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I wasn't a big Oblivion fan, but I do think Fallout 3 is worth your time. Also, it's retrogaming at this point, but I loved Morrowind. Oblivion was sort of dumbed down Morrowind.
I would recommend going back and playing Planescape: Torment or Baldur's Gate 1 & 2, except I can't do so myself. The old AD&D ruleset is just so arbitrary and ridiculous that it inhibits my enjoyment of the story.
Vampire: Bloodlines is also an awesome game, and is usually available for incredibly cheap on sites like Direct2Drive and (I think) Steam. I also really enjoyed Troika's Temple of Elemental Evil. It doesn't have the best story on the planet, but it has by far the best CRPG adaption of D&D 3.5 combat I've ever seen.
other rpg games of the same caliber
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 05:25
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Yep. Most of the folks who champion the Bethsoft games rail against BioWare's approach, linear story-driven games, often saying they want more freedom to explore, that the games are too limiting, and most of the folks who champion the BioWare games rail against Bethsoft's style, saying that while the world feels large, it also feels empty, and that the stories seem pedestrian and unengaging.AlanC9 wrote...
Exactly, but you get that freedom at the price of having nothing really matter much. People who really like the Bethesda approach tend to dislike Bio's approach, and vice versa.
While I clearly prefer BioWare's approach, I can undstand both views, and I think the reality is that, whatever your preference, they are completely different beasts, completely different styles of RPG.
I actually loved Morrowind. Spent hundreds of hours playing it. Oblivion just didn't carry the same attraction for me. Maybe famiiarity bred contempt.I found Morrowind quite dull, except that the world and lore was worth exploring. On that level it was worthwhile -- I followed Torias' recommendation that you just go all-out for exploits, since the combat is dull enough that you don't really want to take it seriously.
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 05:29
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You can't mention PS:T too much. Don't worry.poisonoustea wrote...
I loved the first two so much.Those and Planescape Torment (I'm always naming it, I know) were the only games I found worth playing, as I don't like gaming usually. And I spent years and years away from any serious involvement in games till I found ME and ME2.
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 05:33
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I think PS:T is still number one on my list of all-time CRPGs.
'course the entire list is basically BioWare and Black Isle games, so I guess it's largely interchangeable, whether it's the Baldur's Gate Series or the KotOR series or the ME series or (hopefully in time) the Dragon Age series.
'course the entire list is basically BioWare and Black Isle games, so I guess it's largely interchangeable, whether it's the Baldur's Gate Series or the KotOR series or the ME series or (hopefully in time) the Dragon Age series.
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 05:38
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I was always more of a Black Isle fanboy than a Bioware fanboy. That said, DA is the first game that I'd put on the same level as Planescape: Torment.
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 05:40
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Morrowind was amazing and Oblivion was, whilst it did look prettier, an empty knockoff with very little actual content ("but it has voiceovars!").keginkc wrote...
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I actually loved Morrowind. Spent hundreds of hours playing it. Oblivion just didn't carry the same attraction for me. Maybe famiiarity bred contempt.
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 05:44
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VtM: Bloodlines, Dragon Age: Origins, Lost Odyssey (turn based combat & long gaps between save points), The Witcher, Planescape: Torment, Baldur's Gate I & II, ToEE (with community patches), Arcanum (just re-released), Jade Empire...
Anything by Bioware, Black Isle Studio, or Trokia (loads of bugs fixed by the community)!
Anything by Bioware, Black Isle Studio, or Trokia (loads of bugs fixed by the community)!
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 05:46
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You know all of the games listed are great games. I'm not a fanboy of any kind of game... I'm a gamer and I really just enjoy any video game that gets me motivated on a personal level. Bethesda and BioWare both make great games Fallout, Morrowind, Oblivion, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, all are good games. Even the older retro games are excellent games that won awards and have huge fanbases. I recommend Final Fantasy games. Heck I bought a Playstation 1 a few months back just to replay FF7-9.
But the impression I am getting from the OP stating that he has never played RPGs kinda tells me that he is of a younger audience and may not be into retro gaming like some of us are. So I will recommend RPGs from the last 5 years or so... because the technology won't be a giant step backwards.
But the impression I am getting from the OP stating that he has never played RPGs kinda tells me that he is of a younger audience and may not be into retro gaming like some of us are. So I will recommend RPGs from the last 5 years or so... because the technology won't be a giant step backwards.
