Sabriana wrote...
Strangely enough, Leliana fell in love with my PC repeatedly without her even trying. As a matter of fact, my PC was very startled to find out that she somehow was in a relationship with Leliana, even though she told the bard that they were friends only.
Zevran backed off as soon as he was told "No". No hedging or anything. All he needs is to be told that there was no chance whatsoever, and the romance turns off for good. Hedging, or beating around the bush will not turn it off, but a definite "No" will.
That he is a rapist is an opinion. The opinion of one person only, and she certainly has a right to that opinion, just as you have the right to fall in line with it. My opinion, and that of others differs.
Leliana sits at camp in my games. They are my games, and no one has the right to interfere with my RPing. I find her very creepy, dishonest, and if you 'harden' her, the whole "Maker loves me" aspect takes a big, big beating.
The fact is that out of most characters, Leliana had a choice. She grew up in a rich household. She learned a trade (singing and dancing). She chose to follow Majorlaine because she loved her (her own words, btw).
Zevran had no choice
Morrigan had no choice
Sten had no choice, his society forbids choices outright
Oghren had no choice, he was abandoned by his wife, and still he tries to find her
Shale had no choice as long as the control rod was functioning.
Alistair had no choice, he was dumped on Eamon and then later on into the Chantry
Wynne had no choice, the tower was it, as soon as her magic showed itself
Alright. First i'd like to apologize. I broke my own rule about getting worked up on forums, and I'm sorry. I had a mid-term today that didn't go so hot, and it made the whole day ****y.
You are the only person I have ever talked to on a forum that has remained more civil than I, and this is the most belligerent I have ever been, which only adds to your credit.
Once again, I am impressed.
Now, I still disagree. That Zevran is a rapist is an opinion of more than just one person for sure,(at least two, counting me and OP of other thread).
In my Game, Zevran gets to chill by the fire for eternity, much like your Leliana. I don't trust him any further than I could throw Shale.
Your blanket statement that no one but Leliana had a choice is pretty inaccurate. Everyone has some kind of choice.
Most of the Characters had a a choice.
Zevran admittedly had little choice in his lot in life, but that still does not make me like or trust him. Would you trust a man that was raised to kill babies and rape women to make more babies to kill, even if he had no choice? I realize that this is a hyperboly of epic proportions, but the fact reamains that an excuse for being a terrible person doesn't erase that fact that you are a terrible person.
I agree that Leliana appeared to have some choice in her life, but there is a large chunk of it that is never covered, especially the time between happy rich chick and Bard. I was thoroughly appalled when she told me she used to make a living with faking love and romance, because I was in a romance with her. By your own logic that Oghren had no choice but to search for the one
he loved, an arguement could be made that Leliana had no choice but to please the one
she loved. I don't really support either arguement, but it is a somewhat valid leap.
Morrigan had one of the biggest choices in the game when she made the choice to
abandon you, even if she supposedly loved you. She could have performed the ritual, saved you, but said to hell with Flemeth's plan, stayed with you and raised a family, but she
chose not to.
Sten was a dick, and I at first thought all quanari were like that, but when you meet some others in Sten's fade, thay are actually cool, regular guys, not dicks with swords. I know the fade thing was real, but sten talked to them like and commented that they were like his original party. He was not a dick because all Quanari are, He was a dick because he
chose to be one. This was what made me want to punch sten in the junk.
Shale was condesceding, but pretty cool. His lack of choice was most literal when he was under the control rod's influence
Allistair and Wynne both had choices to their personality. Just because you are forced to go somewhere doesn't mean you lose
all choice. Wynne was a lovely, kind hearted women, as opposed to most of the mages, who were either murderous or douchy becasue she
chose to be. Allistair was surprisingly unique out of the others who had undergone templar training, because he
chose not to blindly follow the "maker's will"
My point is that everyone had a choice, but I admit that Zevran's was arguably the most limited, (after shale's of course).
Now I realize that a lot of this post discusses other characters, but thay are all in direct response to points you made, so you can't really fault me for that.
By the way, my girlfriend had the same preoblem with Leleiana. She was unwittingly involved with her, and had to "make a choice" between her and allistair, but the same actually happened to me with morrigan, so it all could have been a game issue, not the characters personality.
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