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[Collider]

newcomplex wrote...
"http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheist"

No, sorry, a Atheist cannot be a Buddhist.   

No, an atheist can be a buddhist by the fact that buddhism does not require belief in any supreme beings. The Buddha is not necessarily a supreme being.

[Roxlimn]

Ryzaki:



The definitions are all bull anyway. They're very Western-centric. For instance, the more fundamentalist Buddhists only believe in Nirvana, reincarnation, and the faith that Buddha laid down a path to Nirvana before them. They don't think of Buddha as a god, but simply the first person who found the way to enlightenment. By your given definition of Atheists, that would make them so.



Bear in mind, I am NOT making up any definitions. I'm simply using the ones YOU are providing.

[Ryzaki]

This thread:

[addiction21]

I do not need faith to belive in the waffle jesus.


I gots the proof right there.

[PyroFreak301]

Roxlimn wrote...

PyroFreak301:

It's a semantic thing. Ryzaki's definition defines "agnosticism" as positing that the existence of God is unprovable. Christians as a whole don't all believe that God's existence is provable beyond reasonable doubt - some of us think that it's possible to believe in something without solid proof either way. In fact, "believing without seeing," is the topic of the so-called "Doubting Thomas" portion of the New Testament.

The central difference between such Christians and self-labeled Agnostics is that Agnostics choose not to believe anything they can't really prove, or so they would like us to believe. In reality, I haven't met a single Agnostic that was truly that empirical. At the very least, they were just as prone as anyone else to believing popular medical or urban myths.

I find it makes more sense to think of the difference between theism and atheism as a linear scale. You have unwavering stubborn belief at both sides of the scale, but in real life most people sit nearer one side rather than at the very ends or in the very middle (A diagram would really make up for my lack of eloquence here). Where you draw the line at what seperates theism from agnosticism from atheism is really a semantic matter that is left to the individual to decide.

On such as scale of theism (1) to atheism (10), I'd probably give myself a 9, which I personally would class as atheism.

[Collider]

addiction21 wrote...

I do not need faith to belive in the waffle jesus.


I gots the proof right there.

[Bryy_Miller]

Ryzaki wrote...

This thread:

You know what that picture needs? Someone jerking. Something.

[Ryzaki]

Roxlimn wrote...

Ryzaki:

The definitions are all bull anyway. They're very Western-centric. For instance, the more fundamentalist Buddhists only believe in Nirvana, reincarnation, and the faith that Buddha laid down a path to Nirvana before them. They don't think of Buddha as a god, but simply the first person who found the way to enlightenment. By your given definition of Atheists, that would make them so.

Bear in mind, I am NOT making up any definitions. I'm simply using the ones YOU are providing.

Then they don't believe in god. I'd say there were atheists and just choose not to label themselves as such. There's nothing inherantly wrong with that.

You are aware that being atheist =/= not believing in anything spiritual

Right? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 mars 2010 - 02:37 .

[newcomplex]

Collider wrote...

newcomplex wrote...
"http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheist"

No, sorry, a Atheist cannot be a Buddhist.   

No, an atheist can be a buddhist by the fact that buddhism does not require belief in any supreme beings. The Buddha is not necessarily a supreme being.

herp derp read below the first one liner bro

"An Agnostic refer to persons not inclined toward religious belief or a particular
form of religious belief. An atheist is one who
denies the existence of a deity or of divine beings. An agnostic
is one who believes it impossible to know anything about God or about
the creation of the universe and refrains from commitment to any
religious doctrine. Infidel means an unbeliever,
especially a nonbeliever in Islam or Christianity. A skeptic
doubts and is critical of all accepted doctrines and creeds."

Feel Free to find me a in depth definition of Atheist that allows Buddhists to be Athiests on a vagueyl reputable website.   




