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[leeboi2]

The big spoil sport said we could start it back up =3

[leeboi2]

Yeah, was shut down :'(

[SkullandBonesmember]

If "fights" ensue between members, then we're censored and threads are locked. Even without fights, threads are locked. Seriously, is it Bioware's job to act as mediators or even the gestapo for members? Most of us here have paid Bioware at least once, so why would they go out of their way to censor us? There are message boards with a LOT more activity and members and they get along fine without censorship.

Modifié par SkullandBonesmember, 26 février 2010 - 04:15 .

[newcomplex]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

If "fights" ensue between members, then we're censored and threads are locked. Even without fights, threads are locked. Seriously, is it Bioware's job to act as mediators or even the gestapo for members? Most of us here have paid Bioware at least once, so why would they go out of their way to censor us? There are message boards with a LOT more activity and members and they get along fine without censorship.

really...

example plz..

[SkullandBonesmember]

Use punctuation and proper spelling please. And you admitted you're a troll. I'll still bite though.



Well, my 9/11 thread for instance but besides that just to prove my statement IS neutral not "bitter".



From the original boards-



"Veen130

Confidence born in ignorance, the lockdown cycle cannot be broken. The patten has repeated itself more times than we can fathom. Forum threads, rise, evolve, advance and at the apex of their glory, they are extinguished."



There are a lot of threads that are locked not for being in the wrong section or spam. The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are the first sex and nudity thread, the religion thread, and Udina romance thread, There are others out there, but I don't feel like digging through the countless threads not only here but also from the original boards.

[SkullandBonesmember]

Actually, Stanley himself admits it:

Mr. Woo posted:



The last five pages (at least) are full of bickering, personal

attacks, and politics. This topic gets a brief moratorium until people

can learn to a) debate like civil, mature individuals, and not feed

the trolls.



As always, I'm available for questions and concerns, but come on,

people. You seemed to have a great community and discussion going on in

here, supporting each other, bringing up some good points. And you let

one person with an opposing view destroy the thread? Take a breather,

then let me know when y'all think you can start a new thread without

the hate against haters. Thank you.

[Lmaoboat]

If only there were some kind of vast network of computers where one might find pictures of scantly-clad women to sate one's desire for sideboob.

[GreenSoda]

Lmaoboat wrote...

If only there were some kind of vast network of computers where one might find pictures of scantly-clad women to sate one's desire for sideboob.

If only there were some kind of vast network of computers where one
might find pictures of soldiers shooting stuff to sate one's desire for combat.

*Sigh* such a strange, magical network would be pure bliss.

[Inarai]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

If "fights" ensue between members, then we're censored and threads are locked. Even without fights, threads are locked. Seriously, is it Bioware's job to act as mediators

Yes.  These are, after all, their official boards and they have to be careful.

[Prophet of Rage]

No alien side-boob? In my Mass Effect? I want my money back.

Modifié par Prophet of Rage, 26 février 2010 - 08:29 .

[Murmillos]

This thread is off to a great start...

The large point about the subject, even with the mention of nudity and sex, is not the requirement of what most people wanted, but that the the accumulation of your ME2 LI just ends in such a unsatisfactory and in some cases, in a creepy way.

For ME2 being "emotionally engaging" and being all about connecting with your squad mates, then how come ME2 basically runs and screams away from and ignores the the subject - turning the whole "situation" into a creepy joke.

We don't need side tittes, we don't want a "digital simulated sex scene".. what we do want is something that gives and rewards a positive connection between two people in a meaning full and tasteful way.

ME1 did it right, then got gun shy over one little news report, and now EA has forced Bioware to treat the subject of a "sexual-relationship" much like the a 14 year old would envision the thought of their own parents having sex. Cheesy, creepy and non existent.

Modifié par Murmillos, 26 février 2010 - 08:30 .

[SkullandBonesmember]

Inarai wrote...

Yes.  These are, after all, their official boards and they have to be careful.

Careful of what? There's no "danger", real or percieved, of members on message boards arguing.

[SkullandBonesmember]

Murmillos wrote...

This thread is off to a great start...

The large point about the subject, even with the mention of nudity and sex, is not the requirement of what most people wanted, but that the the accumulation of your ME2 LI just ends in such a unsatisfactory and in some cases, in a creepy way.

For ME2 being "emotionally engaging" and being all about connecting with your squad mates, then how come ME2 basically runs and screams away from and ignores the the subject - turning the whole "situation" into a creepy joke.

We don't need side tittes, we don't want a "digital simulated sex scene".. what we do want is something that gives and rewards a positive connection between two people in a meaning full and tasteful way.

