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[Tasker]

Naughty Bear wrote...


Be warned. Your opinion does not matter on the internet.

Did Mass Effect 2 actually make any cry? I failed to feel any emotion during this game or even in films.

I rarely feel sad.

Yeah I know.  

Doesn't mean I can't give it though. 


As for crying?  Nope, ME2 made me go "WTF?!" in a number of places - some of them were good WTF and some of them were bad WTF, but no, no crying.
( Well maybe I came close when I left it too late going through the relay, but that was it.  )

Modifié par Orkboy, 26 février 2010 - 05:22 .

[Revenant_Mortalus]

Orkboy wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Mass Effect 2 has got to be a G.O.T.Y contender. It's everything a sequel should be.

You are kidding right?

They used a chainsaw where a scalpel was needed and turned the game into a half arsed shoot'em up wannabe .

ME2 is a good game but it certainly isn't a good sequel.  It's the equivalent of a direct to DVD followup to a Hollywood blockbuster.

... In my opinion of course.

I can understand that opinion.  It'a a bit moreextreme than I would have put it.  Still, the best example of "everything a sequel should be" in my opinion, is Assassin's Creed 2...

[llinsane1ll]

Not a big fan of PS3 but God of War 3 probably would be battling ME2. Or if you guys mean in genre then yea, ME2 all the way.

[Tasker]

Revenant_Mortalus wrote...


I can understand that opinion.  It'a a bit moreextreme than I would have put it.  Still, the best example of "everything a sequel should be" in my opinion, is Assassin's Creed 2...

Had a bad day, I stand by every word but it's probably a bit more aggressive than I actually meant, and don't get me wrong, I've really enjoyed a hell of a lot of direct to DVD sequels, it doesn't mean that they compare to the originals for quality though.

[Laterali]

QualityJeverage wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Is Heavy Rain really that good? Sounds like a visual novel. I just might pick it up.

It's going to be a very polarizing game. Some will love it, some will hate it. It basically all comes down to what kind of gamer you are, and what you look for in a game.

I, for example, am the kind of player who values plot and character above all else. I don't play games for the visceral thrill of scoring a nice shot. I play them to be immersed in a world and to inhabit another character. Combat and such can be fun along the way, but ultimately it's a means to an end for me.

Also, as a quick aside, it's true that Heavy Rain relies heavily on Quick-Time Events. I think the reason it can be forgiven is that it's possible to fail them. Missing a number of QTE prompts doesn't just pop up a "Try Again" screen. Those are mistakes you have now made and there will be consequences, up to and including permanent character death. The story will then continue without that character.

Again though, this is a game that does not want to be fun. It wants to tell a story. If you need a game to be traditionally "fun" in order to enjoy it, then Heavy Rain is not intended for you, and that's fine.

Well said. And that being said, I've never felt so anxious and excited as I was during some of those QTE scenes. Knowing that they could have dire consequences if I got them wrong actually got me stirred up. The relief and excitement of getting a headshot in ME2 or Uncharted 2 was nothing compared to what I felt after passing some of those QTE's.  After playing Heavy Rain I felt emotionally drained, and I mean that in a good way.

But yes, I will admit that tommythetomcat has a valid point. There was a huge plot hole in the story, and I'm pretty sure I know of which he speaks. It was glaring to the point of absurdity that they didn't explain it.

But ME2 isn't lacking in plot holes either....

[Naughty Bear]

Ps3 fans gonna hate! They don't like their exclusives being dissed and if they do then they will rain hell on your ass.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 26 février 2010 - 05:22 .

[spernus]

Revenant_Mortalus wrote...

I can understand that opinion.  It'a a bit moreextreme than I would have put it.  Still, the best example of "everything a sequel should be" in my opinion, is Assassin's Creed 2...

Uncharted 2 is everything a sequel should be.

However,both UC2 or AS2 aren't rpg so that's a big advantage.

The difficulty of making rpg is that everyone has different expectation of what this genre should be.You have the rpg codex or NMA crowd who say that it should be all about being as nerdy a genre as it can be.With a lot of stats,turn based if possible to think as much about your next move as possible and the roleplaying+ choices and consequences.

You have the jrpg crowd who want the genre to stay as linear as possible since they couldn't care less about roleplaying or choices and consequences.Give them a story on rail and plenty of monsters to bash+flasy spells+attack animations and they will be happy.

