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[Tom Adama]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

How the hell would Heavy Rain even be considered for GOTY. Seriously the game is rubbish, for a game where the major focus is the story I was expecting something special but instead I get this cliched garbage, also who the hell thought it would be a great idea to have a lot of the game focus on doing quick time events to perform mundane and boring everyday tasks, making sure the characters son does his homework and goes to bed on time, changing babies napies and tying your bosses tie isnt my idea of fun or entertainment.

Sure the graphics are decent, but considering there is no pesky gameplay to get in the way I expected much MUCH better.

I have no idea how Heavy Rain can even be considered for game of the year let alone a game at all. There is no gameplay (apart from quicktime events which are tedious at the best of times) and for a "game" that focuses on story i was expecting much better than the cliched garbage that they gave us, seriously the plots holes are big enough to swallow the state of Texas.

Oh and for those who havent played the game yet the Origami killer is the PI Scott Shelby, yep the game forgets about every piece of evidence used to make you think that Ethan is the killer and without explanation it just jumps to the old cliche that "the bad guy turns out to be the grotesquely obese white guy", seriously the plot holes are bigger than Shelby's massive gut. There are no explantions to explain the pieces of evidence that suggest that Ethan is the killer (seriously if Ethan isnt the killer then why the hell does he have blackouts and wake up with an origami figure in his hand?) and there are no peices of evidence to point out that Shelby is actually the killer until we actually find out that Shelby is the killer. Seriously why is Shelby putting in so much work to "investigate" the Origami killer when he knows that he himself is the Origami killer? It makes no sense at all.

Heavy Rain is garbage, I dont know why anyone would even consider this for GOTY.

Are you kidding me? Play the game again and LOOK at the clues, they ALL point to Scott as being the killer. He was collecting evidence to DESTROY it... my goodness, please use your brain before posting.

[Tom Adama]

And Ethans blackouts are going to be covered in the DLC! The whole point of the blackouts were to put doubt in the players mind as to who the killer was...Norman even went through evidence that clearly shows Ethan was INNOCENT, did you not find the evidence in ARI?

[Frotality]

^^^tom adama

gandalf-the-fabulous is a well known semi-troll from way back on the old boards...you'll learn to ignore him. also you spoiled heavy rain for me:alien:, but i dont even have a ps3, as much as i want to play it, so w/e:P.

anywayz....this thread is a classic case of "my opinion is right" arguing, so i will simply state that game crtitics (not this specific one of the same title, but all media critics of video games) are some of the worst opinions to judge a game by, as most critics of anything are. popularity does not equal quality, nor does it mean a game would suit your specific tastes or not. you can no more say one of these 2 titles is better than the other than you can say apples are better than oranges, because the one important difference between them is simply personal taste.

that said, you are much better off debating over who's personal taste is better rather than which game. much more productive argument.

[RedShft]

The concept in Heavy Rain is interesting but I will not be buying for two reasons. The first being that I don't have a PS3 and the second that I dislike any fictional story that takes place in current times. I am an avid reader and I enjoy the story and characters in Bioware games but it's boring to me to have a game set in a world that I already am familiar with and know.

[Pocketgb]

Tom Adama wrote...


Are you kidding me? Play the game again and LOOK at the clues, they ALL point to BLARGH as being the killer. He was collecting evidence to DESTROY it... my goodness, please use your brain before posting.

Soo...

Spoilers? Do I not have to play the game now?

Modifié par Pocketgb, 01 mars 2010 - 12:43 .

[sonofalich]

heavy rain isn't for the shoot 'em up hack and slash crowd, but it really is a masterpiece of a game. mass effect 2 is an amazing game in it's own right and arguing about which is better is moot as they are both entirely different experiences for each person.

[Guanxii]

No other game has a prayer this year. Halo Reach without a doubt is going to be the mainstream gaming media GOTY-darling - IGN, Gameinformer, Spike-TV, etc - you can see it from space.



It will probably be a tossup between ME2 and Fallout: New Vegas for overall best PRG but neither probably deserve that title either.



The only wildcard upset I can see on the horizon for GOTY on these sites is GT5 just because the whole thing is clearly dictated by money rather than on any discernible artistic merit.

[Ryzaki]

...Wow...massive Heavy Rain spoilers in this thread. Good thing I already saw someone beat it or I would have cried. O_o

[ARK of ILKS]

I agree with the title 120%.



lol: not a real number.

