heterosexuality and that the two should never be treated as if they are.

I think that a thousand arguments over a thousand different threads would not be enough to change even one person's mind about that.

the people who want to see gays in video games will always want to see gays in video games and the people who don't, probably never will.

You're right about the core beliefs, we're not gonna win people over that have already made their mind up.

I can understand people not being confortable around homosexuality and not wanting it thrust upon them ingame, however I find it more difficult to understand why people will object when the encounter itself is 100% avoidable. Danman is objecting soley based on the fact that he, and perhaps some others, wont be able to resist clicking on the link even though they find the subject so laughable. Lack of self-restraint shouldn't be a reason to exclude content that many would enjoy.

when danman says:

"To me it is no stranger than them leaving
out a sexual relationship with Shepard's mother. I don't think it
belongs in the game at all, even if there is a community of incestuous
people that thinks it does belong."

he is echoing a sentiment that the majority heterosexual males share...

of
course, not all heterosexual males hate homosexuals... but I think that
a majority are very uncomfortable when confronted about gay issues.

I think you'd be suprised at the amount of people that are pro-inclusion that are straight.

Current Polls Results

66% are for it
over half of those appear to be heterosexuals

9% don't care either way

20% are against

4% are on the fence

apparently 1% got lost in the poll calculator

[PyroFreak301]

danman2424 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

Trying to group any and all sexual deviances from the norm into one single yes/no group doesn't do you any favours. If you honestly refuse to see the difference between homosexuality and incest/bestiality/pedophilia or whatever else you want to group it with, then you're beyond reason.

I never grouped it with pedophilia. Pedophilia involves harming another.

Incest and beastiality arguably hurts others and consent is always going to be questionable.

If you can give me one solid way in which gay people having sex hurts anyone, I'd be willing to re-think my stance.

[lewis1306]

danman2424 wrote...

lewis1306 wrote...


of course, not all heterosexual males hate homosexuals... but I think that a majority are very uncomfortable when confronted about gay issues.

For the record, I resent the notion that I hate homosexuals. I don't hate them at all. I have come into contact with many of them and am able to get along fine and have a good time. I don't think being a homosexual makes you a bad person. I do not, however, agree with the growing idea that being a nice person means you should be able to *boink* whatever you like.

I was not implying that you hate gays. My intention was to point out that your stance on the issue in question is a valid and reasonable one.

Modifié par lewis1306, 28 février 2010 - 03:26 .

[danman2424]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

danman2424 wrote...
 I do not, however, agree with the growing idea that being a nice person means you should be able to *boink* whatever you like.

What about two nice people that both want to *boink* eachother?

Even if those 2 happen to be of the same sex, same bloodline, etc.?

Hmm now that is something I have always thought about, and once again, am not sure how I feel about it. I don't think I'd ever be able to get over seeing such deviations as strange or funny.

Modifié par danman2424, 28 février 2010 - 03:35 .

[didymos1120]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...


Heavy Rain froze on me and I can't even load the damn game...

So it's turned into Heavy Snow?

Get out right now. You can come back when you're ready to apologise for that terrible joke. <_<

I resent that:  it's clearly a terrible pun.  And I'll never apologize...NEVER!

[danman2424]

lewis1306 wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

lewis1306 wrote...


of course, not all heterosexual males hate homosexuals... but I think that a majority are very uncomfortable when confronted about gay issues.

For the record, I resent the notion that I hate homosexuals. I don't hate them at all. I have come into contact with many of them and am able to get along fine and have a good time. I don't think being a homosexual makes you a bad person. I do not, however, agree with the growing idea that being a nice person means you should be able to *boink* whatever you like.

I was not implying that you hate gays. My intention was to point out that your stance on the issue in question is a valid and reasonable one.

Ah, well then I apologize. I agreed with the rest of the post but wasn't sure what the implication at the end was.

Modifié par danman2424, 28 février 2010 - 03:29 .

[Allison W]

danman2424 wrote...

Allison W wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

People have repeatedly asked danman to elaborate on why it's "comical" for MShep to be gay and why it would damage the "credibility" of Mass Effect if he were. He never does, and simply repeats those claims over and over. It's why I just stopped responding to him.

He also claims that Asari being an all-female race is a "misprint" in the Codex, and  that same-sex recordings on M1/ME2 disks are "impersonations".     Did you expect anything more? 

Didymos, there is no explaining why something is comical, it just is. If there were a thread with midgets complaining about not being represented in the game or not being able make "their" shepard the way they are, I would probably give them the same answer. Why would midget Shepard be funny? I can't answer that. It just would be. Although I'm sure they would be just as clueless as to why that is comical as you are.

Arik7, I believe it to be misprint because at the time of writing it, I'm sure they didn't expect it to be taken so literally. Yes, Asari all look like human females. In that regard they are an all female race in our eyes. WE would see them as an all-female race. However, being that there is no male counterpart, there is no need for the distinction of being female. It would be like if a race with 3 sexes where their third sex looks just like human males, came up to you and said you look like an *insert name of third sex* and you would say "but no, I'm male, I'm not *insert name of third sex*". To them you're not male, but to you that doesn't mean anything because in your race, there are only 2 sexes and you are male.

