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The last chapter of our Warden hero?


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... or heroine, not that it is very gender determinate, nowadays.

Anyways, I was thinking about the *increasing* likelihood that DA2 will not feature our hero/ine at all.

I am one of those sad figures that becomes emotionally attached to good stories and good characters, and would dearly miss any opportunity to continue the story of our Warden in a future installment.

That being said, I think it would be a great thing if the DA world was opened up for many different characters and stories, and would very much enjoy a game set in a different part of Thedas... oddly, the devs are asking about this on the general forum.

I understand that there may even be a plot-thread to resolve, i.e. Morrigan's offspring... I personally believe that "Lord Foreshadow" was referring to Morrigan's offspring as twins, rather than as a link to the second installment.

That all being said, who would prefer some kind of link to a later game where our data for the original DA hero was transferrable?

Perhaps a DA3 where the hero from 1 or 2 could take part?

I just am not emotionally ready to "re-roll" and start again... yes, sad...

So... who is with me, and who disagrees?

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id like to keep playing my current character, however i dont expect my character to live forever

i would like to play as morrigan/hero's son/daughter maybe in a later time were there are more grey wardens, and be able to be a mage/warrior or mage/rogue mix, maybe even turn into archdemon form to fight big baddies

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zykinwulf wrote...

id like to keep playing my current character, however i dont expect my character to live forever
i would like to play as morrigan/hero's son/daughter maybe in a later time were there are more grey wardens, and be able to be a mage/warrior or mage/rogue mix, maybe even turn into archdemon form to fight big baddies


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I agree... except about the archdemon part!!

I think that a DA2 featuring a "level 1" character would still be an acceptable thing to do for obsessives like me...

I just think that a DA3 where *either* character could be imported sounds like a great idea.

Still, it seems like they already have a master plan.

Curioser and curioser...

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My first impression after finishing DA:O was that I would love to see sequels that expand on the setting but don't necessarily feature the same characters and plot threads. Of course, I wouldn't object to having another chance, beyond Awakening, to continue on with the same Warden, but I guess I'm more attached to the world in general than my hero. (I would enjoy seeing Morrigan or her kid or some other DA:O characters appearing as important characters or party members in future games though.)



That said, I am really looking forward to getting to use the same guy in Awakening. And if BioWare decides to let us continue on with our original Warden beyond that, I certainly won't complain.

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I think this just might be a trilogy, not counting the expansions and DLC contents. It was so popular with RPG games in the earlier part of last decade, I don't see why not.



But it is up to David Gaider and gang. It is afterall they would are the game-masters, we are but players in their creativity.

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its fun either way


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I *highly* doubt that DA2 features the original character...



Of course, this is speculation... but I tend to trust the judgment of Maria Caliban.



A girl that snarky should never be wrong...

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Stoomkal wrote...

... or heroine, not that it is very gender determinate, nowadays.

Anyways, I was thinking about the *increasing* likelihood that DA2 will not feature our hero/ine at all.

I am one of those sad figures that becomes emotionally attached to good stories and good characters, and would dearly miss any opportunity to continue the story of our Warden in a future installment.

That being said, I think it would be a great thing if the DA world was opened up for many different characters and stories, and would very much enjoy a game set in a different part of Thedas... oddly, the devs are asking about this on the general forum.

I understand that there may even be a plot-thread to resolve, i.e. Morrigan's offspring... I personally believe that "Lord Foreshadow" was referring to Morrigan's offspring as twins, rather than as a link to the second installment.

That all being said, who would prefer some kind of link to a later game where our data for the original DA hero was transferrable?

Perhaps a DA3 where the hero from 1 or 2 could take part?

I just am not emotionally ready to "re-roll" and start again... yes, sad...

So... who is with me, and who disagrees?


i totally agree; i'm not ... y'know, emotionally ready ... either.

a few people mentioned morrigan's offspring, but for many people, morrigan's offspring won't exist.  i'm actually pretty up in the air myself--if morrigan's new gods are featured in a later game, this will be a HUGE DEAL; but what about the people that didn't choose that ending?

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I'm fine with *not* continuing the Warden's story into DA2, and actually prefer it that way. What I want to see is a decent wrap-up of the story in DA1 expansions.

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Stoomkal wrote...

I *highly* doubt that DA2 features the original character...

Of course, this is speculation... but I tend to trust the judgment of Maria Caliban.

A girl that snarky should never be wrong...


I certainly hope she is and also hope against hope, the sequel is already in the final phase, so we don't have to wait 6 months to a yer to find out.

Is Maria Caliban one of the staff?

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My Fereldan Warden is good to retire and live well after Awakening. I'm all for giving Thedas a new hero in another part of the world.

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darkmax1974 wrote...

Stoomkal wrote...

I *highly* doubt that DA2 features the original character...

Of course, this is speculation... but I tend to trust the judgment of Maria Caliban.

A girl that snarky should never be wrong...


I certainly hope she is and also hope against hope, the sequel is already in the final phase, so we don't have to wait 6 months to a yer to find out.

Is Maria Caliban one of the staff?


...

No... she is just a girl with good judgement and a bad temper Image IPB

I think she helps with the wiki, though, not sure...

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I sincerely doubt our Warden would have an excuse to travel all across Thedas. That alone is reason enough to refute any possible outcomes starring our Warden for the sequel, since it's equally absurd to assume Ferelden or Orlais is all we'll see in the world. Gaider himself stated how this series doesn't necessarily have to be set within the Dragon Age, so the near guaranteed passage of time is another factor here.

No developer says things like that unless they mean it. This is a fantasy world, filled to the brim with rich history and culture. They wouldn't exactly be capitalizing on such fantastic writing with direct sequels.

Modifié par Caozen, 26 février 2010 - 04:34 .