You have the action rpg crowd who will focua on their rpg being based around monster bashing.Give them a lot of interesting option in combat with a lot of interesting mechanics+twitch based command.Acquiring plenty of loot is a must as well...

There's too many people wanting different thing in the rpg genre.This is why I am surprised with Mass effect 2 being as highly rated as it is.This is a genre which shouldn't produce game which can be highly reviewed since there's too many gamer who want different thing from an rpg (and that was true until ME2 came along).

As for Heavy rain,it's a good game.It won't win any game of the year award imo since David Cage is nowhere near as smart or clever as he think he is.

He think that he transcended the videogame genre,but he didn't. If anything,Heavy rain is a dumb game trying to act smart.I appreciate the efforts,but Cage doesn't have the skill or intelligence to pull off his vision of the videogame media (game is full of plot hole,writing isn't good and the level of interactivity is disappointing imo and that's the specificity that a videogame can procure).Kudos on the production values or the level of polish,but that's to be expected given the fact that Sony probably helped them.

[phimseto]

Plot holes are Quantic Dream's Kryptonite. Fahrenheit, for all its excellents, had a few of those bad "WTF?" moments in it, particularly toward the end. Trashing Heavy Rain, though, seems silly. The two games are apples and oranges. It does remind me of a pet peeve of mine: a game like Uncharted (which is very well-written) wins all sorts of writing awards, even though it is an on-rails game with no wiggle room here or there. On the other hand, Dragon Age, which offers lots of branching story and character development, gets penalized for being stronger in some areas than others. I have always felt that RPGs which swing for the fences (and, in the case of Bioware games, get far more right than wrong) should get a lot more weight for writing awards than a game which has a much more narrow focus. This is another reason why I am happy to support both Bioware and Quantic Dream, because they are pushing the medium forward in terms of storytelling.

[Laterali]

spernus wrote...

Uncharted 2 is everything a sequel should be.

You got that right. Probably the best game ever made. My opinion of course. AS2 was good, but I don't find myself going back to it after I've beaten it, which isn't the case with UC2 and ME2, the latter of which I'm probably on my 4th or 5th character on 360 and have maybe 3 characters running on PC.

ME2 is basically what I expected of a sequel to a running story. I find that the 2nd of a trilogy always has a weaker story than the first. Thankfully they made up for that with a much better selection of genuinely interesting squadmates, and better side stories to go along.

But you wanna see the worst sequel of all time? Go watch Boondock Saints 2.. Ugh, that piece of filth should have been tossed in the trash before it ever made it to filming. What a slap in the face to the First movie.

[obie191970]

ME2 vs. Heavy Rain is apples to oranges. They are both very good games in their own right and to compare them is silly. I don't think anyone would ever think that Heavy Rain would be in the running for GoTY awards - Much like Alan Wake won't, though I'm sure that will be good as well. Personally, I think that will be a mix of God of War, ME2 and, as much as it pains me to say, Reach. But, if the Last Guardian comes out this year, all bets are off.

[newcomplex]

slimgrin wrote...

Ps3 owners get the shaft yet again.

Quite frankly, I feel as if PC owners get the shaft yet again.

Had to play it on my roomates PS3.   

I enjoyed it.    That isn't the problem.   I enjoyed it in the way one enjoys movies, which is substantially different from the way I enjoy games.    So by enjoying it as a movie, I'm forced to compare it to movies, in which case its glaring plot holes make me sad

Modifié par newcomplex, 26 février 2010 - 06:04 .

[Endurance_117]

Heavy Rain is amazing, A TON more immersion than Mass Effect

Modifié par Endurance_117, 26 février 2010 - 06:02 .

[newcomplex]

But seriously though. Starcraft 2 better win every single GOTY award on the planet, including best RPG and best shooter.

ME2 should get a distant second

Modifié par newcomplex, 26 février 2010 - 06:02 .

[Endurance_117]

newcomplex wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Ps3 owners get the shaft yet again.

Quite frankly, I feel as if PC owners get the shaft yet again.

Had to play it on my roomates PS3.   

I enjoyed it.    That isn't the problem.   I enjoyed it in the way one enjoys movies, which is substantially different from the way I enjoy games.    So by enjoying it as a movie, I'm forced to compare it to movies, in which case its glaring plot holes make me sad

You are saying it as if nothing else but Heavy Rain has plot holes

[Invalidcode]

Really? Compare ME2 directly to Heavy Rain?

Its like saying Orange juice > Coffee...

Ps3 owners get the shaft yet again.

