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[ReDSH1FT]

Ryzaki wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...


Unsuccessful attempt at defaming me is unsuccessful.  You single handedly just proved my entire post with that remark.  You have nothing to reply with but that?  Sad.

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Unsuccessful Troll is unsuccessful.

Once more, keep proving me right.  You have nothing to bring to these discussions, you are troll of the highest calibur.  Get out of here already.  I responded smartly and you come up with... nothing.  Again.

[ReDSH1FT]

Marilynn-22 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Trixor wrote...


Last i checked, homosexuals were all still human..

All you guys supporting this thread are all just bigots.

Freedom of speech and all that, remember?
Meh, whatever. i wish you all good luck in life, bigots.
I'll live my life with my girlfriend, have fun, have kids, and if they turn out gay, ohh well, they're born that way.

You are absolutely ridiculous.  You just claimed "free speech" then incite hate towards people who aren't all about ****** experiences in ME3.  You labeled us bigots for having a dissenting opinion.  Several times.  

LOL.

"All you guys supporting this thread are just bigots."

Free speech when it's convenient eh?

Your such a ass red, just sit in the corner for a while and stay quiet.

Why don't you argue with the post you just quoted?  Oh wait, it has too much logic in it.  Something you folks seem to be allergic to.

[Ryzaki]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...


Unsuccessful attempt at defaming me is unsuccessful.  You single handedly just proved my entire post with that remark.  You have nothing to reply with but that?  Sad.

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Unsuccessful Troll is unsuccessful.

Once more, keep proving me right.  You have nothing to bring to these discussions, you are troll of the highest calibur.  Get out of here already.  I responded smartly and you come up with... nothing.  Again.

Alright list your points as to why M!Shep can't be gay. If you're not a troll there will be no need for inflammatory remarks in this discussion.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 février 2010 - 04:46 .

[ReDSH1FT]

Ryzaki wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...


Unsuccessful attempt at defaming me is unsuccessful.  You single handedly just proved my entire post with that remark.  You have nothing to reply with but that?  Sad.

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]
Unsuccessful Troll is unsuccessful.

Once more, keep proving me right.  You have nothing to bring to these discussions, you are troll of the highest calibur.  Get out of here already.  I responded smartly and you come up with... nothing.  Again.

Alright list your points as to why M!Shep can't be gay.

What, for ME2, DLC, or ME3?

[Ryzaki]

ReDSH1FT wrote...



What, for ME2, DLC, or ME3?

Any game. I'm not saying why he can't be in a relationship but why he can't be gay.

For a relationship, why can't one that fits said preferences be in DLC or ME3.

Also any topic relating the game shouldn't be banned because then you'd be able to ban all topics.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 février 2010 - 04:53 .

[Zeratul20]

My side? No offence intended, but you don't even know what my side is. I just asked you to present the points you sent the mods. I would like to know why you think that same sex topics are bad or unhealthy for the forum, or even pointless.

I will however, say that I don't agree with your point of view, seeing as I do think that homosexuals have as much right to discuss their requests for ME3 as you do. I'm straight myself, so I wouldn't much care for the homosexual romance plots, but I don't see why homosexuals themselves should be deprived of the option of pursuing a different path.

So, I just want to know: why do you think topics concerning in-game same sex relationships are bad?

EDIT: On a less serious note: holy crap, you guys post faster than a chipmunk on speed!
EDIT 2: Gotta run, but I'll read up once I get back.

Modifié par Zeratul20, 26 février 2010 - 04:55 .

[Naughty Bear]

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Ruud333 wrote...

Jewsapalewsa wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Jewsapalewsa wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Jewsapalewsa wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Shinji Ex wrote...
Homophobic?

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Modifié par Naughty Bear, 26 février 2010 - 04:52 .

[ReDSH1FT]

Ryzaki wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...



What, for ME2, DLC, or ME3?

Any game. I'm not saying why he can't be in a relationship but why he can't be gay.

For a relationship, why can't one that fits said preferences be in DLC or ME3.

OK, let's first understand the difference between DA:O and ME.  Having ****** relationships in the former is fine, there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with it.  The character there can be one of 3 races, from up to 6 radically different backgrounds.  This isn't like Shep's backgrounds, where he's still an Alliance marine in every one. 

The thing is Shepard existed before ME1, if that makes sense.  He was an Alliance marine of some repute, being an N7 operative.  In DA:O, you can be an elf from the woods, or a city.  Or a human noble.  Or a dwarf noble, or dwarf casteless.  There's a huge disparity there because it's a first person narrative.

