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[vhatever]

Homos have been purged from the genepool, just like fat people in ME universe.

[Arik7]

Mordigan wrote...

Arik7 wrote...
What I find really odd is you claiming to know better than a BioWare staff member, whether he personally worked on the first game or not.  

Only FemShep/Ashley dialog and animations were fully completed.  The MShep/Kaidan romance is incomplete.  I guess the FemShep/Ashley romance was left out for the sake of "fairness"..... 

This reasoning might work for one game, but for two?

Come on...

The same-sex dialog is rare on the ME2 disk.   Apparently the decision to cut same-sex romances was made much earlier in the development.   We don't know the actual reason yet....

[Ryzaki]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Darkstar87uk wrote...

Maybe they ran out of time and didn't feel same sex relationships were that important?

That's a perfectly valid excuse for ME1 but what about ME2? 

Could well have been time restraints as well.

It's quite likely that gay romances were given lower priority to other aspects in the game and never got finished before they hit the deadline.

Lower than fish tanks that...kelly stripper dance and space hamsters?  That hurts BioWare. That...really hurts.

Though honestly I'd take DLC helms being removeable over all of those things and the lack of s/s options. And bloody skippable openings. :bandit:And a better character creator with male hair that doesn't suck and is shoulder length.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 02 mars 2010 - 03:23 .

[PyroFreak301]

Ryzaki wrote...

^But FemShepxLiara and FemShepxKelly does the same thing. XD

And they've gotten a bit of backlash from fans for the apparent injustice even in that. One isn't even a real romance. Adding 2 real romances for FShep but none for MShep would come across as even worse than an absense of gay romances.

[tyddrwsau]

Mordigan wrote...

Arik7 wrote...
What I find really odd is you claiming to know better than a BioWare staff member, whether he personally worked on the first game or not.  

Only FemShep/Ashley dialog and animations were fully completed.  The MShep/Kaidan romance is incomplete.  I guess the FemShep/Ashley romance was left out for the sake of "fairness"..... 

This reasoning might work for one game, but for two?

One might imagine that is why a group of Mass Effect enthusiasts frequent this forum to encourage BioWare to finish what they've started. Anyone can provide plenty of plausible reasons why BioWare didn't put complete same-sex romances in ME1&2 - obviously, they didn't! They also started work on them, in addition to completing 9 romance plots and a sexeh secretary. We approve of them starting. We'd enjoy the finished material. Hoorah.

[tyddrwsau]

PyroFreak301 wrote...
It's quite likely that gay romances were given lower priority to other aspects in the game and never got finished before they hit the deadline.

Ah, like the Hammerhead tank, or Shale from Dragon Age? 

I've got to say, from the death-by-thousand-papercuts microtransactions angle the DLC thing can be a terribly cynical marketing ploy. But from the creative angle of continuing to polish and execute unfinished ideas in a game after release, it's pretty darned nifty.

[PyroFreak301]

rynluna wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

^But FemShepxLiara and FemShepxKelly does the same thing. XD

And they've gotten a bit of backlash from fans for the apparent injustice even in that. One isn't even a real romance. Adding 2 real romances for FShep but none for MShep would come across as even worse than an absense of gay romances.

I am a girl gamer who was lucky enough to get the chance to romance Liara but I have to say it is quite unfair that Femshep gets 2 options and you M/M fans get zilch!<_<

Don't get me wrong, I all for the inclusion of same sex relationships for both sides. I'm just saying if MShep/Kaiden didn't get finished, the taking out a completed FShep/Ash was probably a good idea. Liara on the other hand seemed the perfect character to be bisexual, being an all female race.

[Ryzaki]

tyddrwsau wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...
It's quite likely that gay romances were given lower priority to other aspects in the game and never got finished before they hit the deadline.

Ah, like the Hammerhead tank, or Shale from Dragon Age? 

I've got to say, from the death-by-thousand-papercuts microtransactions angle the DLC thing can be a terribly cynical marketing ploy. But from the creative angle of continuing to polish and execute unfinished ideas in a game after release, it's pretty darned nifty.

I like DLC. As long as its not on the disc when its shipped. That hits my beserk button.

[PyroFreak301]

Ryzaki wrote...

tyddrwsau wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...
It's quite likely that gay romances were given lower priority to other aspects in the game and never got finished before they hit the deadline.

