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[cutthecameras]

"Just because you have a strange desire doesn't mean you have to act on it"
Signed,
Every homophobic bigot in the universe

Arik7 wrote...

I think we should all thank danman2424 for
bumping our thread from the start, however his off-topic moral
arguments are better left ignored.

Damn right.

[FataliTensei]

danman2424 wrote...

FataliTensei wrote...


Danman i remember you posting in another thread where someone already explained this to you

All I want you to do is please repeat that explanation because I must have missed it.

It was the "compromise on a same sex romance option" thread, if you had read my other post you would know that

look all i'm asking is that you come up with some new material, your rehashing is getting boring

also stay on topic

[Ryzaki]

danman2424 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

Because incest has the potential for harmful consequences,

And if the male has had a vasectomy? The female has had her tubes tied? What objection then? No objection? What if they simply don't want to have children? What if the relationship is between a brother and a brother, sister and sister, mother and daughter, father or son? No objections? I take it you'd say "sure, let them be happy"?

Actually...I would. No problem. As long as the sexual relationshsip started when both people were of age or only 2 years apart and over the age of 16. No problem at all.

If on the other hand if we get some Genji nonsense with the father grooming his daughter to be his bride from the age of 13 hell no.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 février 2010 - 04:07 .

[didymos1120]

OK, on a more constructive note:

You know what'd be damn interesting?  To hear what the VAs think of all this, especially those who had the same-sex versions of their dialogues cut.  It would also be another nice way to debunk certain persistent claims about what was and was not originally in the game.  I imagine many of them would be quite receptive to a polite and articulate email asking for their thoughts on the general subject.  This isn't exactly the same thing, but "Mordin" responded to an email from a GameFAQs user recently:

Whoo, I just got a email from Mordin Solus! His VA at least....

It's at least a sort of "proof-of-concept" for this.

It might not be a bad idea to come up with a single letter on this topic which could be mailed, emphasizing that there's no expectation that they must reply and that they won't be pestered should they choose not to, and then make it so all supporters could add their signature (level of detail left up to the signee, of course).  Though it may turn out to be the case, I have trouble believing we wouldn't get at least one response, and an honest one at that.

[PyroFreak301]

danman2424 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

Because incest has the potential for harmful consequences,

And if the male has had a vasectomy? The female has had her tubes tied? What objection then? No objection? What if they simply don't want to have children? What if the relationship is between a brother and a brother, sister and sister, mother and daughter, father or son? No objections? I take it you'd say "sure, let them be happy"?

I'm not discussing it here, you can PM me if you're genuinely interested in discussing it.

Modifié par PyroFreak301, 28 février 2010 - 04:08 .

[FataliTensei]

cutthecameras wrote...

"Just because you have a strange desire doesn't mean you have to act on it"
Signed,
Every homophobic bigot in the universe

Arik7 wrote...

I think we should all thank danman2424 for
bumping our thread from the start, however his off-topic moral
arguments are better left ignored.

Damn right.

Agreed, weneed to stop his derailing of this thread

[TheGondola]

On a related note which current squaddie or npc would you like to be gay or bi?

[danman2424]

Allison W wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

Allison W wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

Allison W wrote...


Except you're approaching it from the idea that the only value in life is reproduction, which is the ideology of the cancer cell, and when applied to the most advanced animals (humans, dolphins, advanced primates, among others) is but a filthy lie--sex has been practiced, non-reproductively, for social bonding and pleasure long before even humans came along. You're basically claiming that anything not oriented towards reproduction is "physiologically inappropriate," which has no merit whatsoever--people do things not oriented towards reproduction all the time. And if you're not arguing that everything not oriented towards reproduction is "inappropriate," why do you single out sex as practiced for social bonding and pleasure instead of reproduction, and not, say, video gaming in general, which is still commonly regarded as diametrically opposed to reproduction?

What's next? Are you going to say you're better than people who use birth control, because it's not "physiologically appropriate"? Or are you going to find a way to feed your ego that's remotely constructive?

Where did I once say that sex had to be in the interest of procreation? I said it is very clear which two go together. Human male and human woman. Birth control or cervical cancer wouldn't change that.

For procreation, yes--except you present it as superior not for procreation, but because you think it should be obvious that "this is how (straight people) do things." Do you regard those who don't share the same instinctive urges as inferior? Or superior? Because inequality necessitates one of the two. Or do you think that no one could possibly lack the instinctive urge to mate with the opposite biological sex via PIV intercourse, and only to mate with the opposite biological sex via PIV intercourse?