[La Sangreal]

I REALLY loved Heavy Rain. In my opinion, story-wise, music-wise, and emotion-wise, Heavy Rain is the better game. My biggest gripe with Mass Effect 2 is the lack of emotional moments. The only moment I recall feeling anything was when you, uh... were able to hug Tali. Character deaths felt insignificant, which I now believe to be a reason why very few people actually stuck with the mistakes they made during the ending. Sure, nobody wants anyone to die, but I believe people would have been much more willing to accept death if it was more than just someone being randomly shot and forgotten about. Mass Effect 2 is not an interactive drama though, so comparisons are fairly subjective.



Also, shame on people for posting spoilers.

[Tom Adama]

Ryzaki wrote...

...Wow...massive Heavy Rain spoilers in this thread. Good thing I already saw someone beat it or I would have cried. O_o

Oops sorry, forgot to warn "spoilers ahead". But I thought this forum only had ppl with xbox's... seeing as how ME2 is an xbox/pc exclusive.

...if I had known this many ppl were actually interested in playing the game I would have had a warning, but since one of the posters above decided to rant on the "incoherent" Heavy rain plot, I needed to retaliate...

I am not a fan of people knocking media due to the mere fact they lack the coherence to understand the story. It was purely in defense of the game.

[NvVanity]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

How the hell would Heavy Rain even be considered for GOTY. Seriously the game is rubbish, for a game where the major focus is the story I was expecting something special but instead I get this cliched garbage, also who the hell thought it would be a great idea to have a lot of the game focus on doing quick time events to perform mundane and boring everyday tasks, making sure the characters son does his homework and goes to bed on time, changing babies napies and tying your bosses tie isnt my idea of fun or entertainment.

Sure the graphics are decent, but considering there is no pesky gameplay to get in the way I expected much MUCH better.

I have no idea how Heavy Rain can even be considered for game of the year let alone a game at all. There is no gameplay (apart from quicktime events which are tedious at the best of times) and for a "game" that focuses on story i was expecting much better than the cliched garbage that they gave us, seriously the plots holes are big enough to swallow the state of Texas.

Oh and for those who havent played the game yet the Origami killer is the PI Scott Shelby, yep the game forgets about every piece of evidence used to make you think that Ethan is the killer and without explanation it just jumps to the old cliche that "the bad guy turns out to be the grotesquely obese white guy", seriously the plot holes are bigger than Shelby's massive gut. There are no explantions to explain the pieces of evidence that suggest that Ethan is the killer (seriously if Ethan isnt the killer then why the hell does he have blackouts and wake up with an origami figure in his hand?) and there are no peices of evidence to point out that Shelby is actually the killer until we actually find out that Shelby is the killer. Seriously why is Shelby putting in so much work to "investigate" the Origami killer when he knows that he himself is the Origami killer? It makes no sense at all.

Heavy Rain is garbage, I dont know why anyone would even consider this for GOTY.

I think someone didn't pay enough attention. Or didn't even play the game.

[RENEGADEXVIII]

Heavy Rain is an amazing game,although it isn't the type of game that will appeal to gamers who's only idea of fun is killing something every few minutes.While I agree that it's hard to directly compare ME2 to Heavy Rain since there are more differences than similarities..story immersion/progression and how the player connects to the characters can be compared since these are things that both titles were ultimately trying to achieve.And I'll be the first to say that IMO Heavy Rain destroys ME2 when it comes to plot quality,plot progression,overall immersion,and emotional connection to the characters.



Hell,ME1 out did ME2 in most of those areas but Heavy Rain set a new bar.

[SphereofSilence]

Heavy Rain is a pretty far out there as an outlier. Different people will have different opinions of how good the game is, so I won't go there.



I believe BW can learn quite a bit from that game when it comes to character/facial animations and how to use it to draw out emotions from players to maximum effect. However, I felt ME2's individual scenes were better because it was shorter and more to the point. Heavy Rain's were too long. Plus it's music was a bit too drawn out and heavy-handed.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Tom Adama wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

How the hell would Heavy Rain even be considered for GOTY. Seriously the game is rubbish, for a game where the major focus is the story I was expecting something special but instead I get this cliched garbage, also who the hell thought it would be a great idea to have a lot of the game focus on doing quick time events to perform mundane and boring everyday tasks, making sure the characters son does his homework and goes to bed on time, changing babies napies and tying your bosses tie isnt my idea of fun or entertainment.

Sure the graphics are decent, but considering there is no pesky gameplay to get in the way I expected much MUCH better.

I have no idea how Heavy Rain can even be considered for game of the year let alone a game at all. There is no gameplay (apart from quicktime events which are tedious at the best of times) and for a "game" that focuses on story i was expecting much better than the cliched garbage that they gave us, seriously the plots holes are big enough to swallow the state of Texas.

