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[JediMB]

The problem with having "romance starters" in different color, I think, is that it eliminates some of the "challenge" in getting into a relationship. And, really, Mass Effect could take being a little bit more like Dragon Age in that regard.



Yeah, so... I'll just read through that FAQ now...

[Servo to the bitter end]

JediMB wrote...

The problem with having "romance starters" in different color, I think, is that it eliminates some of the "challenge" in getting into a relationship. And, really, Mass Effect could take being a little bit more like Dragon Age in that regard.

Yeah, so... I'll just read through that FAQ now...

Try talking to Jacob as FemShep.  You can't say "what up" without sounding like you're about to tie him up and jump him.  

In fact, I'm pretty sure that a lot of people started romances accidentally, just because they were trying to be nice.  This would fix that problem for everyone.

But, of course, it's just one of many suggestions.

[SimonTheFrog]

TommyServo wrote...

JediMB wrote...

The problem with having "romance starters" in different color, I think, is that it eliminates some of the "challenge" in getting into a relationship. And, really, Mass Effect could take being a little bit more like Dragon Age in that regard.

Yeah, so... I'll just read through that FAQ now...

Try talking to Jacob as FemShep.  You can't say "what up" without sounding like you're about to tie him up and jump him.  

In fact, I'm pretty sure that a lot of people started romances accidentally, just because they were trying to be nice.  This would fix that problem for everyone.

But, of course, it's just one of many suggestions.

Personally i see both sides on this one. I accidently mated with Liara (well, she entered the room and i had to give her the "need to focus on mission"-speech, which was hurting for both of us) and i can't even tell where it all went wrong... i tried to be just friends with her. But also, if you only need to go for the pink lines, it's not even like a dialog anymore. Just like clicking through for the sex scene... I want the thrill of not knowing exactly how characters will react and i also want a "way out" that doesn't hurt so much in case i misjudged a conversation line.

Mostly, it's even pretty obvious. FemShep has a line called "I want you, Thane..." so that's as pink as it can get. 

[Ryzaki]

Maybe pink for the first line in the romance to activate it and after wards just normal colored text? And that one time if you don't select the pink option the romance option will never activate?

[Wittand25]

The color code should be for any flirting response. That way your Shepard does not have sex with random npcs if you are to nice or to nasty to them (consort in ME1,...)

Modifié par Wittand25, 04 mars 2010 - 04:54 .

[techpriest1]

TommyServo wrote...
It's not an optimal solution, but it's a viable one.  Personally, my favorite way to initiate it (and any other romances) is to have the "romance starters" displayed in a different color like the paragon/renegade responses.

Option in the beginning of the game as stated by JediMB  looks like compromise to me.
Your "Romance starters" suggestion looks like forced way. I dont want to see that kind of crap in my game (i mean my "local" game of course).
Well, i accept your suggestion only if ill be able to choose addition dialogue option " kick that bastard in da space"

Modifié par techpriest1, 04 mars 2010 - 04:52 .

[Ryzaki]

Wittand25 wrote...

The color code should be for any flirting response. That way you Shepard does not have sex with random npcs if you are to nice or to nasty to them (consort in ME1,...)

You know...that's actually a good point.

...yeah that actually is necessary. Or BioWare needs to make the dialogue choices leading to that kind of thing far more obvious.

[Doctor Deepthroat]

I don't see a problem with having homosexual relationships in this game. I personally would probably never get into one, but if someone else wants their character to be a homosexual, then what is the problem? More choices make the game better.



Although I hope they don't put too much resources into this (if they decide to add it to MW3) instead of focusing them on other changes.

[diskoh]

Having a colored romance dialogue branch will also make it possible to have paragon and renegade romances. As it is, either you choose the paragon option, or you don't have a romance at all.

Modifié par diskoh, 04 mars 2010 - 04:53 .

[The Uncanny]

Ryzaki wrote...

Maybe pink for the first line in the romance to activate it and after wards just normal colored text? And that one time if you don't select the pink option the romance option will never activate?

This!

Wittand25 wrote...

Talking to any of the female LI as male Shepard is the same:

Shepard: I want to ask if you are ok after your loyality mission.

LI: Do you want a relationship ?

And if you respond with no they never talk to him again, because a blank wall is appearently more intresting than Sheppard. There is no challenge at all in completing one of the romances in ME.

