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[Massadonious1]

I could play Heavy Rain...if my PS3 worked.

[Darth-Mandalore]

Tom Adama wrote...

I figured that he posted a spoiler and since it was out, I may as well respond un-nhibited. Again, sorry to those who were interested in the game... it truly is a fantastic odyssey that you should experience whether you know the story or not. The experience is what captivates the player, not just one of the "twist" endings.

You have the right to your opinion but I was really dissapointed in Heavy Rain, for a game where the whole focus was on the story I really felt that it was poorly writen, cliched and full of plot holes.

To those of you who are interested in Heavy Rain and have a PS3 I highly suggest you rent it first and form your own opinion.

Modifié par Darth-Mandalore, 02 mars 2010 - 06:04 .

[guise709]

Only little kids care so much that "their console is the best" and other goty nonsense. yes there are good/bad games out there but there is no "best" game since its all subjective.

[Tazzmission]

itll be interesting for the goty catagory/ we got mass effect 2 vs bioshock 2 and march 16th is god of war 3. i personaly dont care for bioshock but mass effect vs god of war 3 will be big when it comes to fans on either side. i love both franchises

[SithLordExarKun]

Tom Adama wrote...


Well i figured that since Gandalf spoiled the game I had to respond to his attack at the plot using spoiler info.
I didn't think that people would get mad at ME for repeating the spoiler in defense of the game, I was just getting angry at the attack.

I figured that he posted a spoiler and since it was out, I may as well respond un-nhibited. Again, sorry to those who were interested in the game... it truly is a fantastic odyssey that you should experience whether you know the story or not. The experience is what captivates the player, not just one of the "twist" endings.

Its no problem, when i heard there was a massive spoiler in this thread i did my best not to read certain posts but i accidently scrolled to your post and saw the spoiler and then thought you were the one doing it on purpose.

Then i realize it was that ugly troll and the pig spoiling theg game delibrately. My apologies again

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

guise709 wrote...

Only little kids care so much that "their console is the best" and other goty nonsense. yes there are good/bad games out there but there is no "best" game since its all subjective.

This isnt about consoles, I myself own a PS3 and I have no problem saying that Heavy Rain is garbage.

The fact that 1 console exclusive sucks does not mean that the whole console sucks, it just means that the Xbox owners are spared from 1 crappy title.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Tom Adama wrote...
Well i figured that since Gandalf spoiled the game I had to respond to his attack at the plot using spoiler info.
I didn't think that people would get mad at ME for repeating the spoiler in defense of the game, I was just getting angry at the attack.

I figured that he posted a spoiler and since it was out, I may as well respond un-nhibited. Again, sorry to those who were interested in the game... it truly is a fantastic odyssey that you should experience whether you know the story or not. The experience is what captivates the player, not just one of the "twist" endings.

Hey dont try and shift the blame on me buddy, the game was spoiled for these people when they read your post and not mine, their blood is on your hands.

But really stop trying to sell these people on such a crappy game, nothing you say can justify the poor quality of this game. This game is an utter failure, I mean the development team pretty much placed all of their focus on the story and they couldnt even get that right. Steer clear of this game.

[LOST GAM3R]

Gandalf, the Internet would be better without trolls like you ruinin' our m00ds. It's not you to decide if people should buy a damn game or not. I personally prefer Heavy Rain to ME2, but that doesn't mean whoever is reading this should not to buy ME2. Your OPINION DOESNT MATTER ON THE INTERNET, especially someone who is bashing a game without any real reason.

Obvious troll is obvious.

[Ryzaki]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Tom Adama wrote...
Well i figured that since Gandalf spoiled the game I had to respond to his attack at the plot using spoiler info.
I didn't think that people would get mad at ME for repeating the spoiler in defense of the game, I was just getting angry at the attack.

I figured that he posted a spoiler and since it was out, I may as well respond un-nhibited. Again, sorry to those who were interested in the game... it truly is a fantastic odyssey that you should experience whether you know the story or not. The experience is what captivates the player, not just one of the "twist" endings.