ME1 did it right, then got gun shy over one little news report, and now EA has forced Bioware to treat the subject of a "sexual-relationship" much like the a 14 year old would envision the thought of their own parents having sex. Cheesy, creepy and non existent.

Ahhh, but you must understand. Even though we feel "nudity" adds quality and realism to the game, the argument of how we "just want pr0n" will never die.

Modifié par SkullandBonesmember, 26 février 2010 - 08:35 .

[Murmillos]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Ahhh, but you must understand. Even though we feel "nudity" adds quality and realism to the game, the argument of how we "just want pr0n" will never die.

And you are one of the rare few whom want more then just simple "tasteful quality" when it comes to the romance scenes.  No need to badger other people for what you want.

[Massadonious1]

If everyone wanted how it was back in ME1, these threads wouldn't last 30+ pages.



The more people that want full frontal boobage, regardless of their reasoning, the more people will think that those people should just find a porn site.

[Inarai]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Inarai wrote...

Yes.  These are, after all, their official boards and they have to be careful.

Careful of what? There's no "danger", real or percieved, of members on message boards arguing.

Right.  That's why they have a language filter...

[SkullandBonesmember]

Murmillos wrote...

And you are one of the rare few whom want more then just simple "tasteful quality" when it comes to the romance scenes.  No need to badger other people for what you want.

No, I'm not. Pretty much everybody in support of this were perfectly content with the romance scenes in the first game. We don't want a mini game to bust a load on Ashley's face.

[thompsonaf]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Murmillos wrote...

And you are one of the rare few whom want more then just simple "tasteful quality" when it comes to the romance scenes.  No need to badger other people for what you want.

No, I'm not. Pretty much everybody in support of this were perfectly content with the romance scenes in the first game. We don't want a mini game to bust a load on Ashley's face.

+1

Where does this mini-game exist? Does the maximum load require pressing a combination of different colored buttons?

[Matshelge]

I got in the last post before the thread was closed, and by Mr. Woo's comment, it seems I hit the nail on the head.

Making nude models of all LI in ME2 is such a huge cost for BioWare, time and money that could have been spent on other parts of the game that they decided to do a sexsceene with the standard models.

Remember, they need to make a nude model of every LI along with a nude model of male and female Shepard. So thats 9 models. In ME1, you only had to make 2, one male and one female (then recolor the female one).

How many humanoid high level models are using in this game? 50? 70? With a nude scene for everyone we are talking about atleast a 10% bump in the modeling/art cost of the game. For what cooks down to around less then 1% of the game, and even worse, since there are 7 LI, most people will only see 1 out of 7 of the models. Thats a HUGE amount of money spent on making content that small part of the playerbase will end up seeing.



So while we can argue back and forth between good tast and wanting to see Garius ass, it is really all about how much money and time should be used for this, and not if BioWare choose to bow down for EA rules and regulations, or they got scared of the media attention they got last time.

[Grizzly46]

Matshelge wrote...

I got in the last post before the thread was closed, and by Mr. Woo's comment, it seems I hit the nail on the head.
Making nude models of all LI in ME2 is such a huge cost for BioWare, time and money that could have been spent on other parts of the game that they decided to do a sexsceene with the standard models.
Remember, they need to make a nude model of every LI along with a nude model of male and female Shepard. So thats 9 models. In ME1, you only had to make 2, one male and one female (then recolor the female one).
How many humanoid high level models are using in this game? 50? 70? With a nude scene for everyone we are talking about atleast a 10% bump in the modeling/art cost of the game. For what cooks down to around less then 1% of the game, and even worse, since there are 7 LI, most people will only see 1 out of 7 of the models. Thats a HUGE amount of money spent on making content that small part of the playerbase will end up seeing.

So while we can argue back and forth between good tast and wanting to see Garius ass, it is really all about how much money and time should be used for this, and not if BioWare choose to bow down for EA rules and regulations, or they got scared of the media attention they got last time.

I agree that it would be pointless to make a model (or several in this case) that has so little purpose in the game, but we also have the small giant bugs running around a few maps and the collector general that doesn't have much screen time either, so its not that Bioware aren't shy of making background models, its what models they choose to make. This ties into the greater problem of the entire idea of a romance in the first place: do we need romance with all what that means?

Killing Saren and Sovereign or blowing up the collector base is your official mission in the name of the galaxy or humanity. Landing a hot girl can be Shepard's personal goal, just as it was for me to get a full collection of spacecraft models or go to the Normandy crash site. Neither of these had any impact on the main story or the mission - it was done to satisfy my personal interest in these things. I would actually like to see these small things as Shepard's 'loyalty' mission, something to give a clear head for the coming battles and hardships.

