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trigger2kill1 wrote...

Didn't understand the reason why we were not given the chance to knock him off his perch with the sniper rifle though.
Quick and clean and the workers get a chance but the devs decided, or never concidered this angle.


Zaeed's "Revenge" mission is very similar to the one that Adm. Anderson was on with Saren. We can go the Saren's way, or we can try to play it out differently. Has some sense regarding the rumors that Shepard may become Saren v2.0 in the end of ME3.

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I like Zaeed. Hes a guy you wouldnt want to mess with. And hence, a good squadmate to have around.

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yummysoap wrote...

I'm not the one sucking off Zaeed.


Who do you suck off?

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Ba-ding! I have finally won this argument considering you have nothing better to say, thus rendering my e-pen0r larger than yours.



But okay. I'll be civilized for once. Yes, he's an okay character with more dimensions than I have previously given him credit for (some of his idle mission talk was actually quite good), but I don't like him, simply because he's too 'i'm a badass' and he kills innocents just to get to one guy.



I get that others like his humour and shiz, so that's all cool.

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His mission made him seem a little too much a loose cannon for me to trust with anything more delicate than "Shoot Absolutely Everything."


And this is what Shepard usually has to do on his missions. Thus Zaeed is best squadmate ever.

Elnora: Please, guys, I was just about going home and hugging my teddy-bear!..
Zaeed: You have Eclipse uniform on you. Turn your face to wall.

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I liked Zaeed, as a character and as a squadmate. His stories were fun to listen to, and he didn't hero-worship Shepard, he treated him more or less like an equal. Zaeed's a warrior of the old school. Like Marv from Sin City, he's a man born in the wrong century.


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yummysoap wrote...

Ba-ding! I have finally won this argument considering you have nothing better to say,


If you say so.

thus rendering my e-pen0r larger than yours.


Now I am scared.

But okay. I'll be civilized for once.


Finally!
You are making a lot of progress. Growing up right in the middle of the forum!

Yes, he's an okay character with more dimensions than I have previously given him credit for (some of his idle mission talk was actually quite good), but I don't like him, simply because he's too 'i'm a badass' and he kills innocents just to get to one guy.

I get that others like his humour and shiz, so that's all cool.


Joker: Zaeed is like you, only takes checks.
Seems you think of Commander Shepard as about a little more paragon, then he really is.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 26 février 2010 - 01:35 .


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Zaeed is a badass...at least in character...I really like him...just wish he had more dialogue tree's like everyone else...as it is he feels out of place when you talk to him on the Normandy 2 because there's no actual interactive dialogue..but I can get over that cause he's a cool character



now..actually taking him on missions...I don't find him that useful....that doesn't mean I'm gonna idiotically say that not finding him that useful = useless like most...he is still decent enough in pure fighing..but he lacks utility others bring..hence "not that useful."

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I don't mind him, I never use him, but I don't mind him.



What I do mind though is that he's the only sodding character to not have a proper conversation wheel.

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Zulu_DFA wrote...

yummysoap wrote...

Ba-ding! I have finally won this argument considering you have nothing better to say,


If you say so.

thus rendering my e-pen0r larger than yours.


Now I am scared.

But okay. I'll be civilized for once.


Finally!
You are making a lot of progress. Growing up right in the middle of the forum!

Yes, he's an okay character with more dimensions than I have previously given him credit for (some of his idle mission talk was actually quite good), but I don't like him, simply because he's too 'i'm a badass' and he kills innocents just to get to one guy.

I get that others like his humour and shiz, so that's all cool.


Joker: Zaeed is like you, only takes checks.
Seems you think of Commander Shepard as about a little more paragon, then he really is.

Oh come on. It's very difficult to be civilized when you're using some abstract comment Joker makes as evidence against every action that i consciously chose throughout the game. Or do you not understand the concept that maybe yo' Shepard and mah Shepard not be the same hurrrrrrrrr

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Some people hate Zaeed because... They're scared

Modifié par cronshaw8, 26 février 2010 - 01:39 .


