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[FataliTensei]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

danman2424 wrote...
Every variety of romance is most certainly not included in the game. You are limited to a few choices and all may not be to any given person's preference. Once again, your preference is not anymore special than another's, and you are not anymore entitled to being catered to.

And no one is suggesting we are.

What we are doing is letting the developers know the option for homosexual romances would be appreciated by a segment of their audience.

Apparently letting our voices be heard is self-centered now

I just want to let everyone who read know, we don't feel entitled, but if we stay quiet, the chance of anything being done is even less

Modifié par FataliTensei, 26 février 2010 - 04:32 .

[comicfan22]

Jacob's race isn't apart of this discussion so please stay on topic. :innocent:

[Octorox]

BrianWilly wrote...

Keep in mind that Thane and Tali were, evidently, designed to be bisexual options for this game but taken out at the last minute, just as Kaidan and Ashley were originally given bisexual dialogue as well but taken out at the last minute.  Does it actually change the character for original "director's cut" content to be placed back in?  Up for debate, I would say.

That's also part of what makes this frustrating for us, that the option was almost in but taken out for some unknown reason.

See youtube links in the FAQ for more information.

That is just an overwhelming number of bisexual characters though, half your ME1 party. It would also be odd if characters like Tali didn't inform you of their orientation at all, it's something you might want to know when you are going into a relationship with them.

Modifié par Octorox, 26 février 2010 - 04:34 .

[tyddrwsau]

Darth Drago wrote...
I back this idea up 100%.

-In fact I was rather shocked that there wasn’t a m/m romance in ME2 given all the possible romance options in the game. I mean why just go with the f/f relationship? Its not like there are no gay men in the universe is there? As a straight guy, I would have no problem with it if it was added. It wouldn’t change who Shepard is in my eyes in the least and I might even experiment with it as well.

-I’m not sure we would need to color code any romance dialog though, that would seem a bit out of place like if they color coded the paragon/renegade choices for you. Part of the game is talking to people and if you hit an option that starts a romance unintentionally then that is part of the fun of communicating with them. In ME1 if the other person was getting the wrong message, in other words that you were not seeking a relationship there was the “lets be friends” like response you can choose.

Thanks for the support Drago, and your thoughts! I don't much see the need for the color coding or bright flashing "warning, romance ahead!" lights myself - I've never stumbled into the romances, and had no problem staying loyal to Kaidan on my main Shepard - but I know a lot of folks do. My hubby often speaks of having to beat Liara off with a stick!

-Sorry for the long post, i know some people cant stand reading something thats longer than a few lines. lol!

Ehrm, well about that, eh... yes, that seems to be true. My concision impairment frequently afflicts my own posts.

[danman2424]

BrianWilly wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

Every variety of romance is most certainly not included in the game. You are limited to a few choices and all may not be to any given person's preference. Once again, your preference is not anymore special than another's, and you are not anymore entitled to being catered to.

What manner of romancic choice, along with gay male, would you say has also been excluded from the game?

There are no transsexual love interests, black females for men, white males for women, incestuous love interests for those that have a preference for such..... the list can go on forever.

In the end, Bioware is restricted by time, and eventually the game has to come out even if every single person hasn't had their specific preference of sex partner checked off.

[Yeled]

FataliTensei wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

Who are you? Are you Bioware?

Given the choice, yes, I think it makes much more sense for Bioware to cater to the majority rather pander to smaller groups like transsexuals, homosexuals, or any other smaller groups of people who feel they need to be represented in this video game.

I see......

I'm straight and I would like to see this option included.  Just sayin'.

[Jimmy Fury]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Makes me sad that you people are constantly asking BioWare to waste time on trivial content such as this. Instead of making a homosexual character for DLC, how about some new N7 missions that EVERYONE can enjoy?

You people are selfish beyond all measure, do you not realize how self centered these threads and requests are?

ReD, I will, again, give you the chance to actually engage in a meaningful debate. However, I won't argue with you so if that's what you're aiming for you won't get it from me. I've tried this once but you may have missed it in that thread so I will try one last time.