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Simply put, in order to be alive, you must value something.    Not nessicarily something spiritual, it could be sex or drugs or something.     In order to explicate this value, it cannot be done scientifically, logically, mathematically, or rationally.   If it could, we would have the meaning of life.    Until we do, every single person on the face of the planet believes in a supernatural element that science cannot explain, and is all important and universal.    A Religion.   That requires Faith.   

Modifié par newcomplex, 01 mars 2010 - 02:40 .

[EternalWolfe]

Atheism is a disbelief in the existence of a god or gods. It isn't a religion, it is a singular belief - just like theism. Theism is a belief in the existence of a god or gods. It is only part of religion, and not part of all religions.

[Ryzaki]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

This thread:

You know what that picture needs? Someone jerking. Something.

You bastard. My mind just went deep into the gutter.

[massive_effect]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

Out of interest, do you believe in the Genesis creation story or Evolution (God driven or otherwise)?

I believe that the Bible is the word of God. So, I do believe in the creation story.

Genesis is not a scientific document. I believe that it's ok ask scientific questions regarding the origin of man. But, I don't believe in Evolution. The main reason is that Evolution says that men are animals.

[Collider]

newcomplex wrote...

"refer to persons not inclined toward religious belief or a particular
form of religious belief. An atheist is one who
denies the existence of a deity or of divine beings. An agnostic
is one who believes it impossible to know anything about God or about
the creation of the universe and refrains from commitment to any
religious doctrine. Infidel means an unbeliever,
especially a nonbeliever in Islam or Christianity. A skeptic
doubts and is critical of all accepted doctrines and creeds."

from dictionary.com the very site you are using
inclined
1.deviating in direction from the horizontal or vertical; sloping. 2.disposed; of a mind (usually fol. by to): He was inclined to stay. 3.having a physical tendency; leaning. 4.tending in a direction that makes an angle with anything else.

Atheists tending not to be religious =/= atheists cannot be religious.

Buddha =/= supreme being.

[addiction21]

Isn’t it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?

-DA

[newcomplex]

Collider wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

"refer to persons not inclined toward religious belief or a particular
form of religious belief. An atheist is one who
denies the existence of a deity or of divine beings. An agnostic
is one who believes it impossible to know anything about God or about
the creation of the universe and refrains from commitment to any
religious doctrine. Infidel means an unbeliever,
especially a nonbeliever in Islam or Christianity. A skeptic
doubts and is critical of all accepted doctrines and creeds."

from dictionary.com the very site you are using
inclined
1.deviating in direction from the horizontal or vertical; sloping. 2.disposed; of a mind (usually fol. by to): He was inclined to stay. 3.having a physical tendency; leaning. 4.tending in a direction that makes an angle with anything else.

Atheists tending not to be religious =/= atheists cannot be religious.

Buddha =/= supreme being.

Sorry, I was unclear.  I copied wrong.

—Synonyms
Atheist,agnostic, infidel, skeptic [a group] refer to persons not inclined toward religious belief or a particular form of religious belief. An atheist is one who denies the existence of a deity or of divine beings. An agnostic is one who believes it impossible to know anything about God or about the creation of the universe and refrains from commitment to any religious doctrine. Infidel means an unbeliever, especially a nonbeliever in Islam or Christianity. A skeptic doubts and is critical of all accepted doctrines and creeds.


Atheists reject divinity or a divine being.   



And for emphasis.

Simply put, in order to be alive, you must value something.    Not nessicarily something spiritual, it could be sex or drugs or something.     In order to explicate an explanation for this value, it cannot be done scientifically, logically, mathematically, or rationally.   If it could,we would have the meaning of life.    Until we do, every single person on the face of the planet believes in a supernatural element that science cannot explain.   Not only that, but it must be universal.   A supernatural element that is unprovable and universal is a diety.    To believe in it requires Faith.  That process is forms a religion.   

Modifié par newcomplex, 01 mars 2010 - 02:46 .

[ImperialOperative]

newcomplex wrote...


Atheists reject divinity or a divine being.   

