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[SirGladiator]

Thats a good point, as a FemShep player it doesn't bother me at all that there are so many male romance options, its easy enough to ignore that. It only bothers me that the female romance options aren't available also, the ones I'd actually be interested in .

[didymos1120]

Drakerex wrote...
Or do you seriously think that a gay Shepard is as fast to punch a salarian worker in the face and do a funny comment about it?

Two words:  Ronald Kray

Meaner than the meanest of Renegade Sheps.  He'd have probably just shot the Salarian, and skipped that punching nonsense. Still would have cracked a joke though. Also, just so happened to not like girls. 

[didymos1120]

Drakerex wrote...

Sheppard-Grunt that is best left ..... even unimagined.. Even though the chief said that a lot of female Krogans where interested to Grunt and 1 to Shepard...Seeing nightmares...

Even if you're playing FemShep, you still get a breeding request.

[Fade9wayz]

didymos1120 wrote...

Drakerex wrote...

Sheppard-Grunt that is best left ..... even unimagined.. Even though the chief said that a lot of female Krogans where interested to Grunt and 1 to Shepard...Seeing nightmares...

Even if you're playing FemShep, you still get a breeding request.

To be fair, he wasn't making reference to a Mshep/MKrogan relationship only. I also have trouble picturing a human/krogan intercourse as anything but painful for the human -winces-. Although that can appeal to some people, that is not the purpose of this thread, I believe.

-sighs- I shouldn't have mentionned Krogans

Modifié par Fade9wayz, 01 mars 2010 - 10:40 .

[Temper_Graniteskul]

didymos1120 wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...
Bioware has already promised that no decision in Mass Effect is more canon than the others.

This was held to rather deftly in Ascension, which starts right after ME1. It manages to describe Shep's recent
fame, the assault on the Citadel, and the alteration of the Council without actually providing any details and the descriptions still fit no matter what you personally chose in your ME1 game.

The asari method of parthenogenesis is quite unique to their species, and completely fictional to boot. Real all-female species do exist, but they don't use psychic powers in their reproduction. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png

True enough, but I think it's fairly likely the Asari were partly inspired by those aforementioned whiptail lizards.  They don't need to do it, but one lizard almost always assumes the "father" role when a particular lizard goes into egg-laying mode, and they simulate copulation. Doing so increases fecundity.  Plus, Asari have those scale-like features on the scalp.

There's another interesting parallel, though discovered too late to be a factor in inventing the Asari: they're all polyploid and use an unusual method of recombination, with the result that the daughters are never simple
clones of their mother.

Another possible set of insprational candidates would be bdelloid rotifers. They ditched sexual reproduction ~80 million years ago, but still managed to speciate over and over and over in the meantime, which has been semi-jokingly called an "evolutionary scandal" (to the delight of creationists). They also have an unusual method of upping diversity: they've basically "stolen" genes from other species, be they bacterial, fungal, or plant. This too came to light well after ME1's release, but it's interesting that these rotifers actually do something not too unlike what Asari claim to be able to.

Probably the best candidate (besides just general osmosis from SF over the years) though is the  "parthenogenetic" mouse Kaguya, born with human assistance back in 2004. That story got a fair bit of
attention at the time, and not just in the science press.

I'd like to personally thank you for not only crafting a cogent post, but also including a mention of bdelloid rotifers.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/heart.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Temper_Graniteskul, 01 mars 2010 - 10:36 .

[cutthecameras]

SirGladiator wrote...

Thats a good point, as a FemShep player it doesn't bother me at all that there are so many male romance options, its easy enough to ignore that. It only bothers me that the female romance options aren't available also, the ones I'd actually be interested in .

This.

[tyddrwsau]

Drakerex wrote...
(Yea i am narrow minded and all that crap but u have to admit that most SERIOUS gamers are with me).