I will assume that you didn't bother to read the suggestions listed in the starter post of this thread. For the sake of conversation I'll summarize Suggestion 5 for you.
Use an upcoming expansion pack to include 2 new characters, one male and one female, and have only 1 of them be recruitable at the end of a set of missions. Let either one be romancable by any gender of Shepard.

This would provide everyone with a new squad mate. Which would, obviously, be enjoyable for everyone.

So not only do you and I both get a new squad mate. But if you choose the female and I choose the male, we both get a potential LI and you never have to worry about the male character hitting on your male Shepard.

Is this not a satisfactory win-win situation?

[FKA_Servo]

Just a reminder for everyone who's interested in discussing this - read the FAQ. It's very comprehensive and addresses a lot of the issues that may arise regarding the inclusion of this content.

And, for those interesting in supporting and discussing it further, join our group! You can find a link on the banner in my signature.

Play nice, folks!

[Ninja Mage]

danman2424 wrote...

BrianWilly wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

Every variety of romance is most certainly not included in the game. You are limited to a few choices and all may not be to any given person's preference. Once again, your preference is not anymore special than another's, and you are not anymore entitled to being catered to.

What manner of romancic choice, along with gay male, would you say has also been excluded from the game?

There are no transsexual love interests, black females for men, white males for women, incestuous love interests for those that have a preference for such..... the list can go on forever.

In the end, Bioware is restricted by time, and eventually the game has to come out even if every single person hasn't had their specific preference of sex partner checked off.

Please read the FAQ regarding the issue of implementing same-sex romances in a non-costly, time efficient way using DLC. This topic isn't about anything but same sex romance. Transexuals, and incest doesn't have anything to do with it.

Modifié par Ninja Mage, 26 février 2010 - 04:38 .

[jlb524]

Ryzaki wrote...

I wonder how many people used the Jacob romance. He seems not to be popular at all on these boards. And that's saying something. O_o

Ah, I'm glad you brought up the popularity thing.  BW definitely doesn't care about that as they've created a few unpopular straight romances for ME2.  Jacob is one...I doubt many FemShep players chose him.  An f/f option would have been more popular with ME2 players (especially Tali) than the Jacob romance.

For the guys, Jack wasn't a very popular LI choice.  Why include her as an option?  I bet having Thane as an m/m option would have been just as popular as her romance option for MaleShepards.

Saying that same sex romances shouldn't be included b/c they are 'unpopular' with players is a bogus argument, IMO.

[Collider]

Ninja Mage wrote...

I think it's because Jacob is black. If he were a soldier with blonde hair and a cocky attitude. all femsheps would be all ,"OH JACOB IS SO HOT!" etc

Or it could be the fact that he is overshadowed by Thane and Garrus, and the romance dialogue with Jacob sounds like femshep wants to rape him.

[Octorox]

jlb524 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I wonder how many people used the Jacob romance. He seems not to be popular at all on these boards. And that's saying something. O_o

Ah, I'm glad you brought up the popularity thing.  BW definitely doesn't care about that as they've created a few unpopular straight romances for ME2.  Jacob is one...I doubt many FemShep players chose him.  An f/f option would have been more popular with ME2 players (especially Tali) than the Jacob romance.

For the guys, Jack wasn't a very popular LI choice.  Why include her as an option?  I bet having Thane as an m/m option would have been just as popular as her romance option for MaleShepards.

Saying that same sex romances shouldn't be included b/c they are 'unpopular' with players is a bogus argument, IMO.

Jack is unpopular? I had a hard time picking between her and Tali.

[BrianWilly]

danman2424 wrote...

There are no transsexual love interests, black females for men, white males for women, incestuous love interests for those that have a preference for such..... the list can go on forever.

Kaidan is a white man and he is a carry-over romance.  He will be a romantic option in ME3 with 100% certainty.  So that base is certainly covered.

I'm not aware of anyone who felt excluded from the romantic subplots of this game just because couldn't specifically romance a black woman.  But if such a person exists, they are certainly welcome to post about it and try to gather support if they wanted to; I sure wouldn't mind.

Likewise for an incestuous romance, although I'm pretty sure I don't have to tell you why this would never happen.  I hope you're not comparing the viability of an incestuous romance with a homosexual or interracial one.

Modifié par BrianWilly, 26 février 2010 - 04:41 .