Once again, I'm not sure how to regard those that lack "the instinctive urges" as you call them, or deviate from man on woman. I certainly don't hate them, but i'm not sure at all about whether they should be allowed to act on these desires just because they have them. Many people have all kinds of strange desires that they don't act on.

I don't know. Why should people interested in man-on-woman PIV be allowed to act on those urges just because they have them, when reproduction could be done with turkey basters?

I see the point is lost on you. The penis and vagina go together, thus male and female go together. Procreation doesn't have to be a part of it. They can engage in oral sex for all that matters. Either way, those are the 2 sexes that belong and we are given a very clear biological directive as evidence. Any other mix of partners is deviating from that fact.

[FataliTensei]

didymos1120 wrote...

OK, on a more constructive note:

You know what'd be damn interesting?  To hear what the VAs think of all this, especially those who had the same-sex versions of their dialogues cut.  It would also be another nice way to debunk certain persistent claims about what was and was not originally in the game.  I imagine many of them would be quite receptive to a polite and articulate email asking for their thoughts on the general subject.  This isn't exactly the same thing, but "Mordin" responded to an email from a GameFAQs user recently:

Whoo, I just got a email from Mordin Solus! His VA at least....

It's at least a sort of "proof-of-concept" for this.

It might not be a bad idea to come up with a single letter on this topic which could be mailed, emphasizing that there's no expectation that they must reply and that they won't be pestered should they choose not to, and then make it so all supporters could add their signature (level of detail left up to the signee, of course).  Though it may turn out to be the case, I have trouble believing we wouldn't get at least one response, and an honest one at that.

That's an interesting idea and it; really cool mordin's VA replied

but even if we did do that, we gotta remember these are actors and actresses ad have busy schedules and the email would have to be very well written, also we would have to make absolutely sure we don;t pester them in anyway

[danman2424]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

Because incest has the potential for harmful consequences,

And if the male has had a vasectomy? The female has had her tubes tied? What objection then? No objection? What if they simply don't want to have children? What if the relationship is between a brother and a brother, sister and sister, mother and daughter, father or son? No objections? I take it you'd say "sure, let them be happy"?

I'm not discussing it here, you can PM me if you're genuinely interested in discussing it.

Fine I'll stop. I guess things are getting a bit derailed.

[Arik7]

TheGondola wrote...

On a related note which current squaddie or npc would you like to be gay or bi?

Kaidan please! 

[FataliTensei]

TheGondola wrote...

On a related note which current squaddie or npc would you like to be gay or bi?

Kaidan, just because his was the most completed out of all the cancelled male ones and there were some....ho-yayish moments in the first game

Modifié par FataliTensei, 28 février 2010 - 04:14 .

[PyroFreak301]

danman2424 wrote...

I see the point is lost on you. The penis and vagina go together, thus male and female go together. Procreation doesn't have to be a part of it. They can engage in oral sex for all that matters. Either way, those are the 2 sexes that belong and we are given a very clear biological directive as evidence. Any other mix of partners is deviating from that fact.

People have asked you to drop it, this discussion doesn't belong in this thread.

EDIT: You beat me to it.

Modifié par PyroFreak301, 28 février 2010 - 04:15 .

[FataliTensei]

danman2424 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

Because incest has the potential for harmful consequences,

And if the male has had a vasectomy? The female has had her tubes tied? What objection then? No objection? What if they simply don't want to have children? What if the relationship is between a brother and a brother, sister and sister, mother and daughter, father or son? No objections? I take it you'd say "sure, let them be happy"?

I'm not discussing it here, you can PM me if you're genuinely interested in discussing it.

Fine I'll stop. I guess things are getting a bit derailed.

I've been saying that to you for the past few pages

[Clay Curragh]

Arik7 wrote...

TheGondola wrote...

On a related note which current squaddie or npc would you like to be gay or bi?

Kaidan please! 

I second that

[DaeJi]

Lets try to stay on the subject of Mass Effect.

TheGondola wrote...

On a related note which current squaddie or npc would you like to be gay or bi?

If I could only have one of each for a DLC, Tali for females and Thane for males. Now, I think Kaidan would be a great M/M romance and something that they can do in an expansion or Mass Effect 3 (would really love an expansion though; Dragon Age got one!). A lot of people find him attractive and he has a lot of qualities that you would want in a romantic partner (a small aside, I never liked the word "Lover," sounds too unserious to me). If I could pick only one male for a same sex romance, I would pick Kaidan.

