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[Collider]

Atheist = A person who doesn't believe in God. May also believe that God does not exist.

Agnostic = A person who believes that at least at the current moment, it is impossible to know and/or prove the existence of God.



Agnostic Atheist = A person who doesn't believe in God and believes that God cannot be known or proven at least currently.

Agnostic Theist = A person who believes in God, but believes that God cannot be known or proven at least currently.



There you go.

[newcomplex]

You know, none of you have addressed my hypothetical, instead flaming vhatever.

If you believe in nothing, what is your motivation to live.

Your going to say something.   It doesn't matter what.    Now, ask yourself, what is the universal basis for that answer?   It exists solely within our heads, as the emprical structure of the universe and of science cannot answer the question of meaning.     So if it has no basis, it is a belief.    Your purpose for being alive is a belief.


Belief in something you made up?   Sounds like a religion to me.

Modifié par newcomplex, 01 mars 2010 - 02:20 .

[Ryzaki]

Forget it.

...

Good bloody grief. *sighs* I hate religious debates because everybody and their mother has twisted the words to mean something else.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 mars 2010 - 02:22 .

[vhatever]

No amount of mewing and semantics will change the fact atheism is a faith based belief system. The end.

[Bryy_Miller]

newcomplex wrote...

You know, none of you have addressed my hypothetical, instead flaming vhatever.

If you believe in nothing, what is your motivation to live.

Your going to say something.   It doesn't matter what.    Now, ask yourself, what is the universal basis for that answer?   It exists solely within our heads, as the emprical structure of the universe and of science cannot answer the question of meaning.     So if it has no basis, it is a belief.    Your purpose for being alive is a belief.


Belief in something you made up?   Sounds like a religion to me.

There is a definite line between the definition of religious belief and simply believing in something. 

[Ryzaki]

vhatever wrote...

No amount of mewing and semantics will change the fact atheism is a faith based belief system. The end.

So I assume you have faith that unicorns don't exist then by your brilliant logic? 

[PyroFreak301]

vhatever wrote...

No amount of mewing and semantics will change the fact atheism is a faith based belief system. The end.

No amount of dogged repetition will make your opinion hold more weight.

[Cris Shepard]

what about simply not believing in anything but your own theories? What would that be called?

[Inquisitor Recon]

vhatever wrote...

No amount of mewing and semantics will change the fact atheism is a faith based belief system. The end.

True. Now somebody please put a bullet in this topic. I thought a moderator said he was going to shut this crap down. We don't need more atheist trying to defend their obsession.

[Ryzaki]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

vhatever wrote...

No amount of mewing and semantics will change the fact atheism is a faith based belief system. The end.

No amount of dogged repetition will make your opinion hold more weight.

LOL Pryo I lol'd.

Oh...
QFT

[Inquisitor Recon]

Double-tap. Please delete.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 01 mars 2010 - 02:24 .

[newcomplex]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

You know, none of you have addressed my hypothetical, instead flaming vhatever.

If you believe in nothing, what is your motivation to live.

Your going to say something.   It doesn't matter what.    Now, ask yourself, what is the universal basis for that answer?   It exists solely within our heads, as the emprical structure of the universe and of science cannot answer the question of meaning.     So if it has no basis, it is a belief.    Your purpose for being alive is a belief.


Belief in something you made up?   Sounds like a religion to me.

There is a definite line between the definition of religious belief and simply believing in something. 

Alright, would you agree that believing in ghosts and Afterlife would make me Theistic/Agnostic.    Does anyone like to challenge a guy who believes in ghosts, afterlife, or reincarnation, or host of other supernatural bs could not still be a Atheist.

No?   

Ok, what is the source of your belief?   Explain it to me.    In the end, your going to have to resort to a supernatural explanation, similar to a pagans preaching of ghosts and spirits.    

Modifié par newcomplex, 01 mars 2010 - 02:26 .

[PyroFreak301]

Cris Shepard wrote...

what about simply not believing in anything but your own theories? What would that be called?

Dreaming?

[Bryy_Miller]

Recon,

That was a very sly way of saying "we won! lol! now let's lock it so nobody can say anything else!".

[Roxlimn]

PyroFreak301:



It's a semantic thing. Ryzaki's definition defines "agnosticism" as positing that the existence of God is unprovable. Christians as a whole don't all believe that God's existence is provable beyond reasonable doubt - some of us think that it's possible to believe in something without solid proof either way. In fact, "believing without seeing," is the topic of the so-called "Doubting Thomas" portion of the New Testament.



The central difference between such Christians and self-labeled Agnostics is that Agnostics choose not to believe anything they can't really prove, or so they would like us to believe. In reality, I haven't met a single Agnostic that was truly that empirical. At the very least, they were just as prone as anyone else to believing popular medical or urban myths.

[Ryzaki]

....if Not (oops forgot one word) believing in spirits and the after life made you atheist there wouldn't be spiritual atheists. *

The only thing atheists have in common is that they don't believe in any god. Or at least that was the definition the last time I checked.

Otherwise anything can go. Kind of like Christians that only follow a small part of the bible.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 mars 2010 - 02:32 .

[Cris Shepard]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

Cris Shepard wrote...

what about simply not believing in anything but your own theories? What would that be called?

Dreaming?

Well, I live in a dream world then, since I have no reason to believe what anyone tells me..