[Matshelge]

Grizzly46 wrote...

Matshelge wrote...

I got in the last post before the thread was closed, and by Mr. Woo's comment, it seems I hit the nail on the head.
Making nude models of all LI in ME2 is such a huge cost for BioWare, time and money that could have been spent on other parts of the game that they decided to do a sexsceene with the standard models.
Remember, they need to make a nude model of every LI along with a nude model of male and female Shepard. So thats 9 models. In ME1, you only had to make 2, one male and one female (then recolor the female one).
How many humanoid high level models are using in this game? 50? 70? With a nude scene for everyone we are talking about atleast a 10% bump in the modeling/art cost of the game. For what cooks down to around less then 1% of the game, and even worse, since there are 7 LI, most people will only see 1 out of 7 of the models. Thats a HUGE amount of money spent on making content that small part of the playerbase will end up seeing.

So while we can argue back and forth between good tast and wanting to see Garius ass, it is really all about how much money and time should be used for this, and not if BioWare choose to bow down for EA rules and regulations, or they got scared of the media attention they got last time.

I agree that it would be pointless to make a model (or several in this case) that has so little purpose in the game, but we also have the small giant bugs running around a few maps and the collector general that doesn't have much screen time either, so its not that Bioware aren't shy of making background models, its what models they choose to make. This ties into the greater problem of the entire idea of a romance in the first place: do we need romance with all what that means?

Killing Saren and Sovereign or blowing up the collector base is your official mission in the name of the galaxy or humanity. Landing a hot girl can be Shepard's personal goal, just as it was for me to get a full collection of spacecraft models or go to the Normandy crash site. Neither of these had any impact on the main story or the mission - it was done to satisfy my personal interest in these things. I would actually like to see these small things as Shepard's 'loyalty' mission, something to give a clear head for the coming battles and hardships.

Some models are easier to make, some can be imported from ME1. All the models you have in your "loft" are existing models that the game already uses, thats a good example of re-using old models for more screen time.

The collector general got about as much screentime as the average sex scene, so that means he gets 7 times the value of a LI in BioWares cost analazis.

The Normandy Crash site is something they added after the game was on lockdown. (Happens around half a year before launch, Localization and QA kicks off for real, and modelers and writers get to go work on something else). In this case they had the ability to make new content, without it effecting the production of the main game.

[GnusmasTHX]

People are generally naked when they have sex.



It only makes sense.

[SkullandBonesmember]

Matshelge wrote...

I got in the last post before the thread was closed, and by Mr. Woo's comment, it seems I hit the nail on the head.
Making nude models of all LI in ME2 is such a huge cost for BioWare, time and money that could have been spent on other parts of the game that they decided to do a sexsceene with the standard models.
Remember, they need to make a nude model of every LI along with a nude model of male and female Shepard. So thats 9 models. In ME1, you only had to make 2, one male and one female (then recolor the female one).
How many humanoid high level models are using in this game? 50? 70? With a nude scene for everyone we are talking about atleast a 10% bump in the modeling/art cost of the game. For what cooks down to around less then 1% of the game, and even worse, since there are 7 LI, most people will only see 1 out of 7 of the models. Thats a HUGE amount of money spent on making content that small part of the playerbase will end up seeing.

So while we can argue back and forth between good tast and wanting to see Garius ass, it is really all about how much money and time should be used for this, and not if BioWare choose to bow down for EA rules and regulations, or they got scared of the media attention they got last time.

I suppose when you focus most of your budget on combat, you can't afford silly roleplay extras.

[Apophis2412]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Matshelge wrote...

I got in the last post before the thread was closed, and by Mr. Woo's comment, it seems I hit the nail on the head.
Making nude models of all LI in ME2 is such a huge cost for BioWare, time and money that could have been spent on other parts of the game that they decided to do a sexsceene with the standard models.
Remember, they need to make a nude model of every LI along with a nude model of male and female Shepard. So thats 9 models. In ME1, you only had to make 2, one male and one female (then recolor the female one).
How many humanoid high level models are using in this game? 50? 70? With a nude scene for everyone we are talking about atleast a 10% bump in the modeling/art cost of the game. For what cooks down to around less then 1% of the game, and even worse, since there are 7 LI, most people will only see 1 out of 7 of the models. Thats a HUGE amount of money spent on making content that small part of the playerbase will end up seeing.

So while we can argue back and forth between good tast and wanting to see Garius ass, it is really all about how much money and time should be used for this, and not if BioWare choose to bow down for EA rules and regulations, or they got scared of the media attention they got last time.

I suppose when you focus most of your budget on combat, you can't afford silly roleplay extras.

Indeed. main gameplay elements are more important than unecesary extras.