And Tali for females.

Yeah, I'm one of those Tali people.

Okay, not one of those Tali people, but you know...

[PyroFreak301]

Tali would definitely have to be bi. There was too much built up for nothing to be going on.



Jack could also fit the role easily.

[danman2424]

Clay Curragh wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

TheGondola wrote...

On a related note which current squaddie or npc would you like to be gay or bi?

Kaidan please! 

I second that

Any chance we can get default male Shepard to clone himself and have sex with himself in the game? He is definitely the hottest character model! <3

[didymos1120]

TheGondola wrote...

On a related note which current squaddie or npc would you like to be gay or bi?

Tali, because as it is they turned her into a tease for FemSheps. I fully expected the opposite, having learned beforehand that they'd chickened out even with FemShep this time around, and was rather surprised at the conversation I ended up having with her.  And Jack, not because I'd personally bother, but because it just makes no damn sense that she won't at least have meaningless renegade sex with FemShep . If you're gonna have a double-standard, at least try not to be so obvious about it, especially when said character specifically mentions she has no boyfriend or girlfriend, and that she regularly shared a bed with a male/female couple.

[PyroFreak301]

danman2424 wrote...

Clay Curragh wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

TheGondola wrote...

On a related note which current squaddie or npc would you like to be gay or bi?

Kaidan please! 

I second that

Any chance we can get default male Shepard to clone himself and have sex with himself in the game? He is definitely the hottest character model! <3

If cloning were available, I think Cerberus would have cloned Shepard quite a few times.

What's better than 1 super-soldier single handedly saving the galaxy?
An army of super-soldiers each capable of single handedly saving the galaxy!

[Teryx]

TheGondola wrote...

On a related note which current squaddie or npc would you like to be gay or bi?

I would like to see Kaiden as an option for a male/male romance.  I honestly could live without a male/male romance option in the ME2 crew, but if I had to choose, I suppose I'd have to say Jacob.  Or Thane.  Or hell, both!  More options never hurt anyone. 

[jlb524]

TheGondola wrote...

On a related note which current squaddie or npc would you like to be gay or bi?

Jack, but just bi.  I don't think 'lesbian' suits her.

[danman2424]

Pteryx wrote...

TheGondola wrote...

On a related note which current squaddie or npc would you like to be gay or bi?

I would like to see Kaiden as an option for a male/male romance.  I honestly could live without a male/male romance option in the ME2 crew, but if I had to choose, I suppose I'd have to say Jacob.  Or Thane.  Or hell, both!  More options never hurt anyone. 

Throw Captain Anderson in there too pleeeez!

[Jimmy Fury]

didymos1120 wrote...

OK, on a more constructive note:

You know what'd be damn interesting?  To hear what the VAs think of all this, especially those who had the same-sex versions of their dialogues cut.  It would also be another nice way to debunk certain persistent claims about what was and was not originally in the game.  I imagine many of them would be quite receptive to a polite and articulate email asking for their thoughts on the general subject.  This isn't exactly the same thing, but "Mordin" responded to an email from a GameFAQs user recently:

Whoo, I just got a email from Mordin Solus! His VA at least....

It's at least a sort of "proof-of-concept" for this.

It might not be a bad idea to come up with a single letter on this topic which could be mailed, emphasizing that there's no expectation that they must reply and that they won't be pestered should they choose not to, and then make it so all supporters could add their signature (level of detail left up to the signee, of course).  Though it may turn out to be the case, I have trouble believing we wouldn't get at least one response, and an honest one at that.

That's a really good point... Especially considering Mark Meer does drag every halloween
More importantly Keythe Farley (Thane) was in And The Band Played On and a movie call F*g Hag, and Liz Sroka (Tali) is playing "Femme Lez" in a lesbian Short film.  So we know it's incredibly unlikely either of them had a problem with VAing a gay relationship.

[DaeJi]

jlb524 wrote...


Jack, but just bi.  I don't think 'lesbian' suits her.

Well, when talking love interest it's bi or straight with them.

Now, if we are talking about non love interests... hmmm... You know, I was getting really weird vides off Zaeed. You know, how he and another man started a merc gang together, split the work load into a equal partnership, spent years in a commited relationship only for one of them to betray the other, and the wounded party then spending 20 years seeking him out to get closure...

Just saying.