Oh and for those who havent played the game yet the Origami killer is the PI Scott Shelby, yep the game forgets about every piece of evidence used to make you think that Ethan is the killer and without explanation it just jumps to the old cliche that "the bad guy turns out to be the grotesquely obese white guy", seriously the plot holes are bigger than Shelby's massive gut. There are no explantions to explain the pieces of evidence that suggest that Ethan is the killer (seriously if Ethan isnt the killer then why the hell does he have blackouts and wake up with an origami figure in his hand?) and there are no peices of evidence to point out that Shelby is actually the killer until we actually find out that Shelby is the killer. Seriously why is Shelby putting in so much work to "investigate" the Origami killer when he knows that he himself is the Origami killer? It makes no sense at all.

Heavy Rain is garbage, I dont know why anyone would even consider this for GOTY.

Are you kidding me? Play the game again and LOOK at the clues, they ALL point to Scott as being the killer. He was collecting evidence to DESTROY it... my goodness, please use your brain before posting.

I am not going to sit through that piece of garbage again just to prove you wrong, sure the evidence may point to Scott being the killer but to actually come to that conclusion you really need to know the information about Scott that you only find out after he is revealed as the Origami killer. Until Scott is revealed as the origami killer we have no idea that Scott was adopted, that he had a brother who drowned or even that he has a fondness for origami.

Now let us have a look at the eidence removed from the crime scene.

First off we know that the killer probably drives a 1983 Chevy Malibu, here is a picture for those who dont know what they look like.

http://upload.wikime...ChevyMalibu.jpg

Now that doesnt look like Scotts car now does it? Hell I cant remember Scott ever going near a car that looked like that, but I do remember seeing one that looks like it in the game, damn who was it again? Oh yeah wasnt it ETHAN MARS. This peice of evidence is nothing but a red herring.

Ok we know the Killer leaves an orchid on the victims chest, this piece of evidence doesnt come into play until later in the game and even then it in no way points to old Scotty boy.

And we also know that the killer leaves an origami figure in their hand, it is only after we find out that Scott is the killer we find out about his fondness for origami, before we find out he is the killer we have no idea he has had anything to do with origami. In fact the only one we know of that has anything to do with origami is the guy who blacks out and wakes up with an origami figure in his hand, even though Ethan isnt the killer there is no explanation as to why it happens.

All the victims dissapeared within the last 3 years (hasnt it been over 3 years since Jason died?) and were all boys aged between 9 and 13 (Jason was 10 so he fits this gap) and all disapeared in public places (Like Jason who ran off in the mall).

The killer is also white and aged between 30 and 45 (Ethan look like he is in his 30s while Scott looks over 50) he is intelligent, calm and organized (this could fit just about anyone) He has a Car (most likely a chevy malibu which looks like Ethans car) and his work allows him free time (Ethan is a work at home architect and looks to have a lot of free time).

As you can see pretty much all of this evidence points towards Ethan. Half of the Evidence has nothing to do with Scott and the other half ony fits if you know the information about the guy you only learn after you learn he is the killer.

I could go on and pick this game to peices but quite frankly it isnt worth it, this game is garbage and its plot is a mess, nothing can be said to justify this peice of crap.

Those who are saying that this game is "amazing" and the plot is "brilliant" are probably under the same effect that the emperors new clothes had on his kingdom, they were told that only those worthy of the kingdom could see the clothes and thus everybody could see them dispite the fact that the emperor was in fact naked. 

Tom Adama wrote...

And Ethans blackouts are going to be covered in the DLC! The whole point of the blackouts were to put doubt in the players mind as to who the killer was.

That is such a huge cop out and you know it, why couldnt they explain the black outs in the released version of the game? We all know the DLC will be bull**** and the devs will just pull ideas out of their arse just to try and justify it, the DLC will make as much sense as the retail version of the game and that is none.

Frotality wrote...

^^^tom adama

gandalf-the-fabulous is a well known semi-troll from way back on the old boards...you'll learn to ignore him. also you spoiled heavy rain for me, but i dont even have a ps3, as much as i want to play it, so w/e.

Oh yeah real original, instead of comming up with an intelligent argument to try and discredit me you resort to the oldest trick in the book and cry troll. Speaking the truth does not make me a troll.

Oh and well done Tom Adama you just spoiled the game for everyone, I hope your happy.

Modifié par Gandalf-the-Fabulous, 01 mars 2010 - 06:44 .

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

The funny thing is there is one peice of evidence that does point to Scott being the killer but it only works in horribly cliched movie and video game plots, Scott is far too fat to be a good guy and every good action he does perform is only there to throw you off the fact that he is in fact the bad guy.



Its funny because I picked up on this early in the game then dismissed it as I thought Heavy Rain couldnt possibly sink that low, it seems I gave the game too much credit.