Ah, like the Hammerhead tank, or Shale from Dragon Age? 

I've got to say, from the death-by-thousand-papercuts microtransactions angle the DLC thing can be a terribly cynical marketing ploy. But from the creative angle of continuing to polish and execute unfinished ideas in a game after release, it's pretty darned nifty.

I like DLC. As long as its not on the disc when its shipped. That hits my beserk button.

I can understand content being on disk to an extent. If it's been developed alongside the main game by a DLC team, it makes sense to have it on disk to save players downloading much on release day. If they start cutting huge chunks from game like multi-player to sell later, then it becomes extortionate.

[Arik7]

Btw, Fight for the Love has now surpassed the Gay Wardens with 456 members.... Way to go!

[JaylaClark]

Arik7 wrote...

Btw, Fight for the Love has now surpassed the Gay Wardens with 456 members.... Way to go!

Wow, I feel special

Though reading over the past two pages or so, I've gotten the second indication that I should've picked up ME1 for the PC instead of waiting for my 360 to be repaired for ME2.  (If I'd spent ten dollars net more, not only would I have the game on my PC instead of on the communal TV, and yes this has been an issue during the Olympics *sighs*, but I'd be able to romance Ash with nothing but a mod?  I mean, she may not be my blue goddess, but it's nice to have the option...)

[WilliamShatner]

didymos1120 wrote...

TommyServo wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

Although now BioWare has flip flopped and considers each game a stand alone title.

Ew.  Really?  Who said that?

As far as I know, no one.  They seem to keep calling it a trilogy and ME2 the "middle-chapter" in everything I've been seeing.  I think the confusion comes from them saying they want each game to stand-alone in the sense of being mostly comprehensible and complete if you haven't played the previous one, but there's nothing odd about that.  You hear the same rhetoric about movie trilogies all the time...and also it's basically never true: yeah, you really do need to watch 'em all because you will not understand everything.  I wouldn't waste time worrying about it.

CaseyH-ME2:[/b] Each Mass Effect game is designed to be a stand-alone
piece of fiction. So you don't need to have played ME1 to really enjoy
ME2. ME2 has a self-explanatory beginning that will suck in players new
to the universe, and it has deeply satisfying ending. What players of
ME1 get is the advantage of setting certain things as a result of their
decisions, and knowing why certain things are the way they are in the
universe.

docs.google.com/View

[Charsen]

Shavon wrote...

Well, maybe we'll get Kaidan in ME3. For m/m.

One can only hope. 
I went with Liara in ME1 since she's not really female, I guess. I just wish asari looked a little androgynous... =/  She's sweet, Tali is sweet, but yeah. Need Kaidan. Actually played a femshep to achieve that. 

[FataliTensei]

Charsen wrote...

Shavon wrote...

Well, maybe we'll get Kaidan in ME3. For m/m.

One can only hope. 
I went with Liara in ME1 since she's not really female, I guess. I just wish asari looked a little androgynous... =/  She's sweet, Tali is sweet, but yeah. Need Kaidan. Actually played a femshep to achieve that. 

We can only hope we'll get Kaidan eventually

[Tsunomu]

Kaidan is and will always be my husbando. ;_;

[Zanallen]

I think Bioware needs to implement a character like shadowhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Joachim_Valentine. I mean, Shepard could obviously use a gay wrestling vampire superhero.

[Godeshus]

 I'll start by saying that the whole gay/bi issue has no meaning to me. Whatever makes you happy does not affect me in any way shape or form. Love is love and it knows no boundaries.

That being said, I do have issues with a gay/bi Shepard for the following reason:

Shepard is the epitome of masculinity and making him gay/bi reduces that impact in my eyes. If this were more a traditional roll playing game I'd have no opinion. In DAO I was thrilled that they incorporated same sex romances. It was a great move on Bioware's part and added a lot to the social interactions of the characters.

What I WOULDN'T have issue with:

If you had 2 gay/bi squadmates that made random chitchat, or even hooked up as a part of the story.

Just stay away from my Shep. I've got a man crush on him, and if Bioware made him gay/bi then it would just get weird. I'd have to tell him:

"No, Shep, you don't understand. I don't love you THAT way"

"Well, you kind of led me on"...