That drives me crazy. "Okay I've spent a whole fifteen seconds getting you know you as a human being. Do we get to skip to the sweaty grinding now?"

[Servo to the bitter end]

Ryzaki wrote...

Maybe pink for the first line in the romance to activate it and after wards just normal colored text? And that one time if you don't select the pink option the romance option will never activate?

This is exactly how I interpret this suggestion.  I wouldn't want to have every romantic response so designated, just the initiating one.

[Servo to the bitter end]

techpriest1 wrote...

Option in the beginning of the game as stated by JediMB  looks like compromise to me.
Your "Romance starters" suggestion looks like forced way. I dont want to see that kind of crap in my game (i mean my "local" game of course).
Well, i accept your suggestion only if ill be able to choose addition dialogue option " kick that bastard in da space"

If the way they dealt with it in ME and ME2 is any indication, you would clearly have the option to turn them down and assert your orientation.

That's part of the fundamental problem a lot of people have, in fact.  FemShep can go on the record as a lesbian, even if there aren't any squadmembers for her to pursue.  She can identify unambiguously as gay.  Forget not having any gay squadmembers - MShep can't even identify as gay.  He clearly could at one point - there is recorded dialog to prove it.  Hell, they could have even left that in the game without providing any possible love interests, and it would have been something (not that I'm suggesting that they shouldn't add them obviously.  Just sayin').

Modifié par TommyServo, 04 mars 2010 - 05:06 .

[SimonTheFrog]

TommyServo wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Maybe pink for the first line in the romance to activate it and after wards just normal colored text? And that one time if you don't select the pink option the romance option will never activate?

This is exactly how I interpret this suggestion.  I wouldn't want to have every romantic response so designated, just the initiating one.

I agree of course that it's an option that should be considered by BioWare. I'm still not convinced it's my favorite I still think the dialog should be as flowing as possible, which means behave like actual dialog and not like a color mini game. But it should contain more fair warnings before the NPC jumps on you (consort: Shepard, i will not give you extra credits, but i can offer you something completely different... Shepard: Yes, i'd like that. No, not interested. Investigate... )
In a way this could also work for paragon/renegade. But it's so well established now that i wouldn't touch this one.

[Zulu_DFA]

DaeJi wrote...

[*]
[*]I'll be uncomfortable if even gay behavior is even hinted at.[/list]
This is why this topic is here. We'd like to here from both sides
of fence. How would you like to compromise this? Some of our ideas
include:

• Have you choose your crush on the import screen so if you
  choose no one as your crush then no one of the same sex will hit on
  you.
  
  
• Colored font that warns you if you click it you're be stepping
  into a relationship dialogue. We're not hoping for a Zevran type
  character we just want a normal character of the same sex who's open to
  the idea of a same-sex relationship.
  Have it implemented by way of DLC so if you don't DLC then
  there's no way you even know Thane, Tali or whomever is open to
  same-sex relationships.

Yes. Even a hint on the same (i. e. male) sex romance content included in ME3 will make me uncomfortable. Very uncomfortable. And all you propose are exactly "hints" on suck a content. Pink font on the dialogue wheel? No, thank you. "Are you gay?" in the main manu? No, thank you.

However, there is enough filth in real life and in-game ME universe, aside from gay romance, so it can't be helped. It's sort of normal to become uncomfortable with things from time to time. So, as long as any gay romance approach on Shepard can be responded with -[shoot freak in the head] option, I am perfectly OK with same sex content in ME3. And gays can have their arse-bonking with *their* Shepards.

[Servo to the bitter end]

What an endorsement!

The colored font (doesn't need to be pink) would apply to any and all relationships. If you see it available for a character you don't like, don't click it. Let them down easy, or hard, and go on your merry way. They already do it this way with the existing relationships, sans the colored font.

[The Uncanny]

Doctor Deepthroat wrote...

I don't see a problem with having homosexual relationships in this game. I personally would probably never get into one, but if someone else wants their character to be a homosexual, then what is the problem? More choices make the game better.

Thank you. More choice, that is where we're coming from.

[Teryx]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

So, as long as any gay romance approach on Shepard can be responded with -[shoot freak in the head] option, I am perfectly OK with same sex content in ME3. And gays can have their arse-bonking with *their* Shepards.