[SithLordExarKun]

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 01 mars 2010 - 09:00 .

[SithLordExarKun]

Tom Adama wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...Wow...massive Heavy Rain spoilers in this thread. Good thing I already saw someone beat it or I would have cried. O_o

Oops sorry, forgot to warn "spoilers ahead". But I thought this forum only had ppl with xbox's... seeing as how ME2 is an xbox/pc exclusive.

...if I had known this many ppl were actually interested in playing the game I would have had a warning, but since one of the posters above decided to rant on the "incoherent" Heavy rain plot, I needed to retaliate...

I am not a fan of people knocking media due to the mere fact they lack the coherence to understand the story. It was purely in defense of the game.

Congragulations, you just spoiled the game for me, GOOD RIDDANCE, now is there any point for me to even get my hands on the game anymore?

Seriously so what if someone relentlessly bashes this game? That doesn't justify typing out spoilers because there are people who do want to play the game and may accidently "read" them when they scroll through the page which happens to be my case.

Really, i am sick and tired of people blatantly throwing spoilers on purpose, first, ME1 was ruined for me, then the true idendity of the collectors was ruined for me in ME2 when some idiot spoiled it.

Now you, if what you said was true, ruined heavy rain for me. There were people in this thread, which includes me, specifically stated we have yet to play the game and was going to.  Good job.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 01 mars 2010 - 09:02 .

[Tasker]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Tom Adama wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...Wow...massive Heavy Rain spoilers in this thread. Good thing I already saw someone beat it or I would have cried. O_o

Oops sorry, forgot to warn "spoilers ahead". But I thought this forum only had ppl with xbox's... seeing as how ME2 is an xbox/pc exclusive.

...if I had known this many ppl were actually interested in playing the game I would have had a warning, but since one of the posters above decided to rant on the "incoherent" Heavy rain plot, I needed to retaliate...

I am not a fan of people knocking media due to the mere fact they lack the coherence to understand the story. It was purely in defense of the game.

Congragulations, you just spoiled the game for me, GOOD RIDDANCE, now is there any point for me to even get my hands on the game anymore?

Seriously so what if someone relentlessly bashes this game? That doesn't justify typing out spoilers because there are people who do want to play the game and may accidently "read" them when they scroll through the page which happens to be my case.

Really, i am sick and tired of people blatantly throwing spoilers on purpose, first, ME1 was ruined for me, then the true idendity of the collectors was ruined for me in ME2 when some idiot spoiled it.

Now you, if what you said was true, ruined heavy rain for me. There were people in this thread, which includes me, specifically stated we have yet to play the game and was going to.  Good job.

You mean like I just ******* did and I'm only half way through the game. 

Modifié par Orkboy, 01 mars 2010 - 09:06 .

[AmstradHero]

Guanxii wrote...
No other game has a prayer this year. Halo Reach without a doubt is
going to be the mainstream gaming media GOTY-darling - IGN,
Gameinformer, Spike-TV, etc - you can see it from space.

Except it is Halo. Halo has got to be one of the most overrated gaming franchises in years. When it came to the PC, it was inferior to many other FPS games that were several years old. The thing Halo did right was introduce decent FPS control to consoles. Oh, it also gave us Red Vs Blue, which is likely to remain better than anything else that series will ever produce.

Tom Adama wrote...
And Ethans blackouts are going to be
covered in the DLC!

What??!? Explaining plot holes through
DLC.... ahhh, no thanks.  That's an appalling use of the DLC mechanism.  Did anyone else hear the words "poor design"?  Because that's what I heard too.

I have zero interest in Heavy Rain. I love a good story, but gameplay consisting of quicktime events to brush my teeth, towel myself dry, feed a baby, kiss someone, etc, etc, etc... ?  Ugh. That screams NO GAMEPLAY to me like an uncontrollable three year old.

[SithLordExarKun]

Orkboy wrote...


You mean like I just ******* did and I'm only half way through the game. 

I don't frickin understand why do some people blatantly spoil a game for other people. It was made clear from the start that there are people on this thread who have yet to play the game and are going to when they get their hands on it.

I avoided IGN, gamespot and the official forums just to avoid any bigot that will purposely post spoilers and to be honest i didn't expect anyone to blatantly post out a MASSIVE spoiler on a MASS EFFECT forum.

[JigPig]

Scott Shelby (fat private detective) is the the origami killer.

[SithLordExarKun]

You did that on purpose didn't you.

[JigPig]

Haha. You already knew it.

[SithLordExarKun]

Yeah i know. Don't know if there is a reason to even get my hand on the game anymore. Knowing who the killer is somehow destroys the game experience.