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I don't hate him, nor do I want to kill him, nor do I care if Shepard is the center of the universe, though it does make the game more fun. I just think he's boring. He doesn't have nearly enough conversations, nearly enough personality, or nearly enough of an opinion for me to really care. Plus, the ending of his loyalty mission was kind of stupid, at least for Paragons. Made no sense why that would 'gain his loyalty'. Might as well have not even bothered.



A character has to be pretty awful to make me hate him, but they have to be absolutely amazing to make me like them when they're standing up beside the group we got in ME2. Zaeed just couldn't compete.



Basically my view of Zaeed is; nice package, not enough substance.

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Suron wrote...

Zaeed is a badass...at least in character...I really like him...just wish he had more dialogue tree's like everyone else...as it is he feels out of place when you talk to him on the Normandy 2 because there's no actual interactive dialogue..but I can get over that cause he's a cool character

now..actually taking him on missions...I don't find him that useful....that doesn't mean I'm gonna idiotically say that not finding him that useful = useless like most...he is still decent enough in pure fighing..but he lacks utility others bring..hence "not that useful."


In the field he is pure firepower. With decent effectiveness againts all three types of defences enemies might harness. Hence he is always with me on the mssions.

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[quote]yummysoap wrote...

Joker: Zaeed is like you, only takes checks.
Seems you think of Commander Shepard as about a little more paragon, then he really is.[/quote]
Oh come on. It's very difficult to be civilized when you're using some abstract comment Joker makes as evidence against every action that i consciously chose throughout the game. Or do you not understand the concept that maybe yo' Shepard and mah Shepard not be the same hurrrrrrrrr

[/quote]

There IS "canon Shepard". He has that stupid ShepLoo's face, but seems much more like *my* Shepard, then *yours.* That's why Joker likes them both.

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Son, I am disappoint.



Default Shepard /= Canon Shepard. Bioware wouldn't go to the bother of creating alternate storylines if there was a "canon". And even if it were, that doesn't negate my Shepard any more than it does yours, or some Tali fanboy, or Bob. Every Shepard is canon to every individual- that's one of the bloody selling points of the game. Your point remains invalid.

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yummysoap wrote...

Son, I am disappoint.

Default Shepard /= Canon Shepard. Bioware wouldn't go to the bother of creating alternate storylines if there was a "canon". And even if it were, that doesn't negate my Shepard any more than it does yours, or some Tali fanboy, or Bob. Every Shepard is canon to every individual- that's one of the bloody selling points of the game. Your point remains invalid.


Again, if you say so.

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Zulu_DFA wrote...

yummysoap wrote...

No, genius. They hate him because he almost killed an entire refinery full of slaves just so he could kill one guy on his personal revenge mission. They also hate him because all of his 'badboy i've jus bin thinkin' about dis mishun' stories are pathetic and always involve him inadvertently killing everyone he's with.

Sure, the dork has a few good lines, that doesn't mean he's not a tosser. And f*ck knocking on his door, my Shepard smacked that c*nt good on his loyalty mission and all he did was complain.


No, hub of the universe. That personal revenge mission was part of the bargain between him and your boss TIM. So screw the workers. Mission comes first and a stubborn enough person can survive just about anything. And if you don't knock at his door, you'll catch a knife in the eye someday.


Read the mission brief again. The job was to liberate the refinery and the refinery workers from the Blue Suns.  Zaeed's reason for taking the job was so he could kill Vido.  Blowing up the refinery and leaving the workers to die was certainly not in the work order.

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Zulu_DFA wrote...

they think Shepard is the hub of the universe, and Zaeed seems to be unaware of this. He just does his job, and does not require babysitting.

Also they have nothing to say to him. Nothing that Zaeed would be interested to hear. And that annoyes them greatly, to the point of total frustration.

Also Zaeed is the only person before entering whose quarters Shepard has to knock at the door.


Blue Cabinet
Blue Cabinet
Blue Cabinet
Blue Cabinet
Red Milk Crate
Blue Cabinet
Blue Cabinet

Can *you* see what's inconsistent about this set-up?