Only PS3 owners can get to enjoy Heavy Rain but they are the one getting the shaft? LOL the heck? ME2 to PC/Xbox & Heavy Rain to PS3 got absolute nothing to do with each other.

[yoomazir]

I haven't played Heavy Rain since I don't own a ps3 , but I played the 2 other games from Quantic Dream : The Nomad Soul & Farenheit (or Indigo Prophecy for the USA).

I absolutely loved the Nomad Soul, big futuristic city, very nice character design, David Bowie and the overall gameplay ( strip girls included!).

You don't know how disapointed I was with their second game, Farenheit, it started good but it went retard from the middle of the story, barely no gameplay & only quick time events.

I know Heavy Rain is in the same vein of Farenheit, I haven't watched the walkthrough on youtube yet but so far it's the same "gameplay " with what it seems a little better story, still not worth the buy from me IMHO.



My advice for Quantic Dream is to kick David Cage out of the company and start making The Nomad Soul 2 asap.

[Endurance_117]

John Shepard is in Heavy Rain but he dies :/

[mp84]

Aye,



Heavy Rain is a great game, not better then Mass Effect 2 though. Though I give Heavy Rain props for not bowing down to the media, because they certainly didn't care to censor their romance scenes in the game, lol .. Whatever the case, the thing the kills Heavy Rain for me is that damn ending, it made no freaking sense, but I'll just leave it at that as I'd rather not spoil it for those who are still playing.

[Laterali]

Endurance_117 wrote...

John Shepard is in Heavy Rain but he dies :/

ha! I saw that, too. Maybe they were trying to get a message to BioWare, sayin, " Hey, in our game John Shepard stays dead..."

[Goth Skunk]

I played Indigo Prophecy/Fahrenheit, a game by the same developers.



If Heavy Rain is anything like Indigo Prophecy/Fahrenheit, then its players are in for a treat.



That being said, ME2>Heavy Rain

[Tom Adama]

Heavy rain was the best videogame I have ever played in my life so far.



It has emotion, immersion, spectacular story, outstanding characters, music, and gameplay.



Mass effect 2 is nowhere near as good as Heavy rain, the reviewers are dead wrong on the scores they gave these games. I could not believe the fanboyism that ME2 garnered up at launch, the game was not a 9.7 good, it was a 8.0 maximum.



Heavy rain was fresh, innovative and mesmorizing. I can't believe anybody who's played both games does not give credit to the shine Heavy rain has in it. It truly is a 10/10 game.



It felt like Seven, Indigo Prophecy, and Saw all in one game.



Completely speechless to how great that game was. Tons of replayability because of the jaw-dropping amount of choices and impacts it has on story progression, Ive already finished the game twice in consecutive playthroughs.

[massive_effect]

javierabegazo wrote...

I'm just not keen on story telling with tons of "quick time" events. it's ...well, boring

You are correct. Many of the reviewers that gave Heavy Rain more than an 80% will regret their score sooner than they realize. They are wearing the same Sony goggles that they wore when they reviewed MGS2. (But, this is worse.)

Heavy Rain is an adventure game with QTEs! Adventure games have zero replay value, and add QTEs into the mix, you have negative replay value.

[Eternal Dust]

massive_effect wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

I'm just not keen on story telling with tons of "quick time" events. it's ...well, boring

You are correct. Many of the reviewers that gave Heavy Rain more than an 80% will regret their score sooner than they realize. They are wearing the same Sony goggles that they wore when they reviewed MGS2. (But, this is worse.)

Heavy Rain is an adventure game with QTEs! Adventure games have zero replay value, and add QTEs into the mix, you have negative replay value.

Um...the game has 22 endings. That screams replay value right there.

[Kyzzo]

Even though I immensely enjoy playing ME 1&2, having just finished Heavy Rain I have to say that when it comes to your actions (or lack thereof) and what you choose to say or not to say etc. truly having consequences and significantly changing the course of the rest of the game, ME cannot hold a candle to Heavy Rain. However, ME's story-telling -such as it is- is much tighter with fewer glaring plot holes and loose ends.

[NvVanity]

I own all of the current generation of video game consoles so I have both ME2 and Heavy Rain. Story wise they're both really great and definitely two of the best plot driven ones out there. Though I find it hard to compare them as they both execute the story in different ways. If I honestly had to choose I'd have to say Heavy Rain as the story can drastically change depending on your actions compared to ME2.

Modifié par NvVanity, 27 février 2010 - 08:55 .