I've been playing roleplaying games since the 70s, and computer games since the 80s. Through the course of this hobby, I've had the fortune to meet a lot of cool people who share these interests. I've got to say, most SERIOUS gamers I've ever met are quite open minded.

Modifié par tyddrwsau, 01 mars 2010 - 01:54 .

[The Uncanny]

Fade9wayz wrote...

As for the Paragon/Renegade love-wheel, that is a good idea, although I have trouble imagining the renegade option working outside of a one-night stand kind of thing, or on a krogan...

Oh... I don't know... Say you bring your chosen LI up to your quarters for some 'personal time' and before they can catch a breath you've grabbed them roughly by the shoulders and thrown them down on the bed. They look up at you - eyes glazed with lust and just a hint of fear. Moving across them you CENSORED their CENSORED before you CENSORED really hard and by this time CENSORED it takes CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED with a chicken.

Yes, I can definitely see that working.

[Goat_Shepard]

SirGladiator wrote...

Thats a good point, as a FemShep player it doesn't bother me at all that there are so many male romance options, its easy enough to ignore that. It only bothers me that the female romance options aren't available also, the ones I'd actually be interested in .

So many options? I thought Male and Female had the same amount in both games. 

[Fade9wayz]

The Uncanny wrote...

Fade9wayz wrote...

As for the Paragon/Renegade love-wheel, that is a good idea, although I have trouble imagining the renegade option working outside of a one-night stand kind of thing, or on a krogan...

Oh... I don't know... Say you bring your chosen LI up to your quarters for some 'personal time' and before they can catch a breath you've grabbed them roughly by the shoulders and thrown them down on the bed. They look up at you - eyes glazed with lust and just a hint of fear. Moving across them you CENSORED their CENSORED before you CENSORED really hard and by this time CENSORED it takes CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED with a chicken.

Yes, I can definitely see that working.

-laughs- Well okay, I was thinking more around the lines of attracting bees with honey rather than vinegar, but put like this, I can see that too. So we need to implement a Renegade/Paragon sex-wheel after using the Renegade/Paragon romance wheel to lure the vic... err, love interest in our lair.

edit: forgot the but, thebutttt

Modifié par Fade9wayz, 01 mars 2010 - 02:46 .

[Goat_Shepard]

Fade9wayz wrote...

The Uncanny wrote...

Fade9wayz wrote...

As for the Paragon/Renegade love-wheel, that is a good idea, although I have trouble imagining the renegade option working outside of a one-night stand kind of thing, or on a krogan...

Oh... I don't know... Say you bring your chosen LI up to your quarters for some 'personal time' and before they can catch a breath you've grabbed them roughly by the shoulders and thrown them down on the bed. They look up at you - eyes glazed with lust and just a hint of fear. Moving across them you CENSORED their CENSORED before you CENSORED really hard and by this time CENSORED it takes CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED with a chicken.

Yes, I can definitely see that working.

-laughs- Well okay, I was thinking more around the lines of attracting bees with honey rather than vinegar, but put like this, I can see that too. So we need to implement a Renegade/Paragon sex-wheel after using the Renegade/Paragon romance wheel to lure the vic... err, love interest in our lair.

edit: forgot the but, thebutttt

So after "Paragoning" them, you can choose the Renegade option and it not affect their liking you, but adds more versatility to romance?

[Fade9wayz]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

So after "Paragoning" them, you can choose the Renegade option and it not affect their liking you, but adds more versatility to romance?

Exactly. I doubt the devs will go that far though. Well, one can hope

[Goat_Shepard]

Fade9wayz wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

So after "Paragoning" them, you can choose the Renegade option and it not affect their liking you, but adds more versatility to romance?

Exactly. I doubt the devs will go that far though. Well, one can hope

Umm, why? Is it so difficult to not make them hate you for disagreeing with them? This subject confuses me because even though Mordin's not a LI, when talking about the Genophage, it's a Renegade option to agree with him, and Paragon to disagree, same with TIM. I wonder if Jack is the same way where if you choose Renegade options they like you better. 