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Stengahpolis wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

yummysoap wrote...

No, genius. They hate him because he almost killed an entire refinery full of slaves just so he could kill one guy on his personal revenge mission. They also hate him because all of his 'badboy i've jus bin thinkin' about dis mishun' stories are pathetic and always involve him inadvertently killing everyone he's with.

Sure, the dork has a few good lines, that doesn't mean he's not a tosser. And f*ck knocking on his door, my Shepard smacked that c*nt good on his loyalty mission and all he did was complain.


No, hub of the universe. That personal revenge mission was part of the bargain between him and your boss TIM. So screw the workers. Mission comes first and a stubborn enough person can survive just about anything. And if you don't knock at his door, you'll catch a knife in the eye someday.


Read the mission brief again. The job was to liberate the refinery and the refinery workers from the Blue Suns.  Zaeed's reason for taking the job was so he could kill Vido.  Blowing up the refinery and leaving the workers to die was certainly not in the work order.


Hmm... On it.

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they hate him because he is far too awesome. He doesn't try and act badass... he just speaks the truth, and his truth is more badass than anyone can imagine. Fear brings hate.

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There's just not enough of Zaeed for my Shep's to hate, He's a bad-ass who just doesn't measure up to some of Bioware's previous characters like Canderous Ordo or HK-47 of KotOR for example. At least that's how I see him and he'll be permanently relegated to the recycling room for me.

"Definition: 'Love' is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope. Statement: This definition, I am told, is subject to interpretation. Obviously, love is a matter of odds. Not many meatbags could make such a shot, and fewer would derive love from it. Yet for me, love is knowing your target, putting them in your targeting reticle, and together, achieving a singular purpose, against statistically long odds."
-HK-47

Now *that* is badass:devil:

Modifié par Slayer299, 26 février 2010 - 02:16 .


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Hate? No no, I just find him to be a complete basket case. In fact I think he generally doesn't even provoke a hate reaction, because he is so inconsequential. The fact that I'm posting now is only because I'm so bored I could even consider taking him on my team for once.



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If i wanted the factory blown up i would have hit it with an orbital bombardment from the Normanry



I did not.



Zaeed is a cold, calculating amoral killer for hire.



If the Shadow Broker had hired him first he would be an enemy.

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Zulu_DFA wrote...

Stengahpolis wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

yummysoap wrote...

No, genius. They hate him because he almost killed an entire refinery full of slaves just so he could kill one guy on his personal revenge mission. They also hate him because all of his 'badboy i've jus bin thinkin' about dis mishun' stories are pathetic and always involve him inadvertently killing everyone he's with.

Sure, the dork has a few good lines, that doesn't mean he's not a tosser. And f*ck knocking on his door, my Shepard smacked that c*nt good on his loyalty mission and all he did was complain.


No, hub of the universe. That personal revenge mission was part of the bargain between him and your boss TIM. So screw the workers. Mission comes first and a stubborn enough person can survive just about anything. And if you don't knock at his door, you'll catch a knife in the eye someday.


Read the mission brief again. The job was to liberate the refinery and the refinery workers from the Blue Suns.  Zaeed's reason for taking the job was so he could kill Vido.  Blowing up the refinery and leaving the workers to die was certainly not in the work order.


Hmm... On it.


Bargain:
TIM: pays Zaeed $ X'000'000.
Zaeed: Works for Shepard on a very big mission.
Shepard: Works for Zaeed on a small mission.

Zaeed is the boss on Zorya. If Shepard doesn't like that, he can refrain from going to that the mission altogether. As on any other "loyalty mission". BTW Zaeed didn't know for sure that Vido was there until they landed and heard the comm chatter. Yes, he acted like a loose canon, when he met Vido face to face, but I bet I'd be extremely excited looking in the eyes of man who'd shot me in the head 20 years back.

Anyway, it's a matter of your paragon/renegadeship. Does Vido need to get shot more than those workers need being saved, or not?

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 26 février 2010 - 02:32 .


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I hate him because he was willing to sacrifice innocent lives to kill vido.