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[Marcin K]

it's gone silent here again....wondering why?

[OneBadAssMother]

ME1 portrayed the romance very well with sex scene.



I do not agree with making any ME into any porn game - it has NEVER been one. However, I do not agree with folks who went "OMG, a sideboob in a videogame! The end of days is here" Kinda thing.



ME1 scene was very emotional, touching, and satisfying for all viewers. In my opinion, some people (soccer mums) should get off their self-righteous high-chairs and just accept this. It's far tamer then what you will seen in prime time TV, but it is tasteful, romantic, and touching.



So I will support this thread. As long as folks dont go overboard with it.

[SnipeyMcGee]

Sex is a way of showing passion between characters, and can convey the desperation of their situation in the case of Mass Effect. One last night before what could be a violent, yet heroic, death. Not showing nudity is kind of jarring actually and then watching a sex scene with clothes on is just... Bizarre.

Take Dragon Age, for example. Very violent game, very mature story telling, deals with relationships in depth and the situation at hand with a very dark atmosphere. Then you get to the sex scene (or Leliana singing, equally as jarring). Decapitations, murder of innocents and the sacrifice of close friends- that's all gravy, but a boob? It's not pornagraphic to show it, it helps the scene- without nudity the scene loses it's punch. That's not the case with all scenes, not all sex scenes even need to show what's happening (Tali's in Mass Effect 2 is pretty effective, for example), but it just screams self censorship when they keep their clothes on. Sex is a very natural, passionate, *good* thing (for the most part- if it's safe)- the fact that they almost cowardly shy away from it- showing a scene which is ineffective due to self censorship, is bizarre. It's a step backwards.

After Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age, the *text* from Baldur's Gate 2 seems far more mature than the scenes they are now depicting using cinematics. Great games, two of my favorite (Bioware's my favorite developer after all) but it's just a stupid move. It makes the game feel immature if they are scared to show a boob, or a side boob, or even not showing any parts and just having the characters *naked* *during* *SEX*.

Maybe they'll come to their senses soon, otherwise, the scenes are jokes.

It's even funnier in the case of Dragon Age, where the nudity you want, you ain't getting... And the nudity you get, you don't want.

Modifié par SnipeyMcGee, 20 mars 2010 - 01:52 .

[OneBadAssMother]

Both me and my wifey really LOLed at the scenes in DA:O lol



Agree with you McGee. Bioware - remember this, there IS a mature audience playing your games.

[RyrineaNara]

I want the ME1 love scenes back they were tasteful done, and left a satisfying ending to the romance. Kaidan was such a sweet heart during that scene to me it just made me satisfied that  I  let MY CHARACTER  show her  love  in a tasteful way.

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 21 mars 2010 - 01:44 .

[Mondo47]

OneBadAssMother wrote...

ME1 portrayed the romance very well with sex scene.

I do not agree with making any ME into any porn game - it has NEVER been one. However, I do not agree with folks who went "OMG, a sideboob in a videogame! The end of days is here" Kinda thing.

ME1 scene was very emotional, touching, and satisfying for all viewers. In my opinion, some people (soccer mums) should get off their self-righteous high-chairs and just accept this. It's far tamer then what you will seen in prime time TV, but it is tasteful, romantic, and touching.

So I will support this thread. As long as folks dont go overboard with it.

I'm in with my Bad-Ass comrade here... I can get behind a little more maturity when it comes to moving a relationship forwards

[leeboi2]

Sex is naughty, but onto more important issues...I like turtles.

[Nemein]

I think for many here seeing Tali's face >>>>>>> Sideboobs.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

more sex and more nudity. i want to just be walking along the citadel and suddenly i see sex and nudity all up in my face and i'm like "woah"

[Darth Drago]

-Playing Dragon Age now actually and those Desire Demons certainly aren’t shy about their nudity or how their hand move very provocatively across their body when talking to you. Demon nudity like this is ok but a basic sex scene with some nudity isn’t? Nice double standard.

At least in Dragon Age the love scene you get isn’t totally a waste compared to ME2. Its still tame when you still see the clothing though. You get a sense that its more than just a quickie moment and you at least have some follow up dialog later either with your love interest or from Wynne at least. Not like the "buisness as usual" dialog with your ME2 love interst.