[newcomplex]

Cris Shepard wrote...

what about simply not believing in anything but your own theories? What would that be called?

Being Human.   

[Bryy_Miller]

newcomplex wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

You know, none of you have addressed my hypothetical, instead flaming vhatever.

If you believe in nothing, what is your motivation to live.

Your going to say something.   It doesn't matter what.    Now, ask yourself, what is the universal basis for that answer?   It exists solely within our heads, as the emprical structure of the universe and of science cannot answer the question of meaning.     So if it has no basis, it is a belief.    Your purpose for being alive is a belief.


Belief in something you made up?   Sounds like a religion to me.

There is a definite line between the definition of religious belief and simply believing in something. 

Alright, would you agree that believing in ghosts and Afterlife would make me Theistic/Agnostic.    Does anyone like to challenge a guy who believes in ghosts, afterlife, or reincarnation, or host of other supernatural bs could not still be a Atheist.

No?   

Ok, what is the source of your belief?   Explain it to me.    In the end, your going to have to resort to a supernatural explanation, similar to a pagans preaching of ghosts and spirits.    

You asked me what my motivation to live was. Well, my motivations in life and my motivations to LIVE are entirely different. My motivations in life? Me, personally: I am a writer. That is what I do. I like to use words to create something that just simply was not there before. I like to entertain others as well as myself. What is my motivation to live? I rather like being alive. I figure death would be a downer.

[Habelo]

I am all knowing, and i say that christmas was a pagan tradition before it was christian. Traditions will allways be there, religion will probaly die.

I will not explain.

Modifié par Habelo, 01 mars 2010 - 02:30 .

[addiction21]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

vhatever wrote...

No amount of mewing and semantics will change the fact atheism is a faith based belief system. The end.

No amount of dogged repetition will make your opinion hold more weight.

You did not know? Vhatever is omnipotent. His word is law. He knows everything there is to know about everything that was, is, or will be. Always right and never wrong.

On a side note for some odd reason I clicked to go to page 9 and I ended up in a thread 3 months old staring and laughing at something I said a long time ago that has nothing at all to do with this thread.

"It seems that there is no need to buy anything since the greatest value you can get for your entertainment buck is by playing with yourself..."

[Collider]

Atheism does not require an ounce of faith. Whatsoever. All that is required to be an atheist is to not believe in God, nothing else needs to factor.



Atheists don't believe in "nothing." That's ridiculous to say. I believe in plenty of things, just not a God.



Atheists can also be religious - and before any silly person says it - no atheism is not in any way a religion, unless you liken the lack of belief in something to the same level as the rituals in most religions, in which case I would call you silly and ask you if you think collecting stamps is a religion.



For example, an atheist can be a buddhist. An atheist can be spiritual. But they do not need faith, just as the religious and theists don't need faith. End of story.

[newcomplex]

Collider wrote...

Atheism does not require an ounce of faith. Whatsoever. All that is required to be an atheist is to not believe in God, nothing else needs to factor.

Atheists don't believe in "nothing." That's ridiculous to say. I believe in plenty of things, just not a God.

Atheists can also be religious - and before any silly person says it - no atheism is not in any way a religion, unless you liken the lack of belief in something to the same level as the rituals in most religions, in which case I would call you silly and ask you if you think collecting stamps is a religion.

For example, an atheist can be a buddhist. An atheist can be spiritual. But they do not need faith, just as the religious and theists don't need faith. End of story.

"http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheist"

No, sorry, a Atheist cannot be a Buddhist.   

[Bryy_Miller]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

vhatever wrote...

No amount of mewing and semantics will change the fact atheism is a faith based belief system. The end.

No amount of dogged repetition will make your opinion hold more weight.

Oh, I like the hell out of this post. It will only end in tears, but it is a nice and extremely intelligent response.

[newcomplex]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

You know, none of you have addressed my hypothetical, instead flaming vhatever.

If you believe in nothing, what is your motivation to live.

Your going to say something.   It doesn't matter what.    Now, ask yourself, what is the universal basis for that answer?   It exists solely within our heads, as the emprical structure of the universe and of science cannot answer the question of meaning.     So if it has no basis, it is a belief.    Your purpose for being alive is a belief.


Belief in something you made up?   Sounds like a religion to me.

There is a definite line between the definition of religious belief and simply believing in something. 

Alright, would you agree that believing in ghosts and Afterlife would make me Theistic/Agnostic.    Does anyone like to challenge a guy who believes in ghosts, afterlife, or reincarnation, or host of other supernatural bs could not still be a Atheist.

No?   

Ok, what is the source of your belief?   Explain it to me.    In the end, your going to have to resort to a supernatural explanation, similar to a pagans preaching of ghosts and spirits.    

You asked me what my motivation to live was. Well, my motivations in life and my motivations to LIVE are entirely different. My motivations in life? Me, personally: I am a writer. That is what I do. I like to use words to create something that just simply was not there before. I like to entertain others as well as myself. What is my motivation to live? I rather like being alive. I figure death would be a downer.

Well, I live by similar princepals.    Now, explain to me how your cognition of life is relavent to anything.    Explain to me why you must please your primitive mathematical formulas encoded into your DNA, engrained into your mind.    You will fall short of an answer without relying on irrationality.    Without relying on faith.