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[Tensdale]

 I'm doing some role-play in another game where I am role-playing an Artificial Intelligence.

If we have some geeks in here I need some representation of how such a Geth programming language would look like. Not actual "real" programming language.... Just for fun

Just how your interpretation of such a language between 1,183 active AI programs would look like.
It needs to be understandable to people like me.. Who isn't all the techy... Remember I need it for role-play purposes. For fun.

I was thinking about making some modifications to a HTML code, so it looks like Geth are gaining consensus.. Talking to eachother... And then post it in my character biography.


But I don't really know how....

[Domcor]

well, unless it were an interpreted language, the code executed at runtime wouldn't be recognisable... it'd just be binary (or whatever Quarians use instead).

Could use Prolog (wikipedia should have some examples) as a good (read: fairly easy to understand) representation of an AI's knowledge representation and logical processing systems.

Modifié par Domcor, 26 février 2010 - 04:44 .

[kallikles]

Artificial neural networks: http://en.wikipedia...._neural_network

Each Geth program would be an artificial neural network, and the different networks together form a meta-network.

To humans, the networks would appear to be nonsensical black boxes, since they are arranged in the most efficient way rather than the most understandable (for humans) way. Also, they'd have the ability to evolve and adapt.

[Tensdale]

You're getting waaaay into it. It doesn't really matter if it doesn't fit up to any "truth" standard about AI intelligence.



I Just need a graphical representation of how it would look like. In text.

[Recnamoken]

Executing sudo command.



Windows are structural weaknesses. Geth do not use them.

[kallikles]

Tensdale wrote...

You're getting waaaay into it. It doesn't really matter if it doesn't fit up to any "truth" standard about AI intelligence.

I Just need a graphical representation of how it would look like. In text.

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[Domcor]

Well, if you don't want something realistic, then some sort of abstract object oriented approach could work.

eg.

Consensus* consensus = new Consensus("Some sort of problem");
consensus->Evaluate();
consensus->Query();
return consensus->Output()

Short of some sort of binary representation (or really complex AI algorithms) youre not really gonna find particularly good representations.

ps. From an RP standpoint; whilst most appropriate, I find binary in AI players' bios to be really tacky.

Modifié par Domcor, 26 février 2010 - 05:08 .

[Tensdale]

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Modifié par Tensdale, 26 février 2010 - 05:08 .

[rabbitchannel]

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Modifié par rabbitchannel, 26 février 2010 - 05:14 .

[Chvo]

If you want to RP the conversations between the programs, something encoded in xml will be RP-friendly enough. Well, they won't need to use a text-representation of binary data but ASN.1 won't be easy to put into an RP session

The question is, do you really need imaginary lines of code that represent the AI programs or do you actually want to script a conversation between them?

[Tensdale]

Imaginary lines of code that represent the AI programs would be sufficient.. It's just a game afterall

[Tensdale]

Domcor wrote...

Well, if you don't want something realistic, then some sort of abstract object oriented approach could work.

eg.

Consensus* consensus = new Consensus("Some sort of problem");
consensus->Evaluate();
consensus->Query();
return consensus->Output()

Short of some sort of binary representation (or really complex AI algorithms) youre not really gonna find particularly good representations.

ps. From an RP standpoint; whilst most appropriate, I find binary in AI players' bios to be really tacky.

I like this. But I would need ALOT more about this to actually twist it together with a certain situation. And I have no idea what code you got the idea from? html?

[Domcor]

thats coming from c++...



basically creates a "Consensus" object and tells it what the problem is.

calls the Evaluate method (which i imagine probably asks each individual geth to determine what the solution to the problem is).

calls the Query method (which compiles the individual solutions into a single solution).

returns the solution.



It probably has no real relation to what would actually happen in an AI system (I've only done Intro to AI on my compsci course and am gonna start actually programming for it next year), but seems abstract enough that it would work for RP purposes.

[Tensdale]

With the example you've created here, how would it look like if Legion should decide to go to pint A or to point B, where the majority of the 1,183 active programs have decidedd that point B is the best path?

[Domcor]

Well, assuming that the Geth have some sort of natural language preprocessor built in, it could be something like this:



INPUT:: "Tensdale, where should we go? Point A or Point B?"