There are different types of atheism.

[PyroFreak301]

massive_effect wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

Out of interest, do you believe in the Genesis creation story or Evolution (God driven or otherwise)?

I believe that the Bible is the word of God. So, I do believe in the creation story.

Genesis is not a scientific document. I believe that it's ok ask scientific questions regarding the origin of man. But, I don't believe in Evolution. The main reason is that Evolution says that men are animals.

Go search YouTube for some video's of some Chimpanzees, then come back and tell me that you see no similarities.

There was a video I cant find now of a primate (can't remember the species) teaching it's child how to use sticks as a tool to farm for ants. That's impressive enough in itself... but the mother actually takes a stick from the child which is unsuitable for getting ants and actually hands him one better suited for the task. I know it doesn't sound like much, but the cognitive function that basically says "That stick is too think, here, use this one instead" is unbelievable when you think about it.

[massive_effect]

addiction21 wrote...

Isn’t it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?
-DA

Yeah, but...you will eventually die. What then?

[Roxlimn]

Ryzaki:



Yes, I am. However, at that point, I have to question the sense of labeling fundamentalist Buddhists as atheists. What use does it serve? Some Buddhists DO see Buddha as a sort of god, so they would be theists, and Shinto Buddhism kind of straddles the difference, labeling the world as a mix of spirits in various guises, with various hierarchy positions.



Then you have to consider the spiritual aspects of Confucianism, which is, at heart, a social and political system, not so much religious. Married to longstanding pagan Chinese myths, it paints the heavens as a political bureaucracy, of which the Emperor is a member and a direct conduit.



Is that theistic? What use does it serve us to label one yes and the other no?

[vhatever]

Ryzaki wrote...

Roxlimn wrote...

Ryzaki:

The definitions are all bull anyway. They're very Western-centric. For instance, the more fundamentalist Buddhists only believe in Nirvana, reincarnation, and the faith that Buddha laid down a path to Nirvana before them. They don't think of Buddha as a god, but simply the first person who found the way to enlightenment. By your given definition of Atheists, that would make them so.

Bear in mind, I am NOT making up any definitions. I'm simply using the ones YOU are providing.

Then they don't believe in god. I'd say there were atheists and just choose not to label themselves as such. There's nothing inherantly wrong with that.

You are aware that being atheist =/= not believing in anything spiritual

Right? 

Spiritual realm is inherently super natural. Like usual, you show you don't know wtf you are talking about and you should go back to the gaystapo to mew about something equally vapid and idiotic.

No, buddhists can't be atheist. They believe, depending on denomination, at a minimum,  asupernatural spirit world, and at a maximum, Buddah is regarded as supernatural God.

[addiction21]

ImperialOperative wrote...

newcomplex wrote...


Atheists reject divinity or a divine being.   

There are different types of atheism.

There are different types of waffles too but I doubt anyone will be changing anyone else's mind anytime soon.

[newcomplex]

ImperialOperative wrote...

newcomplex wrote...


Atheists reject divinity or a divine being.   

There are different types of atheism.

Please, find me a reputable website that defines Atheism in a way that allows dieties that are just below all powerful.    This would include Zeus by the way.    

[newcomplex]

addiction21 wrote...

ImperialOperative wrote...

newcomplex wrote...


Atheists reject divinity or a divine being.   

There are different types of atheism.

There are different types of waffles too but I doubt anyone will be changing anyone else's mind anytime soon.

FUCK YUS SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS



YUS YUS YUS

[ImperialOperative]

newcomplex wrote...

ImperialOperative wrote...

newcomplex wrote...


Atheists reject divinity or a divine being.   

There are different types of atheism.

Please, find me a reputable website that defines Atheism in a way that allows dieties that are just below all powerful.    This would include Zeus by the way.    

The prefix a- implies "without," so you aren't going to find any sources that say that.

However, there are various magnitudes of atheism that can range even into the spiritual.