In ME, you play as a person that already existed in a set path, a third person narrative.  The writers have written this character in a specific fashion, they once HAD ****** content lined up, but it was later removed.  This is evidence enough that they wanted Shep to be a hetero character, a la captain Kirk.  This is why he can't be homosexual.  It would require sacrificing the third person narrative that's been established.  If it was established in ME1, that is if ME1 had ****** content, it would imply Shepard was bi curious.  Since this isn't the case, tossing in content like that would be contradictory to the character established.

[jlb524]

ReDSH1FT wrote...


OK, let's first understand the difference between DA:O and ME.  Having ****** relationships in the former is fine, there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with it.  The character there can be one of 3 races, from up to 6 radically different backgrounds.  This isn't like Shep's backgrounds, where he's still an Alliance marine in every one. 

The thing is Shepard existed before ME1, if that makes sense.  He was an Alliance marine of some repute, being an N7 operative.  In DA:O, you can be an elf from the woods, or a city.  Or a human noble.  Or a dwarf noble, or dwarf casteless.  There's a huge disparity there because it's a first person narrative.

In ME, you play as a person that already existed in a set path, a third person narrative.  The writers have written this character in a specific fashion, they once HAD ****** content lined up, but it was later removed.  This is evidence enough that they wanted Shep to be a hetero character, a la captain Kirk.  This is why he can't be homosexual.  It would require sacrificing the third person narrative that's been established.  If it was established in ME1, that is if ME1 had ****** content, it would imply Shepard was bi curious.  Since this isn't the case, tossing in content like that would be contradictory to the character established.

You're basically saying Shepard can't be a homosexual b/c he's straight but you're not giving hard evidence that he has to be roleplayed straight.  Nothing about Shepard's past as an Alliance Marine/N7 operative/Earthborn-Sole Survivor gives us any clues to his sexuality.   Shepard can be straight and all of those, gay and all of those, or bisexual and all of those. 

[Wittand25]

ReDSH1FT wrote...
OK, let's first understand the difference between DA:O and ME.  Having ****** relationships in the former is fine, there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with it.  The character there can be one of 3 races, from up to 6 radically different backgrounds.  This isn't like Shep's backgrounds, where he's still an Alliance marine in every one. 

The thing is Shepard existed before ME1, if that makes sense.  He was an Alliance marine of some repute, being an N7 operative.  In DA:O, you can be an elf from the woods, or a city.  Or a human noble.  Or a dwarf noble, or dwarf casteless.  There's a huge disparity there because it's a first person narrative.

In ME, you play as a person that already existed in a set path, a third person narrative.  The writers have written this character in a specific fashion, they once HAD ****** content lined up, but it was later removed.  This is evidence enough that they wanted Shep to be a hetero character, a la captain Kirk.  This is why he can't be homosexual.  It would require sacrificing the third person narrative that's been established.  If it was established in ME1, that is if ME1 had ****** content, it would imply Shepard was bi curious.  Since this isn't the case, tossing in content like that would be contradictory to the character established.

Shepard did not exist before ME1, because the player chooses his/her past (birthplace significant events in carrier) at the start of ME1.
Even if he existed before there is no information about his past that makes it impossible for him/her to be gay, and considering the romances in ME1 and 2 are optional they can not be used to define his/her sexuality because a male Shepard can be anything from celibate gay to skirtchasing straight a female Shepard has even more options.

[ReDSH1FT]

jlb524 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...


OK, let's first understand the difference between DA:O and ME.  Having ****** relationships in the former is fine, there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with it.  The character there can be one of 3 races, from up to 6 radically different backgrounds.  This isn't like Shep's backgrounds, where he's still an Alliance marine in every one. 

The thing is Shepard existed before ME1, if that makes sense.  He was an Alliance marine of some repute, being an N7 operative.  In DA:O, you can be an elf from the woods, or a city.  Or a human noble.  Or a dwarf noble, or dwarf casteless.  There's a huge disparity there because it's a first person narrative.

In ME, you play as a person that already existed in a set path, a third person narrative.  The writers have written this character in a specific fashion, they once HAD ****** content lined up, but it was later removed.  This is evidence enough that they wanted Shep to be a hetero character, a la captain Kirk.  This is why he can't be homosexual.  It would require sacrificing the third person narrative that's been established.  If it was established in ME1, that is if ME1 had ****** content, it would imply Shepard was bi curious.  Since this isn't the case, tossing in content like that would be contradictory to the character established.

You're basically saying Shepard can't be a homosexual b/c he's straight but you're not giving hard evidence that he has to be roleplayed straight.  Nothing about Shepard's past as an Alliance Marine/N7 operative/Earthborn-Sole Survivor gives us any clues to his sexuality.   Shepard can be straight and all of those, gay and all of those, or bisexual and all of those. 

If you wanna RP your Shep as a ******, then that's on you.  Do what you want.