"I didn't mean it. I had no idea you were gay"

"So now you hate gays"?

"Dammit, Shep, that's not what I meant"!

"Well if you don't hate gays why don't you just come a little closer and cuddle up?"

"This is awkward. Your sheer awesomeness is compelling me to do so, but I don't think that's a gun in your pocket".

-Godeshus

[cutthecameras]

I don't get why people think that just because the option of being gay is there they have to take that option.

It's like, the option to jump off a cliff is always there in real life, it doesn't mean you take that option.

Modifié par cutthecameras, 02 mars 2010 - 06:25 .

[Kurt M.]

cutthecameras wrote...

It's like, the option to jump off a cliff is always there in real life, it doesn't mean you take that option.

Due to the intelligence level of many of the people here, you better not say that too loud (it may increase suicide rate).

...or yes...

[AlanC9]

You know, I've read this sort of thing a lot....

Godeshus wrote...
Shepard is the epitome of masculinity and making him gay/bi reduces that impact in my eyes.

... and it still makes no sense.

Shepard's only gay if his player makes him so. Godeshus would never see a gay Shepard because he'd never play him that way. And yet, the idea that some other player might play him that way changes how he perceives the character. 

Can someone explain how this makes any kind of sense?

[Temper_Graniteskul]

It doesn't make any sense. Every ME playthrough is its own little universe - my MaleShep has no impact on the galaxy my FemShep saved. Her Kaidan's hetero; his Kaidan's...well, bi at minimum, but preoccupied with the mission. Neither of them affect whether the Shep of anyone else is gay or bi or straight, or even whether the NPCs are. It's all a decision that's up to the player, and no different than choosing Miranda over Tali over Jack. If anything, I suppose it might be an argument for inclusion of a variant convo line 'I'm sorry, I'm only interested in you as a friend' for all potential LIs, should being friendly spark a circumspect overture

I wish the 'epitome of masculinity' thing would stop, though. The idea that gay men can't be manly and badass, or that no marine could possibly be gay? Come on. They're the men for whom no woman will do. Can't tell me that's not manly, right on the face of it.

Modifié par Temper_Graniteskul, 02 mars 2010 - 08:07 .

[Mordigan]

AlanC9 wrote...

Shepard's only gay if his player makes him so. Godeshus would never see a gay Shepard because he'd never play him that way. And yet, the idea that some other player might play him that way changes how he perceives the character. 

Can someone explain how this makes any kind of sense?

Godeshus is correct to an extent, but he didn't explain himself well enough I think...

Bioware does NOT give us full latitude to customize Shepard how we want him or her to be.  There are certain things about Shepard that are predefined..

For DudeShep, one of those things is his sexuality.

Why Bioware decided to make DudeShep's sexuality hard locked and not FemShep's, is a mystery.....but I have a few ideas as to why.

Regardless of whether you think DudeShep is canonical or not, Bioware constantly refers to Shepard as "he" or "him" publically.  I've NEVER heard Bioware refer to Shepard as she/her.  Not to say that they haven't, but I certainly haven't heard them..

This is very indicative of how Bioware views DudeShep and FemShep, even if you ignore their biased marketing approach which only uses DudeShep.

So basically, it seems that Bioware itself views Shepard as male and not female....which makes sense.  They may never say it point blank because character customization is one of their most important tenets, but their actions and words make it plain enough..

With that said, why make DudeShep straight only but give FemShep the option to be lesbian/bisexual? 

I think it may be because Bioware wants to develop a franchise from the Mass Effect Universe, and the possibility of Shepard being gay or bisexual would be a hindrance.  Western culture is still very uncomfortable with the thought of masculine heroic figures being gay, and Shepard's cool factor and status would be severely diminished if this were the case.

With FemShep though, it's not much of a concern because she isn't viewed as canonical, and lesbian/bisexual women generally have far less of a stigma attached to them compared to gay/bisexual men.

Another reason of course, is that there is less of a demand for gay male Shepard than for lesbo Shep. 

While the amount of gay male gamers undoubtedly exceeds lesbian gamers, there is a large amount of straight male gamers that play as lesbo Shep for the purpose of titillation, which drastically increases the demand for F/F material.

Just my opinion..