I couldn't possibly be a bard.EccentricSage wrote...
krylo wrote...
Well I'm not an assassin.
...That you know of.
What a very bard-like thing to say...
I'm on to you.
Modifié par krylo, 01 mars 2010 - 01:49 .
Well, yes, since that's basically what the entire thread is about. And yes, I do know about Zevran's past, but I fail to see how knowing it somehow makes his willingness to accept sex offered by a victim something that can be brushed aside with a simple "oh, that's just Antiva" or "oh, those women knew what they were doing."EccentricSage wrote...
Monica21 wrote...
Yes, it's entirely different. Let's see, out a bit of cash or dead? Yeah, different.Nonvita wrote...
Now I understand you'll say it's different because there was no knife to their throats. But I honestly think it's the same situation. The girls could simply pay the $1000 or they could try and get
You're still hung up on the subject of power and duress. Zevran is a slave who's been raped, manipulated, and abused his whole life. His life is constantly on the line. You can call it a gray area if you want, but I don't see him as any more guilty than his marks.
Have you heard Leliana in battle? It's really just yelling.krylo wrote...
I couldn't possibly be a bard.EccentricSage wrote...
krylo wrote...
Well I'm not an assassin.
...That you know of.
What a very bard-like thing to say...
I'm on to you.
I'm an absolutely TERRIBLE singer, you see.
Monica21 wrote...
Have you heard Leliana in battle? It's really just yelling.krylo wrote...
I couldn't possibly be a bard.EccentricSage wrote...
krylo wrote...
Well I'm not an assassin.
...That you know of.
What a very bard-like thing to say...
I'm on to you.
I'm an absolutely TERRIBLE singer, you see.
Monica21 wrote...
Well, yes, since that's basically what the entire thread is about. And yes, I do know about Zevran's past, but I fail to see how knowing it somehow makes his willingness to accept sex offered by a victim something that can be brushed aside with a simple "oh, that's just Antiva" or "oh, those women knew what they were doing."EccentricSage wrote...
Monica21 wrote...
Yes, it's entirely different. Let's see, out a bit of cash or dead? Yeah, different.Nonvita wrote...
Now I understand you'll say it's different because there was no knife to their throats. But I honestly think it's the same situation. The girls could simply pay the $1000 or they could try and get
You're still hung up on the subject of power and duress. Zevran is a slave who's been raped, manipulated, and abused his whole life. His life is constantly on the line. You can call it a gray area if you want, but I don't see him as any more guilty than his marks.
krylo wrote...
I couldn't possibly be a bard.EccentricSage wrote...
krylo wrote...
Well I'm not an assassin.
...That you know of.
What a very bard-like thing to say...
I'm on to you.
I'm an absolutely TERRIBLE singer, you see.
I don't dance that well either, nor do I have a pretty dress on hand.EccentricSage wrote...
krylo wrote...
I couldn't possibly be a bard.EccentricSage wrote...
krylo wrote...
Well I'm not an assassin.
...That you know of.
What a very bard-like thing to say...
I'm on to you.
I'm an absolutely TERRIBLE singer, you see.
I was going to sujest you dance the Remigold
Oh, really? So, if I totally hot guy broke into your house and held a gun to your head, the only thing you'd be thinking is "holy ****, I really want to have sex with him before he kills me." I don't buy it. They may have had some pleasure from the act, but there's still the thought of escaping THE ASSASSIN in the back of their minds.EccentricSage wrote...
Well, I've said it before and I'll say it again... if I were his victim, I'd 'hit it'. What better way to go? So I find the idea that his victims in those stories enjoyed it to some degree and understood what they were doing to be pretty believable.
And besides, in a way, he's also the victim. He's a pawn in the game these people are playing, and not by choice. If he enjoyed the sex as well, or felt like it was an act of kindness or part of playing the game to it's fullest for them, I won't begrudge him that. Because yes... that IS Antivan culture, isn't it?
Welp, time to grab my drakeskin condoms and head to Antiva.Monica21 wrote...
No, he's not a victim, at least not to his marks. He's the killer. And I'm really getting tired of the "it's Antiva" fail of an argument. Unless one of the writers tells me that Antiva is basically one giant orgy with a few assassins thrown in for flavor, it's not a full picture of society.
Hah! I knew you weren't a transgendered platypus.krylo wrote...
Welp, time to grab my drakeskin condoms and head to Antiva.Monica21 wrote...
No, he's not a victim, at least not to his marks. He's the killer. And I'm really getting tired of the "it's Antiva" fail of an argument. Unless one of the writers tells me that Antiva is basically one giant orgy with a few assassins thrown in for flavor, it's not a full picture of society.
Monica21 wrote...
Oh, really? So, if I totally hot guy broke into your house and held a gun to your head, the only thing you'd be thinking is "holy ****, I really want to have sex with him before he kills me." I don't buy it. They may have had some pleasure from the act, but there's still the thought of escaping THE ASSASSIN in the back of their minds.EccentricSage wrote...