With what grounds they pushed and broke in ME1 with the slight nudity you saw was done in a tasteful way. What we got in ME2 was rather lame even by movie and TV standards. Considering that the game has a M-17 rating it isn’t breaking any ground here. I honestly still don’t see how it got that rating except for some foul language. Everything else in it you an see on prime time TV, more blood, more nudity/sex more everything actually.

To bad BioWare caved in to the press or whatever to make such backwards decisions on sex and nudity. I don’t think any of us are asking for hardcore “R” rating sex scenes but making “PG” rating ones is a weak way to go.

[Mimaiselphenai]

Screw the nudity and sex. I'd rather have more effort put into the DEVELOPMENT of the relationship than the "big finale." To me it seems like the "sex scenes" in ME1 were just thrown in for controversy, and that's exactly what Bioware got. Not to mention insane publicity. Also not an accident, I'm sure.

[SimonTheFrog]

Mimaiselphenai wrote...

Screw the nudity and sex. I'd rather have more effort put into the DEVELOPMENT of the relationship than the "big finale." To me it seems like the "sex scenes" in ME1 were just thrown in for controversy, and that's exactly what Bioware got. Not to mention insane publicity. Also not an accident, I'm sure.

I totally agree with the DEVELOPMENT thing. If every LI consists of 2 dialog choices and a love scene before the final battle than this quickly feels forced and looses its appeal.

What i enjoyed most, in any game, are relationship that somehow start off rocky but grow into something very intimate and close in the end. The transition from sceptic to understanding and then the first flirt are very exiting. For me the L-word or some other way to express the start of a relationship or love affair would be basically all that i need. This CAN be a sex scene, obviously, but wouldn't necessarily be one. 

I don't think BioWare did the ME1 scene for attention only. It got far too much attention nevertheless. I fear that it was blown out of proportion which is probably why it was reduced in ME2. I still see a lot of excitement about that few seconds of content that feels out of proportion considering the hugeness of the game, but i think it's kinda better that way. 

Bottom line: if the relationship with a certain LI is based on passion (maybe for example Miranda, or TEH PRIIIIZE), than a hot sex scene would be appropriate and i would be sad if the company would not go there because of fear of reactions in the media (or whatever). But not all LI's are the same, some are more about compassion or comforting, or friendship even. In this case i'd certainly enjoy some sort of "next level" in a cut scene, but i would feel equally sad if they'd press sex and nudity in there just for the sake of it. 

Bottom bottom line: my priority is a convincing and interesting interaction between my hero and the LI's, resulting in some sort of closeness, intimacy or commitment. The exact details should reflect the character of the relationship and i'd like to see some variation there. They certainly have done that in ME2, all scenes are pretty different, but i think they should be braver with in- and excluding sex and nudity, depending on the relationship. 

[Collider]

Why? For your amusement? If you need to see pixelated nudity, you're on the internet. The most important thing they've done is the emotional connection with these characters and they've already achieved that.

[Mimaiselphenai]

Collider wrote...

Why? For your amusement? If you need to see pixelated nudity, you're on the internet. The most important thing they've done is the emotional connection with these characters and they've already achieved that.

Only with Garrus and Tali, from what I've seen. I kind of wished my Shepard had the option to give Liara a piece of her mind for being so petty. Well, you kind of get to, but only to a degree. Instead it's just "talk to you later, Liara."

Modifié par Mimaiselphenai, 21 mars 2010 - 03:10 .

[SimonTheFrog]

Collider wrote...

Why? For your amusement? If you need to see pixelated nudity, you're on the internet. The most important thing they've done is the emotional connection with these characters and they've already achieved that.

"Explicit" content for the sake of it is not something many people are asking for. I might be wrong here, but i saw a lot of posts that expressed the emotional value of such a scene as a part of the relationship between hero and LI.

But indeed, i agree that asking for nudity as such is not the point. For me, it's about the context, really.

[D.I.Y_Death]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Murmillos wrote...

This thread is off to a great start...

The large point about the subject, even with the mention of nudity and sex, is not the requirement of what most people wanted, but that the the accumulation of your ME2 LI just ends in such a unsatisfactory and in some cases, in a creepy way.