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 05:47
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actually ME series not rpg at all. its a kind of "rpg light".
If you look good first person rpg look at System Shock 2, Deus EX series, Morrorwind. Oblivion and Fallout 3(last couple strictly with mods).
If you look good first person rpg look at System Shock 2, Deus EX series, Morrorwind. Oblivion and Fallout 3(last couple strictly with mods).
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No, please. Don't tell me that or I'll start a Planescape:Torment love thread. That game's damn literature to me.Varenus Luckmann wrote...
You can't mention PS:T too much. Don't worry.poisonoustea wrote...
I loved the first two so much.Those and Planescape Torment (I'm always naming it, I know) were the only games I found worth playing, as I don't like gaming usually. And I spent years and years away from any serious involvement in games till I found ME and ME2.
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 06:16
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Fallout 3 is the closest thing you can get to the RPG/shooter hybrid which is ME2. The good thing about FO3 is that it is very moddable and there are some huge mods out there which surpase some of the official DLC. I dont like the basic game so much but with some of the major mods it becomes a hell lot better. Mods make every game worth a lot more, BioWare and Ubisoft *hintedy hint hint"!
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 06:19
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I always thought Rise of the Argonauts was underrated... sure it rips off ME's dialogue wheel, and has a few flaws, but it's pretty darn entertaining still.
If you want to play Bethesda games just remember you get what you give, the more you make an effort to put yourself into their world the more you enjoy it.
KOTOR is a must as it's the same team that made Mass Effect. Amazing game.
If you want to play Bethesda games just remember you get what you give, the more you make an effort to put yourself into their world the more you enjoy it.
KOTOR is a must as it's the same team that made Mass Effect. Amazing game.
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 06:21
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It really depends what kind of experience you are going for. ME and DA are definitely two different properties and I don't know if the older engines would hinder you playing some of the older games listed here. They are great games but they are not always as easily engaging as the few you have listed. I would also recommend trying some other stuff that is not RPG but story heavy. Grim Fandango being a long time favorite that is just an amazing game. Bethesda Games not be the best games for you to try as they are so open as to make it hard if not impossible to tell what to do. Please remember that a lot of the older games will have gaming mechanics that make it harder to play. Generally lessons are learned and problems have been fixed generation to generation.
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 06:31
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ME2 is not an RPG?
That's just an ultimately ridiculous statement.
That's just an ultimately ridiculous statement.
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 06:36
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No, please. Don't tell me that or I'll start a Planescape:Torment love thread. That game's damn literature to me.Varenus Luckmann wrote...
You can't mention PS:T too much. Don't worry.poisonoustea wrote...
I loved the first two so much.Those and Planescape Torment (I'm always naming it, I know) were the only games I found worth playing, as I don't like gaming usually. And I spent years and years away from any serious involvement in games till I found ME and ME2.
so what can change the nature of a man?
again, i already posted it, but Lost Odyssey. it is JRPG with free-roaming WesternRPG world design. The combat is turn based but makes an effort to improve the outdated mechanic by introducing twitch combat rings. these rings require timing and god help us all, skill.
not a lot of skill, but it means fights can be easier and won faster if you choose to interact with the fight, instead of just watching it like a movie while eating popcorn and getting the controller greasy from popcorn butter.
i would even suggest to any game writers who have not played Lost Odyssey to do so. if you want to see emotionally engaging video game dialogue and cinematics at their very finest, i would go as far as to say LO rivals the best of BW's work in terms of being "emotionally engaging"
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 06:38
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Oooh, Arcanum. That was a good one. Loved that steampunky approach. Played the hell out of it.whiteraider wrote...
VtM: Bloodlines, Dragon Age: Origins, Lost Odyssey (turn based combat & long gaps between save points), The Witcher, Planescape: Torment, Baldur's Gate I & II, ToEE (with community patches), Arcanum (just re-released), Jade Empire...!
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 06:45
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Fallout 3 while a good game is nowhere near the same caliber as the Mass Effect series. The NPC interactions in Mass Effect are so, so, so much richer than Bethesda's RPG's. Bethesda uses pretty much the same five voice actors for every single NPC and it drives me crazy. There is no depth at all in that department. The only thing Bethesda's games (Oblivion and Fallout) beat Mass Effect in is environment. There is a lot of exploring potential in Bethesda's worlds and I like that, wish Bioware did that with Mass Effect.