Hey dont try and shift the blame on me buddy, the game was spoiled for these people when they read your post and not mine, their blood is on your hands.

But really stop trying to sell these people on such a crappy game, nothing you say can justify the poor quality of this game. This game is an utter failure, I mean the development team pretty much placed all of their focus on the story and they couldnt even get that right. Steer clear of this game.

Oh god I hate people like you.

[SithLordExarKun]

Been playing heavy rain,as good as it is ME2 > Heavy rain.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

LOST GAM3R wrote...

Gandalf, the Internet would be better without trolls like you ruinin' our m00ds. It's not you to decide if people should buy a damn game or not. I personally prefer Heavy Rain to ME2, but that doesn't mean whoever is reading this should not to buy ME2. Your OPINION DOESNT MATTER ON THE INTERNET, especially someone who is bashing a game without any real reason.
Obvious troll is obvious.

Actually if you read my earlier posts I have many reasons why this game is crap but here they are again for your viewing pleasure.

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Tom Adama wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

How the hell would Heavy Rain even be considered for GOTY. Seriously the game is rubbish, for a game where the major focus is the story I was expecting something special but instead I get this cliched garbage, also who the hell thought it would be a great idea to have a lot of the game focus on doing quick time events to perform mundane and boring everyday tasks, making sure the characters son does his homework and goes to bed on time, changing babies napies and tying your bosses tie isnt my idea of fun or entertainment.

Sure the graphics are decent, but considering there is no pesky gameplay to get in the way I expected much MUCH better.

I have no idea how Heavy Rain can even be considered for game of the year let alone a game at all. There is no gameplay (apart from quicktime events which are tedious at the best of times) and for a "game" that focuses on story i was expecting much better than the cliched garbage that they gave us, seriously the plots holes are big enough to swallow the state of Texas.

Oh and for those who havent played the game yet the Origami killer is the PI Scott Shelby, yep the game forgets about every piece of evidence used to make you think that Ethan is the killer and without explanation it just jumps to the old cliche that "the bad guy turns out to be the grotesquely obese white guy", seriously the plot holes are bigger than Shelby's massive gut. There are no explantions to explain the pieces of evidence that suggest that Ethan is the killer (seriously if Ethan isnt the killer then why the hell does he have blackouts and wake up with an origami figure in his hand?) and there are no peices of evidence to point out that Shelby is actually the killer until we actually find out that Shelby is the killer. Seriously why is Shelby putting in so much work to "investigate" the Origami killer when he knows that he himself is the Origami killer? It makes no sense at all.

Heavy Rain is garbage, I dont know why anyone would even consider this for GOTY.

Are you kidding me? Play the game again and LOOK at the clues, they ALL point to Scott as being the killer. He was collecting evidence to DESTROY it... my goodness, please use your brain before posting.

I am not going to sit through that piece of garbage again just to prove you wrong, sure the evidence may point to Scott being the killer but to actually come to that conclusion you really need to know the information about Scott that you only find out after he is revealed as the Origami killer. Until Scott is revealed as the origami killer we have no idea that Scott was adopted, that he had a brother who drowned or even that he has a fondness for origami.

Now let us have a look at the eidence removed from the crime scene.

First off we know that the killer probably drives a 1983 Chevy Malibu, here is a picture for those who dont know what they look like.

http://upload.wikime...ChevyMalibu.jpg

Now that doesnt look like Scotts car now does it? Hell I cant remember Scott ever going near a car that looked like that, but I do remember seeing one that looks like it in the game, damn who was it again? Oh yeah wasnt it ETHAN MARS. This peice of evidence is nothing but a red herring.

Ok we know the Killer leaves an orchid on the victims chest, this piece of evidence doesnt come into play until later in the game and even then it in no way points to old Scotty boy.

And we also know that the killer leaves an origami figure in their hand, it is only after we find out that Scott is the killer we find out about his fondness for origami, before we find out he is the killer we have no idea he has had anything to do with origami. In fact the only one we know of that has anything to do with origami is the guy who blacks out and wakes up with an origami figure in his hand, even though Ethan isnt the killer there is no explanation as to why it happens.