For ME2 being "emotionally engaging" and being all about connecting with your squad mates, then how come ME2 basically runs and screams away from and ignores the the subject - turning the whole "situation" into a creepy joke.

We don't need side tittes, we don't want a "digital simulated sex scene".. what we do want is something that gives and rewards a positive connection between two people in a meaning full and tasteful way.

ME1 did it right, then got gun shy over one little news report, and now EA has forced Bioware to treat the subject of a "sexual-relationship" much like the a 14 year old would envision the thought of their own parents having sex. Cheesy, creepy and non existent.

Ahhh, but you must understand. Even though we feel "nudity" adds quality and realism to the game, the argument of how we "just want pr0n" will never die.

Hey, if BioWare can add the intimacy and atmosphere of ME1's sex scene without nudity I'm all for it but if they need to add a butt shot to help the scene along I don't mind either.

Not sure what the big deal was about the sex scene anyhow. The game was rated "M" for a reason and the scene was tastefully done, it's not like it was porn or anything.

[lsumd2011]

D.I.Y_Death wrote...
Hey, if BioWare can add the intimacy and atmosphere of ME1's sex scene without nudity I'm all for it but if they need to add a butt shot to help the scene along I don't mind either.

Not sure what the big deal was about the sex scene anyhow. The game was rated "M" for a reason and the scene was tastefully done, it's not like it was porn or anything.

Because evil game companies corrupting innocent children with their voilence and sex makes for good stories.  Why do you think the moron who stired the pot in the first place didn't even bother to verify if what she said was true or not?  She didn't care about what was in the game, what wasn't, or how it was done, she just went off on a factless tangent because it would boost her ratings. 

Modifié par lsumd2011, 21 mars 2010 - 03:41 .

[Mimaiselphenai]

lsumd2011 wrote...

D.I.Y_Death wrote...
Hey, if BioWare can add the intimacy and atmosphere of ME1's sex scene without nudity I'm all for it but if they need to add a butt shot to help the scene along I don't mind either.

Not sure what the big deal was about the sex scene anyhow. The game was rated "M" for a reason and the scene was tastefully done, it's not like it was porn or anything.

Because evil game companies corrupting innocent children with their voilence and sex makes for good stories.  Why do you think the moron who stired the pot didn't even bother to verify if what she said was true or not?  She didn't care about what was in the game, what wasn't, or how it was done, she just went off on a factless tangent because it would boost her ratings. 

What's funny about it all is that the game shouldn't even be in the hands of anyone but adults. That always seems to be the last thing people mention. Slander is a better option than being called a bad parent.

[lsumd2011]

Mimaiselphenai wrote...

lsumd2011 wrote...

D.I.Y_Death wrote...
Hey, if BioWare can add the intimacy and atmosphere of ME1's sex scene without nudity I'm all for it but if they need to add a butt shot to help the scene along I don't mind either.

Not sure what the big deal was about the sex scene anyhow. The game was rated "M" for a reason and the scene was tastefully done, it's not like it was porn or anything.

Because evil game companies corrupting innocent children with their voilence and sex makes for good stories.  Why do you think the moron who stired the pot didn't even bother to verify if what she said was true or not?  She didn't care about what was in the game, what wasn't, or how it was done, she just went off on a factless tangent because it would boost her ratings. 

What's funny about it all is that the game shouldn't even be in the hands of anyone but adults. That always seems to be the last thing people mention. Slander is a better option than being called a bad parent.

Well let us not forget that in this day and age the concept of people being responsible for their actions or parents being responsible for the actions of their children are a non-existant thing.  It is always the fault of others.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Y'know there's probably a psychological complex for people who can only "get it up" when they're faced with the threat of death and mortality.

[lsumd2011]

Probably is, for everything there is in this world, there is at least one person that gets off on it.

[Timmibal]

Y'know there's probably a psychological complex for people who can only "get it up" when they're faced with the threat of death and mortality.

Actually that's biological and it's spread broader than just people. Wanna know how chicken breeders get prime stock to mate?



They starve them.



The threat of imminent demise makes the chickens tiny minds go "OMFG! Genetic data must be passed on!" and then shag like crazy. Same thing happens to a lot of other species... Not so much with the starving, but the threat of death seems to be a common factor.



ANYHOO, back OT.