[the shad0wx]

Hell and i though it was Biowares idea to have same sex romance but now I know  they didn't had a choice with this thing.
Sorry for my english.

Modifié par the shad0wx, 01 mars 2010 - 03:01 .

[The Uncanny]

Fade9wayz wrote...

-laughs- Well okay, I was thinking more around the lines of attracting bees with honey rather than vinegar, but put like this, I can see that too. So we need to implement a Renegade/Paragon sex-wheel after using the Renegade/Paragon romance wheel to lure the vic... err, love interest in our lair.

edit: forgot the but, thebutttt

Hee. Sorry, I was being naughty.

No, seriously I do think it is a really good idea. There are all kinds of relationships, right? Yes, getting some luuurve on is great, but then sometimes two people just wanna jump each other.

But what could make it paticularly interesting is if an LI with a pronounced damn-it-all-to-hell attitude was under the surface a ****cat who could only be romanced with paragon responses whilst another who exuded glacial calm and poise was actually a tiger in the bedroom and would only respond to renegade wickedness!

[Goat_Shepard]

The Uncanny wrote...

Fade9wayz wrote...

-laughs- Well okay, I was thinking more around the lines of attracting bees with honey rather than vinegar, but put like this, I can see that too. So we need to implement a Renegade/Paragon sex-wheel after using the Renegade/Paragon romance wheel to lure the vic... err, love interest in our lair.

edit: forgot the but, thebutttt

Hee. Sorry, I was being naughty.

No, seriously I do think it is a really good idea. There are all kinds of relationships, right? Yes, getting some luuurve on is great, but then sometimes two people just wanna jump each other.

But what could make it paticularly interesting is if an LI with a pronounced damn-it-all-to-hell attitude was under the surface a ****cat who could only be romanced with paragon responses whilst another who exuded glacial calm and poise was actually a tiger in the bedroom and would only respond to renegade wickedness!

There would be many happy people (me). But wasn't Jack a "jump -your-bones" gal? I never fully romanced her but got as far as the option to do it right then and there, can you keep pursuing the romance if you choose that Renegade option?

By the way Tali is that tiger  without the Renegade.

[Fade9wayz]

[quote]The Uncanny wrote...

Hee. Sorry, I was being naughty.

No, seriously I do think it is a really good idea. There are all kinds of relationships, right? Yes, getting some luuurve on is great, but then sometimes two people just wanna jump each other.[/quote]

I know, we had Kelly for that . She does take her duty of monitoring stress in the crew very seriously. It's just that all the squaddies LIs ususally involve long drowned-out discussions. So far the only one who offers the option of a quickie or luuuurve is Jack, if I'm not mistaken. And Jack isn't open for FemShep....

[/quote]

But what could make it paticularly interesting is if an LI with a pronounced damn-it-all-to-hell attitude was under the surface a ****cat who could only be romanced with paragon responses whilst another who exuded glacial calm and poise was actually a tiger in the bedroom and would only respond to renegade wickedness! [/quote]

I agree, and we might actually have to think a little to romance them. Just hitting the paragon option to be sure to score them is a bit dull..

Modifié par Fade9wayz, 01 mars 2010 - 03:17 .

[The Uncanny]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

There would be many happy people (me). But wasn't Jack a "jump -your-bones" gal? I never fully romanced her but got as far as the option to do it right then and there, can you keep pursuing the romance if you choose that Renegade option?
By the way Tali is that tiger  without the Renegade.

I wish Jack were but nooooo she didn't want to play. As I understand it she will get up close and personal with Maleshep at the drop of a hat - but then considers herself used and blanks him thereafter. (You go, girl!) However, if instead you peel back the psychological layers of Jack to get at the sensitive girl beneath (Oh brother...) then she will melt into your heteronormative arms. The end.

Yeah, I can see Tali being quite the reverse! That whole demure thing she has going on... the minute you were alone with her she'd be on you like stink on cheese!