[FlyinElk212]

danman2424 wrote...

BrianWilly wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

Every variety of romance is most certainly not included in the game. You are limited to a few choices and all may not be to any given person's preference. Once again, your preference is not anymore special than another's, and you are not anymore entitled to being catered to.

What manner of romancic choice, along with gay male, would you say has also been excluded from the game?

There are no transsexual love interests, black females for men, white males for women, incestuous love interests for those that have a preference for such..... the list can go on forever.

In the end, Bioware is restricted by time, and eventually the game has to come out even if every single person hasn't had their specific preference of sex partner checked off.

If Bioware came out and specifically stated that THIS was the reason they can't, simply because there isn't enough time or resources on their part, then I think many fans would be okay with it. After all, it IS a reasonable statement, and worst comes to worse, the Same Sex supporters will still play Mass Effect and still appreciate Bioware for making such a great game.

I believe what bothers most people (myself included) is Bioware's questionable and contradicting excuses for the exclusion of same sex romances: stating that Shepard is "our" character, then "their" character, THEN stating that Liara "isn't a female, and thus there's no lesbian romances" and going creating a character like Kelly Chambers...

C'mon Bioware, just stop beating around the bush and be honest with us.

Modifié par FlyinElk212, 26 février 2010 - 04:42 .

[Ryzaki]

Octorox wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I wonder how many people used the Jacob romance. He seems not to be popular at all on these boards. And that's saying something. O_o

Ah, I'm glad you brought up the popularity thing.  BW definitely doesn't care about that as they've created a few unpopular straight romances for ME2.  Jacob is one...I doubt many FemShep players chose him.  An f/f option would have been more popular with ME2 players (especially Tali) than the Jacob romance.

For the guys, Jack wasn't a very popular LI choice.  Why include her as an option?  I bet having Thane as an m/m option would have been just as popular as her romance option for MaleShepards.

Saying that same sex romances shouldn't be included b/c they are 'unpopular' with players is a bogus argument, IMO.

Jack is unpopular? I had a hard time picking between her and Tali.

Jack is sort of overshadowed by Tali and Miranda. Vastly overshadowed.

Kind of like Jacob. Except unlike Jacob, Jack is actually more interesting than watching paint dry.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 février 2010 - 04:41 .

[Ninja Mage]

I wanted to romance Thane but ofcourse they had to cut it from the game

[danman2424]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Makes me sad that you people are constantly asking BioWare to waste time on trivial content such as this. Instead of making a homosexual character for DLC, how about some new N7 missions that EVERYONE can enjoy?

You people are selfish beyond all measure, do you not realize how self centered these threads and requests are?

ReD, I will, again, give you the chance to actually engage in a meaningful debate. However, I won't argue with you so if that's what you're aiming for you won't get it from me. I've tried this once but you may have missed it in that thread so I will try one last time.

I will assume that you didn't bother to read the suggestions listed in the starter post of this thread. For the sake of conversation I'll summarize Suggestion 5 for you.
Use an upcoming expansion pack to include 2 new characters, one male and one female, and have only 1 of them be recruitable at the end of a set of missions. Let either one be romancable by any gender of Shepard.

This would provide everyone with a new squad mate. Which would, obviously, be enjoyable for everyone.

So not only do you and I both get a new squad mate. But if you choose the female and I choose the male, we both get a potential LI and you never have to worry about the male character hitting on your male Shepard.

Is this not a satisfactory win-win situation?

Not for Bioware, who would have to spend significant time, money, and resources to create this DLC character that only a small minority of their audience will even care about in a serious manner, and the vast majority would use to turn the game into something comical.

[jlb524]

Octorox wrote...

Jack is unpopular? I had a hard time picking between her and Tali.

It seems that way.  From reading posts, most MaleShepards picked Tali or Miranda.  Jack also gets a lot of hate in general.

Modifié par jlb524, 26 février 2010 - 04:42 .

[Endurance_117]

Let's face it, romances sucked in Mass Effect, I played Heavy Rain and seen the light

Modifié par Endurance_117, 26 février 2010 - 04:42 .

[FataliTensei]

[quote]Yeled wrote...

[quote]FataliTensei wrote...