All the victims dissapeared within the last 3 years (hasnt it been over 3 years since Jason died?) and were all boys aged between 9 and 13 (Jason was 10 so he fits this gap) and all disapeared in public places (Like Jason who ran off in the mall).

The killer is also white and aged between 30 and 45 (Ethan look like he is in his 30s while Scott looks over 50) he is intelligent, calm and organized (this could fit just about anyone) He has a Car (most likely a chevy malibu which looks like Ethans car) and his work allows him free time (Ethan is a work at home architect and looks to have a lot of free time).

As you can see pretty much all of this evidence points towards Ethan. Half of the Evidence has nothing to do with Scott and the other half ony fits if you know the information about the guy you only learn after you learn he is the killer.

I could go on and pick this game to peices but quite frankly it isnt worth it, this game is garbage and its plot is a mess, nothing can be said to justify this peice of crap.

Those who are saying that this game is "amazing" and the plot is "brilliant" are probably under the same effect that the emperors new clothes had on his kingdom, they were told that only those worthy of the kingdom could see the clothes and thus everybody could see them dispite the fact that the emperor was in fact naked. 

Tom Adama wrote...

And Ethans blackouts are going to be covered in the DLC! The whole point of the blackouts were to put doubt in the players mind as to who the killer was.

That is such a huge cop out and you know it, why couldnt they explain the black outs in the released version of the game? We all know the DLC will be bull**** and the devs will just pull ideas out of their arse just to try and justify it, the DLC will make as much sense as the retail version of the game and that is none.

Seriously this game got rid of any form of gameplay and put all of the focus on the story and they couldnt even get that right, I beleive that Heavy Rain can sufficiently be classified as an "Epic Failure".

[RENEGADEXVIII]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous:



You seem to be blaming the game for your own inability to put together clues and not fall victim to obvious red herrings.Without going into spoilers (despite the fact that you have no problem doing so),there are plenty of clues pointing to the identity of the real killer.Even if you've failed at figuring out the identity of the killer (as you clearly have) you still shouldn't have went with the choice that you went with..hell,I crossed the person that you assumed was the killer off of my list after playing the demo.



I guess you never played a game called Clue.

[catabuca]

I was surprised(ish) by the killer. However, I thought it was glaringly obvious it wasn't Ethan. I was convincing myself it was the doctor and he'd end up playing a bigger part. That would explain Ethan's black-outs, Madison's hallucinations, and even perhaps Jayden's addiction (I thought we'd find out they'd been his patients too). That being said, I did have moments where I suspected Scott, but it was mainly down to me liking him so much.



Anyway, I thoroughly enjoyed Heavy Rain. I'll wait a while before playing it again. I'm not about to try and compare it to the ME franchise because they are so different, and they fulfil different roles for me. That being said, I'm very emotionally attached to ME1, and so that will probably always come out number 1 in any of my 'best game' lists. ME2, I wouldn't like to try and grade that because I'm so ambivalent.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

RENEGADEXVIII wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous:

You seem to be blaming the game for your own inability to put together clues and not fall victim to obvious red herrings.Without going into spoilers (despite the fact that you have no problem doing so),there are plenty of clues pointing to the identity of the real killer.Even if you've failed at figuring out the identity of the killer (as you clearly have) you still shouldn't have went with the choice that you went with..hell,I crossed the person that you assumed was the killer off of my list after playing the demo.

I guess you never played a game called Clue.

Yes yes I knew Ethan wasnt the killer in the section where he tries to get out of the house without being caught by the press and the paparazi, the fact that he has a thought where he wonders whether he himself could be the origami killer makes it obvious that he isnt the killer as I assumed the devs wouldnt just blurt out the name of the killer at the start of the game. Also the fact that when he has to cut off his finger in front of the camera makes it obvious that somebody else is behind it as there had to be someone watching the footage to make sure he did it. None of this however changes the fact that pretty much all of the evidence in the game points to Ethan being the killer and only half of the evidence applies to Scott provided you know the info about Scott you only find out once he is revealed as the killer and the other half has no conection to Scott at all. I dont know about you but I would hardly call Red Herrings clever plot devices, hell I would call them down right cheap considering there is no explanation given as to why they are even in the game.