Well, I've said it before and I'll say it again... if I were his victim, I'd 'hit it'. What better way to go? So I find the idea that his victims in those stories enjoyed it to some degree and understood what they were doing to be pretty believable.
And besides, in a way, he's also the victim. He's a pawn in the game these people are playing, and not by choice. If he enjoyed the sex as well, or felt like it was an act of kindness or part of playing the game to it's fullest for them, I won't begrudge him that. Because yes... that IS Antivan culture, isn't it?
No, he's not a victim, at least not to his marks. He's the killer. And I'm really getting tired of the "it's Antiva" fail of an argument. Unless one of the writers tells me that Antiva is basically one giant orgy with a few assassins thrown in for flavor, it's not a full picture of society.
krylo wrote...
Welp, time to grab my drakeskin condoms and head to Antiva.Monica21 wrote...
No, he's not a victim, at least not to his marks. He's the killer. And I'm really getting tired of the "it's Antiva" fail of an argument. Unless one of the writers tells me that Antiva is basically one giant orgy with a few assassins thrown in for flavor, it's not a full picture of society.
You caught me.Monica21 wrote...
Hah! I knew you weren't a transgendered platypus.krylo wrote...
Welp, time to grab my drakeskin condoms and head to Antiva.Monica21 wrote...
No, he's not a victim, at least not to his marks. He's the killer. And I'm really getting tired of the "it's Antiva" fail of an argument. Unless one of the writers tells me that Antiva is basically one giant orgy with a few assassins thrown in for flavor, it's not a full picture of society.
Yes, I'm putting into a modern context, but only to show how ridiculous the argument is that somehow a last request would be for sex. No, a last request is getting out alive. I might not be surprised to find a Crow in my window either, but my first thought wouldn't be about sex, no matter how innocent I was. It would be getting away, which is something you continue to fail to understand. If sex is "the only weapon she has" then she's only using it to try and gain freedom.EccentricSage wrote...
*head desk* You're takeing it out of context. If I were an Antevan, playing the game like the others. Circumstances and culture make a big diference in how people react to situations. If I were an Antevan pissing off and backstaing others in my climb to power, I wouldn't be surprised to find a Crow in my window. These women weren't inocents. That is FACT.
I'm amused at how worked up you're getting. I'm not going to change my mind. This argument isn't going anywhere, and you are free to feal as offended as you want about fantasy characters in a fantasy culture doing horrible horrible fantasy things. This is getting too silly and the fun of it is wearing off.
Monica21 wrote...
Yes, I'm putting into a modern context, but only to show how ridiculous the argument is that somehow a last request would be for sex. No, a last request is getting out alive. I might not be surprised to find a Crow in my window either, but my first thought wouldn't be about sex, no matter how innocent I was. It would be getting away, which is something you continue to fail to understand. If sex is "the only weapon she has" then she's only using it to try and gain freedom.EccentricSage wrote...
*head desk* You're takeing it out of context. If I were an Antevan, playing the game like the others. Circumstances and culture make a big diference in how people react to situations. If I were an Antevan pissing off and backstaing others in my climb to power, I wouldn't be surprised to find a Crow in my window. These women weren't inocents. That is FACT.
I'm amused at how worked up you're getting. I'm not going to change my mind. This argument isn't going anywhere, and you are free to feal as offended as you want about fantasy characters in a fantasy culture doing horrible horrible fantasy things. This is getting too silly and the fun of it is wearing off.
If you see this as "getting worked up" simply because I continue to disagree with the idea that a woman can be manipulative and still, after being cornered, think that sex is her only out and still see that as "consent under duress" then you'll have to continue to be amused.
krylo wrote...
You caught me.Monica21 wrote...
Hah! I knew you weren't a transgendered platypus.krylo wrote...
Welp, time to grab my drakeskin condoms and head to Antiva.Monica21 wrote...
No, he's not a victim, at least not to his marks. He's the killer. And I'm really getting tired of the "it's Antiva" fail of an argument. Unless one of the writers tells me that Antiva is basically one giant orgy with a few assassins thrown in for flavor, it's not a full picture of society.
BC pills make me gain weight, so I make the boys sheathe their toys.
*does not know what BC pills are*
Birth Control.Monica21 wrote...
krylo wrote...
You caught me.Monica21 wrote...
Hah! I knew you weren't a transgendered platypus.krylo wrote...
Welp, time to grab my drakeskin condoms and head to Antiva.Monica21 wrote...
No, he's not a victim, at least not to his marks. He's the killer. And I'm really getting tired of the "it's Antiva" fail of an argument. Unless one of the writers tells me that Antiva is basically one giant orgy with a few assassins thrown in for flavor, it's not a full picture of society.
BC pills make me gain weight, so I make the boys sheathe their toys.
krylo wrote...
Birth Control.Monica21 wrote...
I am indeed a female. Considering the other thread, this is... awkward.... *ahem*Nonvita wrote...
krylo wrote...
Birth Control.Monica21 wrote...
(I didn't understand either, and I'm a girl too...)
*sincerely hopes Monica is, indeed, a female...*
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