Fact is though, the writers and devs removed that sort of content from ME1, and didn't put it in ME2.  When asked about ****** content for ME3, Dr. Muzyka made it pretty clear it's not coming.  He said pretty much the same things I did.  In the end, Shep is a hetero, no matter how much you wanna RP it.  How do you ignore all of that?

[EternalWolfe]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...



What, for ME2, DLC, or ME3?

Any game. I'm not saying why he can't be in a relationship but why he can't be gay.

For a relationship, why can't one that fits said preferences be in DLC or ME3.

OK, let's first understand the difference between DA:O and ME.  Having ****** relationships in the former is fine, there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with it.  The character there can be one of 3 races, from up to 6 radically different backgrounds.  This isn't like Shep's backgrounds, where he's still an Alliance marine in every one. 

The thing is Shepard existed before ME1, if that makes sense.  He was an Alliance marine of some repute, being an N7 operative.  In DA:O, you can be an elf from the woods, or a city.  Or a human noble.  Or a dwarf noble, or dwarf casteless.  There's a huge disparity there because it's a first person narrative.

In ME, you play as a person that already existed in a set path, a third person narrative.  The writers have written this character in a specific fashion, they once HAD ****** content lined up, but it was later removed.  This is evidence enough that they wanted Shep to be a hetero character, a la captain Kirk.  This is why he can't be homosexual.  It would require sacrificing the third person narrative that's been established.  If it was established in ME1, that is if ME1 had ****** content, it would imply Shepard was bi curious.  Since this isn't the case, tossing in content like that would be contradictory to the character established.

Nothing in his noted past makes Shepard strait, so the whole DA:O having a more varied background point doesn't really apply.

I can agree with your point on the rest, with Bioware making their own character.  Still, I'm against banning topics in and of themselves - posters, maybe, but not the topic itself.  This is a board for discussion.  *shrug*

I really don't care what happens in the end.  Not like they're going to force a gay character down my throat(or up somewhere else, for that matter).

Horrible joke is horrible, no?

[ReDSH1FT]

Wittand25 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...
OK, let's first understand the difference between DA:O and ME.  Having ****** relationships in the former is fine, there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with it.  The character there can be one of 3 races, from up to 6 radically different backgrounds.  This isn't like Shep's backgrounds, where he's still an Alliance marine in every one. 

The thing is Shepard existed before ME1, if that makes sense.  He was an Alliance marine of some repute, being an N7 operative.  In DA:O, you can be an elf from the woods, or a city.  Or a human noble.  Or a dwarf noble, or dwarf casteless.  There's a huge disparity there because it's a first person narrative.

In ME, you play as a person that already existed in a set path, a third person narrative.  The writers have written this character in a specific fashion, they once HAD ****** content lined up, but it was later removed.  This is evidence enough that they wanted Shep to be a hetero character, a la captain Kirk.  This is why he can't be homosexual.  It would require sacrificing the third person narrative that's been established.  If it was established in ME1, that is if ME1 had ****** content, it would imply Shepard was bi curious.  Since this isn't the case, tossing in content like that would be contradictory to the character established.

Shepard did not exist before ME1, because the player chooses his/her past (birthplace significant events in carrier) at the start of ME1.
Even if he existed before there is no information about his past that makes it impossible for him/her to be gay, and considering the romances in ME1 and 2 are optional they can not be used to define his/her sexuality because a male Shepard can be anything from celibate gay to skirtchasing straight a female Shepard has even more options.

First, lets clear up one thing.  FemShep doesn't count in any discussion.  We're talkin canon Shep here.  The guy on the box art, commercials, and posters.  Second, yes, he did exist before ME1.  He became an N7 operative during his years of service.  He was stationed with Captain Anderson, one of the biggest heroes the Alliance has. Shepard has a rank and service record already.   The only thing you choose is what fight he became famous for, that's it.  You pick one fight.  He doesn't have ANY dialogue options to flirt with guys, yet has tons to flirt with girls.  GOTTA be a clue in there somewhere.

[ReDSH1FT]

EternalWolfe wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...



What, for ME2, DLC, or ME3?

Any game. I'm not saying why he can't be in a relationship but why he can't be gay.

For a relationship, why can't one that fits said preferences be in DLC or ME3.

OK, let's first understand the difference between DA:O and ME.  Having ****** relationships in the former is fine, there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with it.  The character there can be one of 3 races, from up to 6 radically different backgrounds.  This isn't like Shep's backgrounds, where he's still an Alliance marine in every one. 

The thing is Shepard existed before ME1, if that makes sense.  He was an Alliance marine of some repute, being an N7 operative.  In DA:O, you can be an elf from the woods, or a city.  Or a human noble.  Or a dwarf noble, or dwarf casteless.  There's a huge disparity there because it's a first person narrative.