But alright you claim the clues are there to figure out who the killer is and considering that we have already gone pretty deep into spoiler territory you might as well tell us all what they are, I mean we have already spoiled the identity of the killer so I am sure that nobody will really care if you give us the clues that point to him being the killer.

But when you do post the clues they cant be clues that need information about Scott we dont know until after we find out that he is the killer, for instance you cant say that his mother's favorite flower was an orchid since we dont have a clue who his mother is until after he is revealed as the killer.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Oh and you cant use the Scott is too fat to be a good guy clue because I already picked up on that but dismissed it as I thought Heavy Rain wouldnt sink that low.

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...



The funny thing is there is one peice of evidence that does point to Scott being the killer but it only works in horribly cliched movie and video game plots, Scott is far too fat to be a good guy and every good action he does perform is only there to throw you off the fact that he is in fact the bad guy.



Its funny because I picked up on this early in the game then dismissed it as I thought Heavy Rain couldnt possibly sink that low, it seems I gave the game too much credit.

[catabuca]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Oh and you cant use the Scott is too fat to be a good guy clue because I already picked up on that but dismissed it as I thought Heavy Rain wouldnt sink that low.

Dammit, and that's the exact argument I wanted to make. Because, you know, whenever I see a fat person I think 'evil'. Santa Claus is a real ****.

[Ryzaki]

catabuca wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Oh and you cant use the Scott is too fat to be a good guy clue because I already picked up on that but dismissed it as I thought Heavy Rain wouldnt sink that low.

Dammit, and that's the exact argument I wanted to make. Because, you know, whenever I see a fat person I think 'evil'. Santa Claus is a real ****.

LOL. Shelby was win though. Poor Ethan.

[RENEGADEXVIII]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

RENEGADEXVIII wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous:

You seem to be blaming the game for your own inability to put together clues and not fall victim to obvious red herrings.Without going into spoilers (despite the fact that you have no problem doing so),there are plenty of clues pointing to the identity of the real killer.Even if you've failed at figuring out the identity of the killer (as you clearly have) you still shouldn't have went with the choice that you went with..hell,I crossed the person that you assumed was the killer off of my list after playing the demo.

I guess you never played a game called Clue.

Yes yes I knew Ethan wasnt the killer in the section where he tries to get out of the house without being caught by the press and the paparazi, the fact that he has a thought where he wonders whether he himself could be the origami killer makes it obvious that he isnt the killer as I assumed the devs wouldnt just blurt out the name of the killer at the start of the game. Also the fact that when he has to cut off his finger in front of the camera makes it obvious that somebody else is behind it as there had to be someone watching the footage to make sure he did it. None of this however changes the fact that pretty much all of the evidence in the game points to Ethan being the killer and only half of the evidence applies to Scott provided you know the info about Scott you only find out once he is revealed as the killer and the other half has no conection to Scott at all. I dont know about you but I would hardly call Red Herrings clever plot devices, hell I would call them down right cheap considering there is no explanation given as to why they are even in the game.

But alright you claim the clues are there to figure out who the killer is and considering that we have already gone pretty deep into spoiler territory you might as well tell us all what they are, I mean we have already spoiled the identity of the killer so I am sure that nobody will really care if you give us the clues that point to him being the killer.

But when you do post the clues they cant be clues that need information about Scott we dont know until after we find out that he is the killer, for instance you cant say that his mother's favorite flower was an orchid since we dont have a clue who his mother is until after he is revealed as the killer.

If you'd like to know how I figured out who the killer was you'll have to PM me.I refuse to post spoilers,and I'm sorry but the 'everyone else is doing it' line won't sway me to do so.