Consensus* consensus = new Consensus("Optimise <Point A> <Point B>");

consensus->Evaluate();

consensus->Query();

return consensus->Output()



OUTPUT:: "Optimal <Point B>"

[Tensdale]

Seems a little hard to understand for people who don't understand c++..



As said before I just need imaginary lines of code that represent the AI programs.. But it should "look" like computer codes.. Remember this is just for a game. For fun.. The code doesn't have to technically mean something. But look like it does, and it should also be understandable to everyone what exactly it means

[Kangasniemi]

Tensdale wrote...

Seems a little hard to understand for people who don't understand c++..

As said before I just need imaginary lines of code that represent the AI programs.. But it should "look" like computer codes.. Remember this is just for a game. For fun.. The code doesn't have to technically mean something. But look like it does, and it should also be understandable to everyone what exactly it means

So you are asking for a code that has almost 2000 processes, it should look like real code, but not be real code and be understandable to people who don't know jack about programming.

Do you see the problem here?

Just wing it. A geth code would not look like anything programmed now or programmed by humans. Just write text that looks like computer code to you, that's the only way you would understand it. None of the current programming languages are easy to read for someone who has no idea how they work.

So just write some crap with some ( ) and [ ] and { } and end line you write with ; and your "code" will look enough like real code. And most of all you can tell you friends what it's supposed to do.

[Domcor]

Kangasniemi is right, and to reiterate what I said in my original reply, what anybody outside of the system (meta-network/Mobile Platform/Ship) would see would not actually be program listings anyway. You're better off just abstracting your behaviour from Legion's (Legion actually doing a reasonably good job of acting like an AI as traditional defined by Sci-Fi writers). Just give a load of simple statements about what you are currently doing eg.



Evaluating Data...

Querying Geth Nodes...

Building Consensus...

Consensus Reached...

Compiling Solution...

Solution: Point B is optimal

[cancausecancer]

Here is some geth code:



6_|-/\\-/.U|(X)UU|.??(X)u-|-uu|.-|-(X)(X)>|.-|-/>|_|-./\\-//nu+

U|<#>(|)./.nu-|-_|-_|-4.??//\\-/.(|Y|)<#><|<>-|-_|-nu+



Data packets are sent to communicate with the neural network, they have source/destination identifiers, instructions about the packet's contents, error control info (checksums) and then the bulk data that gets processed on the receiving end. An example is if you are updating the neural network with a piece of info that says to avoid certain planets, you send it out to all destinations (all geth) and they all use the data, but if one geth is in a particular place and data is only relevant to him then you have it flag only him as the destination and the rest of the geth ignore the packet.



I know this. My sister was a geth.

[Revenant_Mortalus]

Tensdale wrote...

With the example you've created here, how would it look like if Legion should decide to go to pint A or to point B, where the majority of the 1,183 active programs have decidedd that point B is the best path?

Easy, in that case Legion would straight away go for point B.  As a synthetic he is unable to get drunk and has no use for pint A.  Sorry, couldn't resist...

[Tensdale]

hahaha... Good one Revenant. That made me laugh.



Also you're probably right guys. I'm probably trying to do this too simplified.. I'll see if I figure out a solution. Thanks for all the input. It's gonna be usefull.

[Sephyx]

If you're going to rp do it properly. I don't RP anymore but I would always try to flesh out the characteristics of my character as much as possible. IF you dumb it down too much there is no point in playing the character.

[FoxGhost]

Recnamoken wrote...

Executing sudo command.

Windows are structural weaknesses. Geth do not use them.

hehe that includes windows vista and 7

[Kybernetos]

You're going for something easy to understand but still looks "real". I'd suggest you use what my high school students first are presented with when learning programming. Structured english: http://en.wikipedia....uctured_English

The example in the article should be easy to understand, even with no experience in programming.



I wouldn't use html or xml, those are mainly used for displaying information, while scripting/programming is used when the computers "think".

[Staylost]

I would presume this AI you are RPing wishes its biography to be understood by none artifact life forms.



If this is so, odd syntax and a hurry-up style a-la Mordin would be most appropriate.



Perhaps something like this for exploring a life bearing world with only plant analogs.



"<mountain green> <rain heavy> <null life animal> <life phytophillic> <unusual significant>"