The Uncanny wrote...

But what could make it particularly interesting is if an LI with a pronounced damn-it-all-to-hell attitude was under the surface a ****cat who could only be romanced with paragon responses...

I can't believe that got censored! Context, people! Context!

[Fade9wayz]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

There would be many happy people (me). But wasn't Jack a "jump -your-bones" gal? I never fully romanced her but got as far as the option to do it right then and there, can you keep pursuing the romance if you choose that Renegade option?

By the way Tali is that tiger  without the Renegade.

I believe so. Never played Mshep though. So I'm going with hear-say and youtube vids that could very well be mods for all I know <_<

[Wittand25]

Nice ideas about the romance wheel, but to get back to the topic of same-sex romances:

Many posters have expressed concern that unlocking a same-sex romance would be a retcon and a change of their personality. I do not agree with this opinion but I do understand their concern.
So I would suggest that if Bioware does indeed decide to open up some of the romances the patch/DLC would add the option to activate/deactivate those romances at character creation. Normally I dont approve of making such content toggleable in the options or at another place but considering that it would be a postrelease change to the characters  it would be a acceptable compromise with those that want their npcs stay exactly as they were at release.
I mention this option because I dont believe unlocking  romance options will come as stand-alone DLC, but only as part of an bigger DLC that also adds other missions. Because I dont think that a pure romance DLC would sell enough and would also lead to the question why the player has to pay extra for same-sex romances when the straight ones are free.
For those saying that a change to the existing romances will never happen I want to say Bioware themself have set a precedent for altering a npc´s sexual orientation when they changed Juhani in Kotor from beeing available for both Revans to beeing exclusively for female ones.

[Fade9wayz]

Rhaaaa, double-post

Modifié par Fade9wayz, 01 mars 2010 - 03:24 .

[The Uncanny]

Fade9wayz wrote...

I agree, and we might actually have to think a little to romance them. Just hitting the paragon option to be sure to score them is a bit dull..

This.

Except the paragon option with Garrus is to tell him you're not sure crossing the species divide is such a great plan. Funny... I don't remember my Shep having those concerns with Liara...

[Fade9wayz]

Wittand25 wrote...

 Because I dont think that a pure romance DLC would sell enough and would also lead to the question why the player has to pay extra for same-sex romances when the straight ones are free.

Very true, which is the reason I'd prefer well-written same-sex romances in ME3, with a totally new or past just-out-of-the-closet squaddie rather than a dlc. That and I'm not sure anything in a dlc will follow through in ME3 as part of the main story.

[Wittand25]

Fade9wayz wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

 Because I dont think that a pure romance DLC would sell enough and would also lead to the question why the player has to pay extra for same-sex romances when the straight ones are free.

Very true, which is the reason I'd prefer well-written same-sex romances in ME3, with a totally new or past just-out-of-the-closet squaddie rather than a dlc. That and I'm not sure anything in a dlc will follow through in ME3 as part of the main story.

That ME3 has a m/m romance is also my main concern, but a part of me simply cant wait that long and hopes for something before then, even just turning engineer Kenneth into a Kelly-like stress release for both Shepards or something similar.

Modifié par Wittand25, 01 mars 2010 - 03:49 .

[Servo to the bitter end]

I honestly think they'd have to tread carefully in adding any new romance options in ME3, s/s or otherwise.  If ME3 is the dramatic finale, then we want to see how the relationships we've pursued tie into the story in the end.  That's not to say that having new LIs in ME3 would take anything away from that.  But having any focus placed on new ones would just seem trite, since the other options would have had a game or two to build up to the climactic (heh) end.  There are some ways that they could add a new set of relationships to ME3, but for it to really work well within the context of the narrative, they'd have to make some choices with the flow of the story in the last game that I kind of don't see them making.

Ideally, this is added to ME2 via DLC or expansion - I feel that's the best way of handling it.