Wow.  Video game or not, I hope that if BioWare does implement same-sex romance options in the Mass Effect games, the turn-down option is in no way [kill the person that has a different sexual orientation than you because they came on to you].

<_<

Modifié par Pteryx, 04 mars 2010 - 06:03 .

[JediMB]

TommyServo wrote...

Try talking to Jacob as FemShep.  You can't say "what up" without sounding like you're about to tie him up and jump him.  

In fact, I'm pretty sure that a lot of people started romances accidentally, just because they were trying to be nice.  This would fix that problem for everyone.

But, of course, it's just one of many suggestions.

My first playthrough was as FemShep. At one point Jacob questioned my interest, I believe, and I responded with something along the lines of that we had a connection because we were both soldiers.

Heck, Jacob was the first squaddie I got through the entire dialog tree for.

(My Shepard ended up cold and alone, since I hadn't talked enough to Thane and wasn't interested in going there with Garrus or Jacob.)

[Gemini1179]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Yes. Even a hint on the same (i. e. male) sex romance content
included in ME3 will make me uncomfortable. Very uncomfortable. And all
you propose are exactly "hints" on suck a content. Pink font on the
dialogue wheel? No, thank you. "Are you gay?" in the main manu? No,
thank you.

However, there is enough filth in real life and
in-game ME universe, aside from gay romance, so it can't be helped.
It's sort of normal to become uncomfortable with things from time to
time. So, as long as any gay romance approach on Shepard can be
responded with -[shoot freak in the head] option, I am perfectly OK
with same sex content in ME3. And gays can have their arse-bonking with
*their* Shepards.

Wow. That is some deep-rooted homophobia. Do you not accept rides from friends who drive cars you don't like either?

[techpriest1]

Gemini1179 wrote...
Wow. That is some deep-rooted homophobia.

That is some deep-rooted ignorancy to pin a label on someone due his opposed opinion

[JediMB]

I have to remember to romance Zevran as a male in Dragon Age at some point, just to see how I feel about it... being a straight male and all. (And I have the nude mod installed for all races and genders.)

[FataliTensei]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Yes. Even a hint on the same (i. e. male) sex romance content
included in ME3 will make me uncomfortable. Very uncomfortable. And all
you propose are exactly "hints" on suck a content. Pink font on the
dialogue wheel? No, thank you. "Are you gay?" in the main manu? No,
thank you.

However, there is enough filth in real life and
in-game ME universe, aside from gay romance, so it can't be helped.
It's sort of normal to become uncomfortable with things from time to
time. So, as long as any gay romance approach on Shepard can be
responded with -[shoot freak in the head] option, I am perfectly OK
with same sex content in ME3. And gays can have their arse-bonking with
*their* Shepards.

wow i can' tell if that was troll attempt or you just being honest

either way please keep hate speech out of this thread, or you will be reported, you should know this seeing as how you quoted part of the FAQ

this is your first and last warning

Modifié par FataliTensei, 04 mars 2010 - 06:34 .

[Servo to the bitter end]

These are some off-topic digressions.

If you take issue with something someone says, keep it to PMs or report them to a moderator. The thread is to discuss the content civilly, whether you agree or not. No personal attacks, no insults, please.

[JediMB]

techpriest1 wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...
Wow. That is some deep-rooted homophobia.

That is some deep-rooted ignorancy to pin a label on someone due his opposed opinion

Gee-whiz, because Zulu_DFA's urge to shoot a character for being gay can't be classified as an irrational fear (i.e., a phobia), right? <_<

[FataliTensei]

TommyServo wrote...

What an endorsement!
The colored font (doesn't need to be pink) would apply to any and all relationships. If you see it available for a character you don't like, don't click it. Let them down easy, or hard, and go on your merry way. They already do it this way with the existing relationships, sans the colored font.

I wouldn't say colored font is a the way too go, just make the responses that you choose more obvious about what you're getting into.

Or have the options more varied, like

Top left - romance

top right - friendship

middle - neutral response/end conversation

bottom right - harsh response, varied effects with different characters

bottom left - I dunno, i guess if you don't like the character you can tell them so, Shepard isn't bound to get along with everyone

Modifié par FataliTensei, 04 mars 2010 - 06:41 .