I only experienced one really bad red herring in either of my play throughs and it's the one that everyone seems to complain about.Your complaints about the car don't hold any water since the game pretty much goes into detail regarding where the killer obtained the car (i'm not sure why you expected the killer to be driving around town in this vehicle)...and FBI/police profiling is used to narrow down possible suspects to make it easier for them to fine a match;it isn't the games fault that you regarded the POSSIBLE age of the killer as a FACT rather than an educated estimation.

Again,if you don't care for the game I don't think anyone has a problem with that (everything doesn't appeal to everyone),but people are going to take issue with you coming in here shoving your opinion down everyone else's throats and posting spoilers.

[BrandNewMan]

Since this keeps getting bumped, for those who were spoiled:



Finding out who the killer is is a relatively minor aspect of the game, in regards to the player. The bulk of the game is about the hardships the characters go through. The game is not in any way ruined for you.

[Ryzaki]

Also generally speaking. Going into a vs thread is a sure way to get yourself spoiled.



Just sayin'.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

catabuca wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Oh and you cant use the Scott is too fat to be a good guy clue because I already picked up on that but dismissed it as I thought Heavy Rain wouldnt sink that low.

Dammit, and that's the exact argument I wanted to make. Because, you know, whenever I see a fat person I think 'evil'. Santa Claus is a real ****.

I know right? But you should have seen him when he was still called St Nick, used toys to bribe children into being good and if they werent he would send his buddy Black Peter to kidnap them and stuff em into a sack to beat them.

But seriously it is very rare in a serious drama to see a good guy who is fat, in fact if there is ever a fat guy in a serious drama doing good things it is usually to hide the fact that he is the bad guy. 

[eternalnightmare13]

thegreateski wrote...

What the hell is Heavy Rain?

Some sort of side effect from global warming?

Clearly, it is Prince's follow up to Purple Rain.

Heaavyyy raaaiiin...heavy raiiiin....*cue wild guitar solo*:happy:

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

RENEGADEXVIII wrote...

If you'd like to know how I figured out who the killer was you'll have to PM me.I refuse to post spoilers,and I'm sorry but the 'everyone else is doing it' line won't sway me to do so.

I only experienced one really bad red herring in either of my play throughs and it's the one that everyone seems to complain about.Your complaints about the car don't hold any water since the game pretty much goes into detail regarding where the killer obtained the car (i'm not sure why you expected the killer to be driving around town in this vehicle)...and FBI/police profiling is used to narrow down possible suspects to make it easier for them to fine a match;it isn't the games fault that you regarded the POSSIBLE age of the killer as a FACT rather than an educated estimation.

Again,if you don't care for the game I don't think anyone has a problem with that (everything doesn't appeal to everyone),but people are going to take issue with you coming in here shoving your opinion down everyone else's throats and posting spoilers.

Ok maybe the car isnt really a red herring but the fact still remains that we never saw Scott have anything to do with a car that even looks remotely similar to a chevy malibu, sure we know how the killer got the car but then we never actually saw the killer have anything to actually do with the car. With the evidence given about the Origami killer and the information we know about the characters anyone of the characters could have been the Origami killer. For all we know Ethan could have been adopted or Jayden could have a fondness for Origami.

As for the age of the killer I know it is just a mere estimation (30 to 45 is a huge age gap) but forgive me for thinking that with such a huge age gap the killer could possibly fit between the lines, besides I though Jayden was supposed to be this kick ass FBI profiler who with the evidence given should be able to make an accurate estimation of the age group that the killer could belong to.

But I would like to know how you claim to have been able to figure out the killers identity so yes please PM me, Oh and you cant use the scene where they blurt out the killers name because quite frankly everyone figured it out at that point.

[SithLordExarKun]

Potential spoiler, read carefully.



Now that i finished the game and got a satisfying ending where everyone survives(except the killer), i would have to say that even knowing who the killer is in the first place is just a minor part of the story.



This is probably the only game that makes me pause to make every decision and honestly its more "emotionally engaging" than both ME and ME2 with adrenaline pumping scenes and gut wrenching decisions that influence the story.



ME2 still gave the better experience in my opinion but this game is on par. An excellent game overall and a must own game for ps3 owners.