In ME, you play as a person that already existed in a set path, a third person narrative.  The writers have written this character in a specific fashion, they once HAD ****** content lined up, but it was later removed.  This is evidence enough that they wanted Shep to be a hetero character, a la captain Kirk.  This is why he can't be homosexual.  It would require sacrificing the third person narrative that's been established.  If it was established in ME1, that is if ME1 had ****** content, it would imply Shepard was bi curious.  Since this isn't the case, tossing in content like that would be contradictory to the character established.

Nothing in his noted past makes Shepard strait, so the whole DA:O having a more varied background point doesn't really apply.

I can agree with your point on the rest, with Bioware making their own character.  Still, I'm against banning topics in and of themselves - posters, maybe, but not the topic itself.  This is a board for discussion.  *shrug*

I really don't care what happens in the end.  Not like they're going to force a gay character down my throat(or up somewhere else, for that matter).

Horrible joke is horrible, no?

You're right, nothing in his past labels him as straight, but what I was saying is that he was his own person before ME1.  He did things and didn't do other things.   He wasn't a elf from the alienage, or from a super wealthy noble family.  If he was bi curious or ******, then that would have carried on to ME1 and 2, but it didn't.  Shepard didn't start at ME1, just continued.  Continuation is what I'm saying here.  He doesn't have any options to flirt with guys because he isn't ******.  

[Ryzaki]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

OK, let's first understand the difference between DA:O and ME.  Having ****** relationships in the former is fine, there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with it.  The character there can be one of 3 races, from up to 6 radically different backgrounds.  This isn't like Shep's backgrounds, where he's still an Alliance marine in every one.

Like we're you a Grey Warden?  So...DA and ME aren't different at all in that respect. Jade Empire an even MORE linear game as in you couldn't avoid being Master Li's top student, had a background for being a nice guy, was best friends with Dawn Star, rivals (or enemies) with Gao. All of this would not change regardless of gender or choices you made. Homosexual relationships existed in Jade Empire and the character even had the same option (like Shepard has) of simply going "not interested" without going into why into every single romance character.

The thing is Shepard existed before ME1, if that makes sense.  He was an Alliance marine of some repute, being an N7 operative.  In DA:O, you can be an elf from the woods, or a city.  Or a human noble.  Or a dwarf noble, or dwarf casteless.  There's a huge disparity there because it's a first person narrative.

Um..no its not. IN DA:O no matter where you came from you end up a grey warden. In ME you can be from earth, a colony, or (I think the last one you lived on a ship? I think...don't play that origin). In Jade Empire you were stuck as the top student in that village with that best friend and that rival. That's it. There's was no "origins" that was the origin. And once again. Gay romance content.

In ME, you play as a person that already existed in a set path, a third person narrative.  The writers have written this character in a specific fashion, they once HAD ****** content lined up, but it was later removed.  This is evidence enough that they wanted Shep to be a hetero character, a la captain Kirk.  This is why he can't be homosexual.  It would require sacrificing the third person narrative that's been established.  If it was established in ME1, that is if ME1 had ****** content, it would imply Shepard was bi curious.  Since this isn't the case, tossing in content like that would be contradictory to the character established.

Everything you just said applies equally for DA and JE. And no they didn't want Shep to be a la captin Kirk if they did FemShep wouldn't exist and the game would force you to take a female LI. Jade Empire the game pratically throws you into a romance with Dawn Star (if you're male) however that doesn't stop you from telling her "not interested." in Mass Effect you can do the same thing. "not interested." only difference is there isn't a male LI hat becomes avaliable to romance once you've done so.

The fact that the content isn't there means little when you're not forced to affirm your orientation in any way during gameplay. Homosexual content not being in the game was a concious design decision because they felt the market was too small for it not because they wanted Shep to be canoically "straight" the gay romance for Shep threads are a way for us to let BioWare know that their is a market for it.

Also: Those choices aren't the limit of what Shep can do or his personality. They are merely the limits the Developers have for the player to express what they want their character to be. My Shep would never punch that reporter so that option being there means nothing. Its not in his character. Just like the romances with female LIs are not in his character.

And FemShep is just as canon as MaleShep is. They both are pretty much the same person but gender flipped.


All of your points apply equally to ME, DA and Jade Empire. If it makes sense for their to be gay romance in one then it makes sense for their to be gay romance in all.

Also: Shep could be asesxual for all we know. We don't know his complete history. Who are you to know if he had a male or female lover before joining the alliance? Oh wait that's up to the individual playing.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 février 2010 - 05:19 .

[Stanley Woo]

Sorry, but no.



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