That's probably all really confusing but I hope you can understand why "all-female race" makes sense as a description of the Asari to a human but isn't really valid in a literal sense.

As for the last part, all of the supposed dialogue I've seen has been ripped out of the straight romances. I still haven't seen any indication that a gay romance was completed and on disc. If Bioware comes out and says that's the case, then I'll believe that's the case, but not because I saw a few mods where they got the guy in Chora's Den to recognize Shepard as a female and speak to him as one. Or that made Kaidan recite his femshep romance dialogue to male Shepard. I've seen way crazier and funnier mods than that.

None of this business about whether Asari are "female" or "sexless" does anything to debunk the fact that a femShep getting with Liara is clearly gay or bi.

Also, you're ignoring the fact that the Shepards have recorded audio for the same-sex romances in which they refer to the LI by name, clearly in the context of the romance. The squad members generally call Shepard "Shepard" regardless of Shepard's gender (which, among other things, means that same-sex romances are not nearly as zots-consuming as you make them out to be, particularly when added to a companion that already has an opposite-sex romance).

danman2424 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

Creating
content to tackle real-life issues and wrapping the story around the
them isn't really the same as excluding content that arguably should
have been there in the first place.

When a large portion of the
game is based on relationships and romance, it's a bit strange that
homosexuality gets left out (or cut out) for no apparent
reason.

Maybe to you. To me it is no stranger than them leaving
out a sexual relationship with Shepard's mother. I don't think it
belongs in the game at all, even if there is a community of incestuous
people that thinks it does belong.

So do you think heterosexuality belongs in the game? Why do heterosexuals have to rub their heterosexuality in everyone's faces? It seems like every developer thinks the cool thing to do to whatever they're working on is to add heterosexuality, like it's the new black or something. I really don't want to see that. If they like members of the opposite sex, that's their business, just like if they like family members or animals or whatever, but when are they going to stop shoving it down my throat?

Top: It's not difficult to cut out Shepard saying "Kaidan", which he says quite often when speaking to Kaidan, and then plastering at the end of one of his Ashley romance dialogues.

Bottom: Physiologically, only a dimwit would not be able to understand which way things work. Penis in vagina. Done. Penis in Penis. No. Penis in anus. Well quite a way to work around but no, that is not the biological purpose of the anus. Penis in animal? Animal Penis in vagina? No. Vagina in Vagina? No.

However, the mind is a funny thing, and it can allow for deviation from that very clearly path. The question is, do you accept deviation? Are you fine with people having sex with whatever they want? Let me guess your answer

"I'm fine with deviation as long as it doesn't involve anyone being hurt".

Well...... that encompasses quite a bit then.

If Mass Effect 2 is to truly be "fair" as some of you like to call it, then there are quite a few relationship types out there the developers would have to implement to be fair. Many of which, like homosexuality, would be seen as comical or gross by the vast majority, despite being just as "harmless".

Again, like it or not, homosexuality is not, and has never been on equal ground with heterosexuality, simply due to the fact that it is a sex act that is a deviation from what is physiologically appropriate. Despite cries of what is supposedly fair, homosexuals are no more entitled to having a relationship catered to them in the game than anyone else with sexual preferences that are currently considered abnormal and are being "persecuted" for them.

Except you're approaching it from the idea that the only value in life is reproduction, which is the ideology of the cancer cell, and when applied to the most advanced animals (humans, dolphins, advanced primates, among others) is but a filthy lie--sex has been practiced, non-reproductively, for social bonding and pleasure long before even humans came along. You're basically claiming that anything not oriented towards reproduction is "physiologically inappropriate," which has no merit whatsoever--people do things not oriented towards reproduction all the time. And if you're not arguing that everything not oriented towards reproduction is "inappropriate," why do you single out sex as practiced for social bonding and pleasure instead of reproduction, and not, say, video gaming in general, which is still commonly regarded as diametrically opposed to reproduction?

What's next? Are you going to say you're better than people who use birth control, because it's not "physiologically appropriate"? Or are you going to find a way to feed your ego that's remotely constructive?

[FataliTensei]

Remember not to get things to heated guys

[danman2424]

didymos1120 wrote...

danman2424 wrote...
If there were a thread with midgets complaining about not being represented in the game or not being able make "their" shepard the way they are, I would probably give them the same answer. Why would midget Shepard be funny? I can't answer that. It just would be. Although I'm sure they would be just as clueless as to why that is comical as you are.

OK, it just hit me: essentially, what this says is gay men and dwarfs deserve to be laughed at, 'cause, well, they're funny.  That's just a fact apparently. And that is what you do when something is comical, right?  You laugh at it.  Oh, and if you don't get that, you're "clueless". Wow.  

I'm curious though: does that go for all forms of dwarfism? Or are there certain particularly funny ones? Like, is primordial dwarfism the funniest? Or are achondroplastic dwarfs superior for comedic purposes?

And please, don't attempt the "Oh, I only meant if they're in video games, ME in particular" excuse.  