Borderlands, LOL. How can anyone even call that an RPG. It's sort of fun, but really cmon now.
Borderlands, LOL. How can anyone even call that an RPG. It's sort of fun, but really cmon now.
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so what can change the nature of a man?
Nothing.
You know, just hearing that question makes me giddy. Fortunately, I have the game installed for such an emergency. Man, that game. When damn text can surpass any HD graphics, cinematic action; whatever the hell the gaming industry can come up with, literature always tops it.
I'm a bit scared of JRPGs though. I was a big fan of FFVII when I was a kid, now years and years passed and the series has lost any of its... appeal to me, and so all JRPGs. Is Lost Odyssey really that good, story-wise?
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 07:01
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IMO, Lost Odyssey is one of the best RPGs ever made. It is definitely in the top 20, hard to say top 10 without grueling over composing a formal list. Arguably top 10, definitely worth playing. however afaik it is exclusive to the xbox360, hence its lack of popularity.
you can buy it now for 10-20$ on ebay or at local game shops used.
it should be noted that LO is created by the creator of the Final Fantasy series, Hironobu Sakaguchi. He left Square-enix and has his own studio, Mistwalker. ME2 feels like a game that was surprised half way through dev with a disc swap, Lost Odyssey was designed to be an epic. it comes on 4 discs and treats each disc as a huge epic chapter of the game. i think to beat the game you need to put in ~80 hours. BUT the game and story are actually good enough to compel you to beat it. The skill building is unrivaled in any RPG to date.
you can buy it now for 10-20$ on ebay or at local game shops used.
it should be noted that LO is created by the creator of the Final Fantasy series, Hironobu Sakaguchi. He left Square-enix and has his own studio, Mistwalker. ME2 feels like a game that was surprised half way through dev with a disc swap, Lost Odyssey was designed to be an epic. it comes on 4 discs and treats each disc as a huge epic chapter of the game. i think to beat the game you need to put in ~80 hours. BUT the game and story are actually good enough to compel you to beat it. The skill building is unrivaled in any RPG to date.
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 07:13
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ME2 is not an RPG?
That's just an ultimately ridiculous statement.
The likes of the guy you quoted are the exact reason why i tend to stay away from the forums.
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 07:19
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Fallout 1 and 2 are both excellent (Fallout 3 is one of the worst, most overrated games ever and the person who claimed it was better than ME2 likely had a frontal lobotomy or is just retarded)
Deus Ex
System Shock 2
Most of these have been mentioned, but one additional one I didn't see is Arcanum
Deus Ex
System Shock 2
Most of these have been mentioned, but one additional one I didn't see is Arcanum
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 07:23
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well if you enjoyed ME's and Dragon Age I should recommend you to play KOTOR 1 & 2 aswell.
Fallout 3 is also a nice game in my opinion, tho it has alot of flaws (heard it crashes quite often on PC etc) and on my xbox I have noticed that my fallout 3 starts bugging and then freezes every few hours...
Fallout 3 is also a nice game in my opinion, tho it has alot of flaws (heard it crashes quite often on PC etc) and on my xbox I have noticed that my fallout 3 starts bugging and then freezes every few hours...
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 07:26
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Stay away from Fallout 3 as thats just a basic shooter with almost no story.
riiiiiight....
I disagree Fallout 3 had a good story
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 07:33
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Kalfear wrote...
Stay away from Fallout 3 as thats just a basic shooter with almost no story.
Fallout 3 has in my opinion most content compared to other modern single player RPG's, Havent played oblivion so dont know how much content that game has, the whole idea of Fallout 3 is to do everything else EXCEPT the main story, or thats how I allways played
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Posté 26 février 2010 - 07:36
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I agree with scyphozoa about Lost Odyssey. Without a doubt the best JRPG of this generation, and not only because the competition is rather weak. I wouldn't say it's 80 hours long, though, more like 60 (10 per disc + 20 for bonus content), which is still more than enough.
As far as storytelling goes, it is indeed good enough to be compared with one of BioWare's own. The dream sequences, which really set the game apart, are very well made and will invoke emotions in ways you didn't know were possible by a mere JRPG. Without a doubt a must-have for any 360 owner.
As far as storytelling goes, it is indeed good enough to be compared with one of BioWare's own. The dream sequences, which really set the game apart, are very well made and will invoke emotions in ways you didn't know were possible by a mere JRPG. Without a doubt a must-have for any 360 owner.