[quote]danman2424 wrote...

Who are you? Are you Bioware?

Given the choice, yes, I think it makes much more sense for Bioware to cater to the majority rather pander to smaller groups like transsexuals, homosexuals, or any other smaller groups of people who feel they need to be represented in this video game.
[/quote]

What if you were the minority here though, wouldn't you want to be represented in the game? Is it really that bad to ask to be represented in a game that we're supposed to have choices over who our character is?

[FlyinElk212]

Endurance_117 wrote...

Let's face it, romances sucked in Mass Effect, I played Heavy Rain and seen the light

Amen, brother! We should START by asking Bioware simply for more developed romances, not two or three romance dialog branches per character...but eh, what can you do.

Modifié par FlyinElk212, 26 février 2010 - 04:45 .

[danman2424]

FlyinElk212 wrote...


If Bioware came out and specifically stated that THIS was the reason they can't, simply because there isn't enough time or resources on their part, then I think many fans would be okay with it. After all, it IS a reasonable statement, and worst comes to worse, the Same Sex supporters will still play Mass Effect and still appreciate Bioware for making such a great game.

I would think that would be pretty apparent though. I don't even have to hear Bioware's response to know that the answer is pretty apparent.

[Octorox]

Ryzaki wrote...

Octorox wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I wonder how many people used the Jacob romance. He seems not to be popular at all on these boards. And that's saying something. O_o

Ah, I'm glad you brought up the popularity thing.  BW definitely doesn't care about that as they've created a few unpopular straight romances for ME2.  Jacob is one...I doubt many FemShep players chose him.  An f/f option would have been more popular with ME2 players (especially Tali) than the Jacob romance.

For the guys, Jack wasn't a very popular LI choice.  Why include her as an option?  I bet having Thane as an m/m option would have been just as popular as her romance option for MaleShepards.

Saying that same sex romances shouldn't be included b/c they are 'unpopular' with players is a bogus argument, IMO.

Jack is unpopular? I had a hard time picking between her and Tali.

Jack is sort of overshadowed by Tali and Miranda. Vastly overshadowed.

Kind of like Jacob. Except unlike Jacob, Jack is actually more interesting than watching paint dry.

Miranda definitely has sex appeal, and I like the character, but from what I experienced in my playthrough her backstory is far less compelling than Jack's.

How I see it is

Miranda = Jacob

Jack = Thane

Tali = Garrus

not in the sense that the characters are the same, but in the sense that similar people might be attracted to these relationships. Miranda/Jacob being slightly boring traditionally attractive human partner for mainstream audiences. Jack/Thane for those looking for a compelling new character with a battered soul and deep backstory. And Tali/Garrus for those looking for an old friend.

Modifié par Octorox, 26 février 2010 - 04:51 .

[FataliTensei]

danman2424 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Makes me sad that you people are constantly asking BioWare to waste time on trivial content such as this. Instead of making a homosexual character for DLC, how about some new N7 missions that EVERYONE can enjoy?

You people are selfish beyond all measure, do you not realize how self centered these threads and requests are?

ReD, I will, again, give you the chance to actually engage in a meaningful debate. However, I won't argue with you so if that's what you're aiming for you won't get it from me. I've tried this once but you may have missed it in that thread so I will try one last time.

I will assume that you didn't bother to read the suggestions listed in the starter post of this thread. For the sake of conversation I'll summarize Suggestion 5 for you.
Use an upcoming expansion pack to include 2 new characters, one male and one female, and have only 1 of them be recruitable at the end of a set of missions. Let either one be romancable by any gender of Shepard.

This would provide everyone with a new squad mate. Which would, obviously, be enjoyable for everyone.

So not only do you and I both get a new squad mate. But if you choose the female and I choose the male, we both get a potential LI and you never have to worry about the male character hitting on your male Shepard.

Is this not a satisfactory win-win situation?

Not for Bioware, who would have to spend significant time, money, and resources to create this DLC character that only a small minority of their audience will even care about in a serious manner, and the vast majority would use to turn the game into something comical.

Why is homosexualty comical to you? Can you actually give a viable reason for it, if so please go on

[Ninja Mage]

Jack reminded me of a bull...so yeah I picked Miranda