Did anyone else feel like the romance was too easy in ME2? I mean, there was only something like 5 dialogue chunks max on disk 2, and all of a sudden all the characters are ripping off their clothes and all but screaming "DO ME!" at Shep (At least from the male perspective... Seems the ladies get a more deep emotional experience with their LIs).



It just seemed a bit... Forced. I'm all for sex and nudity in games where it's warranted by the storyline but to me, ME2 didn't so much foreshadow your potential LIs as stick a flashing neon sign above their heads reading "U WILL GET TO TAP THIS L8TR LOL!"



Still liked the game, just think they're getting to the point where they're either going to have to realize that their games are outgrowing the template and there's only so many times you can let the seams out.

[Beastslayer2001]

I'm all for "tastefully done nude scenes" in the Mass Effect Universe. They don't have to be raunchy sex scenes either. One of the huge hurdles that Bioware and EA would have to overcome is the rating system. The ESRB defines "M" for mature can be bought by individuals under the age of 18 (17+). The ESRB defines "A" for adult only (bought by individuals over the age of 18.) If Bioware and EA included nude scenes in the Mass Effect Universe, this would increase the rating from "M" to "A." Not to mention, that there would be difficutly in getting the "A" rating as well, because not a lot of games have nudity that justifies an "A" rating. So there is not a lot of previous game content from other producers to judge or "set the bar." With being one of those "few", there would be stipulations or prerequisites that would have to be met.

Once a game, video, book, magazine or whatever reaches the "A" (adult only status) it appeals to a specific group of individuals. I mean, now that 17+ cannot purchase it...only 18 or older means that Bioware/EA would lose that end of the market. Not to mention all the negative feedback, and there would be, from everybody that finds it distasteful. Which would also result in negative sales impact.

Some towns and cities across the US have ordinances that forbid stores that appeal to all ages including this "specific group of individuals" (over 18 crowd) and others from, displaying content that: Have on the cover "raunchy" or sexually explicit photos and/or content that "when played" display "raunchy" or sexually explicit photos/content. The above mentioned points could/would result in stores not carrying the product.

Now enters the DLC point. Bioware/EA could come out with a DLC patch for nudity and sexually explicit scenes. Charge a set amount of MS points for it, but make it only available to the 18 or older crowd. And now for the kicker...prior to downloading the patch, in the intellectual properties agreement that everybody clicks "ok" on and doesn't read anyway...make a clause that states: "the owner of this game console must be over the age 18...blah blah blah...Bioware and EA are not liable for any damages , regardless of "type" of damage, incured due to unauthorized/illegal viewing due to misleading information for the aquisition of this download...blah blah blah...'

If you made it this far through the post...you deserve a "Long Service Medal."

[El Jueta]

The role of the media in the sex (sideboob) thingie with the first game was way overrated and completely unnecessary. Seriously, every year there's some douche that picks a random game that has some violence or a scene that's a bit more graphic and turns it into a big deal. Been like this since the days of carmageddon really. I don't think videogame companies should budge to this kind of pressure. Look at Rockstar and the GTA games. The bad publicity just added to their success, and that's a much more extreme case than mass effect.



Personally, i didn't even notice anything groundbreaking as far as the graphic nature of the sex scenes in ME1. It's the fact that Bioware cared about the media pressure and tuned it down that bugs me. The media talked, the game didn't even suffer. If they did the same thing in the second one, more people would be aware of it and probably check out the scenes just to see what they were like, and i'm confident that most people would agree that it was extremely tasteful and harmless. The said douchebaggery that started it in the first place would comment, and as it always is for these kinds of situations, if you repeat a 'scandal' it ends up not being a scandal at all and no one would really care.



To sum it up, I just think that Bioware lost a wonderful opportunity to slap some media dirtbags in the face and get some good publicity while doing it. It would have been beautiful.

[OneBadAssMother]

The serious idiocy and misrepresentation and lies of the Fox News report was extremely shocking. Have you folks seen it? I've never seen such BS in the media in my life until this.







If anything, 100% of people who played Mass Effect, KNEW THE TRUTH. Even Cooper Lawrence herself retracked her misinformed views, however that didn't stop fans from rating her book 1/5 stars on Amazon. Nonetheless... in the end. This world is f--king BS.