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Excellent point.



In fact, our warden should *stay* locked in his small little country that smells like dog...



I would still except a cheap excuse for him to leave... perhaps they called a "Warden Council?"

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I really hope I *do* get to keep using my warden. At least until he's had some kind of closure on his personal development.

I would have done the Ultimate Sacrifice if it was sufficiently wrapped up in DAO, but Morrigan left so it wasn't. At the very least, that needs to be resolved, one way or the other (whichever way is the good way), and then I'll be content to move on to a different character. Even if you romanced someone else, there's still not very much closure. And it doesn't have to be a happy ending...but it does have to be an ending.

I guess I'm just a cinematically-minded gamer. I'm not really interested in min-maxing or powergaming or whatever you want to call it, nor am I interested in muddling around with money or inventory endlessly, nor am I interested in playing some one-dimensional tough guy who destroys all the bad guys and then the game is over. I want a story, I want character development, I want drama. This is why Dragon Age appeals to me so much. I want a game would be nearly as fun to watch as it is to play, just for the story.

Anyone can give you a character with REAL ULTIMATE POWER and let you flip out and kill a whole city, but I'd rather play a game where the main character has weaknesses and flaws and facets and rises to greatness or falls into oblivion or redeems himself or damns himself or falls in love or falls out of love or makes friends or makes enemies. And only after the narrative (both the world-wide story and his personal story) has fully run its course will I be free to move on to another story.

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I think it is easier to start from scratch with a new character and companions in a new nation. Rather than overcomplicate things by accounting for all the backstory in the previous game + expansions.



And even if they did manage to bring back the same character. Fans would still furiously complain about how their decisions were not carried over, their favourite companion is not returning or their romance is not acknowledged.



Also I think it is better for the main character to be adapted to the setting and the story. Rather than having the Grey Warden from Ferelden travelling around each nation in Thedas solving epic quests.

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I'd like to see the Warden at least get to maybe travel a little bit- maybe out to Orlais or get out to Weisshaupt Fortress with the other Wardens. I think there is still a lot of story left to be told about the Wardens and would hate it if they just skip all around Thedas with disconnected stories just for the sake of exploring all of Thedas.



If they can wrap up the Warden's story in expansions, fine. But I wouldn't be opposed to having our Warden back for DA2 ( if for nothing else than to deal with Morrigan...)




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I would really like to be able to import our chars into DA2 and even possibly DA3 and continue the Warden's adventuring exploits.

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I've been thinking about this a lot since I heard that DA2 might not feature any wardens at all, meaning no PC and no Alistair. I found that very disappointing since I think there's a lot more story to be told in Fereldan.

While previous Bioware game consistantly tell engaging stories, I'm not a fan of the way the characters tend to be abandoned in sequels, sometimes unhappily. Right now, most of the DA characters have been left to an uncertain future. It feels like a tv show where we've only watched the first season, but there's talk of ditching it for a spin-off set in the same world. I'd really rather have a second season. Spin-offs are are well and good, but only after the loose ends are tied up from the first show, and all the stories told.

It really depends on if more expansions are planned for DA:Origins, or if they just move on to DA2. I have a vested interest in these characters, and while I would automatically buy expansions that provide further adventures after the end of the blight, or a DA2 that does the same, I can't say that the same is true for a DA2 that doesn't. I'd basically be judging it as I judge any new game coming onto the market--as one that I may or may not decide to buy. I wasn't interested in buying Mass Effect 2, and I may not be interested in a DA2 that isn't a follow up. It will be a separate decision rather than a given.

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I don't want another Warden. There's a big world in there, lots of other possible antagonists. All the Grey Wardens ever do concerns Darkspawn.

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I accept anything but :

1) Being a Grey Warden. Things would be too repetitive.

2) Being Morrigan's child. I didn't do the ritual, it's a bit hard to assume there is a child on the way. IF Morrigan's child is the final baddie, then heck yeah, I'll kill him/her while Morrigan will watch, then I'll go for Morrigan and kill her too. If that fails, well, hopefully Flemeth will come and eat her body and I'll be happy! :D

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I would like ym character to be expanded into further games but if not, i'd be very happy with just some acknowledgment of what my character did, etc, like say if you married alistair and became queen or whatever, just a mention about the "famous grey wardens who saved ferelden and ruled the land etc" or how your decisions effected the land. even if they don't feature in it. I think with the whole morrigan issue, they writers might find a way to involve it even if people didnt take that route?

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I think it's most likely that we'll play a character from different part of Thedas each time a sequel comes out. This would be a lot more interesting than revisting places or lores we've already expriencd in DA:O.

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i'm not super familiar with bioware's previous sequel-character-continuing-decisions, but i'd be completely shocked to discover they suddenly abandoned writing a Video Game Story and started writing, a, um, you know, more realistic story.

i adored the prequels, The Stolen Throne and The Calling, but really only because i'm so invested in the world and my characters. as a story, outside of that emotional context, it was a little ridic! and i don't think they intended it to be otherwise (as this video-game-y sort of story probably would have been easier to avoid than to tell, amirite?).

i don't know. maybe the majority of the fanbase cares more about the tactics of fighting, like my bf does (using confusing WoW terminology to describe what i know as "pressing some buttons, then totally winning"). as a silly girl who totally gives two or three effs about the story, i couldn't bear to see any continuation without at least a few nods toward my original grey warden(s); and i suppose by "a few nods" i mean approx. 1 million, and the choice to keep playing her(/them).

anyway. i am approximately one human female with approximately 1.2 opinions

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& to be clear! i'm not trying to criticize the writing; i totally adore it. i'm just saying it's not the kind of writing that finds it necessary to totally screw you over at the end of every installment like some good books do. and that's something my sensitive li'l heart appreciates, sometimes. hah!