Sorry to disappoint but yes, in the context of Mass Effect, a midget Shepard, gay Shepard, transvestite Shepard, etc. would be laughed at.

I know that's not exactly as politically correct as you would like, but that would be the case nonetheless.

[Some Geth]

As Geth We don't need sex from women or men but We do love the love of a KROGAN...

[danman2424]

Allison W wrote...


Except you're approaching it from the idea that the only value in life is reproduction, which is the ideology of the cancer cell, and when applied to the most advanced animals (humans, dolphins, advanced primates, among others) is but a filthy lie--sex has been practiced, non-reproductively, for social bonding and pleasure long before even humans came along. You're basically claiming that anything not oriented towards reproduction is "physiologically inappropriate," which has no merit whatsoever--people do things not oriented towards reproduction all the time. And if you're not arguing that everything not oriented towards reproduction is "inappropriate," why do you single out sex as practiced for social bonding and pleasure instead of reproduction, and not, say, video gaming in general, which is still commonly regarded as diametrically opposed to reproduction?

What's next? Are you going to say you're better than people who use birth control, because it's not "physiologically appropriate"? Or are you going to find a way to feed your ego that's remotely constructive?

Where did I once say that sex had to be in the interest of procreation? I said it is very clear which two go together. Human male and human woman. Birth control or cervical cancer wouldn't change that.

Modifié par danman2424, 28 février 2010 - 03:39 .

[PyroFreak301]

danman2424 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

danman2424 wrote...
 I do not, however, agree with the growing idea that being a nice person means you should be able to *boink* whatever you like.

What about two nice people that both want to *boink* eachother?

Even if those 2 happen to be of the same sex, same bloodline, etc.?

Hmm now that is something I have always thought about, and once again, am not sure how I feel about it. I don't think I'd ever be able to get get over seeing such deviations as strange or funny.

You're too quick to group homosexuality and incest under the same banner. It doesn't take deep inspection to realise that the two are different in quite a few different aspects; they're different things and should be treated as such.

I'd make a wager that most sex had today is for pleasure rather than reproduction. In that sense it's arguably not deviation at all... the only thing questioning it is societies sense of 'norms'.

[FataliTensei]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

danman2424 wrote...
 I do not, however, agree with the growing idea that being a nice person means you should be able to *boink* whatever you like.

What about two nice people that both want to *boink* eachother?

Even if those 2 happen to be of the same sex, same bloodline, etc.?

Hmm now that is something I have always thought about, and once again, am not sure how I feel about it. I don't think I'd ever be able to get get over seeing such deviations as strange or funny.

You're too quick to group homosexuality and incest under the same banner. It doesn't take deep inspection to realise that the two are different in quite a few different aspects; they're different things and should be treated as such.

I'd make a wager that most sex had today is for pleasure rather than reproduction. In that sense it's arguably not deviation at all... the only thing questioning it is societies sense of 'norms'.

I'm in a sociology class right now and you really see how much these norms are enforced in society, but I digress

Stay on topic folks

[Erode_The_Soul]

danman2424 wrote...
Sorry to disappoint but yes, in the context of Mass Effect, a midget Shepard, gay Shepard, transvestite Shepard, etc. would be laughed at.

I know that's not exactly as politically correct as you would like, but that would be the case nonetheless.

I think the problem here is that you are taking your personal feelings and projecting them onto the Mass Effect audience as a whole. You're using your own personal opinion that those characters would be funny and assuming everyone who looks at those characters would think the same, then using that to then say "Well, everyone will think those characters are goofy, don't put them in." It doesn't work like that because not everyone who sees a gay Shepard is going to find it as hilarious as you.

Modifié par Erode_The_Soul, 28 février 2010 - 03:42 .

[danman2424]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

danman2424 wrote...
 I do not, however, agree with the growing idea that being a nice person means you should be able to *boink* whatever you like.

What about two nice people that both want to *boink* eachother?

Even if those 2 happen to be of the same sex, same bloodline, etc.?

Hmm now that is something I have always thought about, and once again, am not sure how I feel about it. I don't think I'd ever be able to get get over seeing such deviations as strange or funny.

You're too quick to group homosexuality and incest under the same banner. It doesn't take deep inspection to realise that the two are different in quite a few different aspects; they're different things and should be treated as such.

Why? What objection do you have to a consensual sexual encounter in which no one is being hurt?

[danman2424]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

danman2424 wrote...
Sorry to disappoint but yes, in the context of Mass Effect, a midget Shepard, gay Shepard, transvestite Shepard, etc. would be laughed at.

I know that's not exactly as politically correct as you would like, but that would be the case nonetheless.

I think the problem here is that you are taking your personal feelings and projecting them onto the Mass Effect audience as a whole. You're using your own personal opinion that those characters would be funny and assuming everyone who looks at those characters would think the same, then using that to then say "Well, everyone will think those characters are goofy, don't put them in." It doesn't work like that because not everyone who sees a gay Shepard is going to find it as hilarious as you.

Look me in the eyes and tell me you wouldn't find midget Shepard to be comical.