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[GuardianAngel470]

Mondo_ wrote...

I spent ME2 BUILDING MY TEAM. Not going to go through another game of that.

This.  Spending 20+ hours building a team only to not have them with you in ME3 would completely invalidate the entire game of ME2.  It would mean that we could just skip me2 and go straight to me3.  I agree that Liara and wrex shouldn't return as squadmates only because they can do so much more good where they are at.  There was a discussion earlier about who would be the new TIM and I say it's Liara.  Now that's not to say that she shouldn't be a LI.  It would be completely unique to have a romantic relationship outside of your immediate surroundings.  

And Wrex needs to keep his krogan in line.  I can imagine him making frequent appearances on distant battlefields but to have him as a squadmate would ruin the whole krogan redemption storyline.

[WilliamShatner]

filistimo wrote...
Jacob fans

[BECC4]

Let me get this straight what your saying is that, a select number of fanbases, namely the ones you don't support should let our faves go because in your opinion they shouldn't be there, but because you can validate your faves with your flawed logic they should stay?

Erm ok then, how about no!

[epoch_]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Mondo_ wrote...

I spent ME2 BUILDING MY TEAM. Not going to go through another game of that.

This.  Spending 20+ hours building a team only to not have them with you in ME3 would completely invalidate the entire game of ME2.  It would mean that we could just skip me2 and go straight to me3.

QFT

[Jackal904]

No that is stupid... Why would we let them move on? Do people forget that Mass Effect is a video game? Some of the things people post are well... ****ing retarded.

[Doug84]

crimsonrhodelia wrote...

Doug84 wrote...
You tell 'im! Hi, I'm from the Ashley thread and have also taken a corner of the Kaidan thread because those ladies are awesome. And I have to say "Meh" to you filistimo.

Aww, <3 also for Doug!

Aww, danke crimson you classly gal you *hides all the incrimining evidence of non-classly-ness*.

LN19 wrote...

Mlow44 wrote...

LN19 wrote...
Speaking as a Kaidan fan, and a frequent to the Kaidan's threads...we actually understand why Kaidan didn't join you on Horizon, and why he has issues with you and Cerebus....and then he sends you email explaining this further, and how he isn't quite ready to let you go yet either...he's just got put things together now that Shep's alive and working for/with Cerebus.

So no "letting go" here

lmao sorry but for some reason your use of "we" just reminded me of Legion. I'm not sure why

lol, "we" as in the Kaidan fans

They ARE legion - but in the best way

Modifié par Doug84, 26 février 2010 - 09:34 .

[fortunesque]

filistimo wrote...

 I understand all the rallying and support on the boards for our favorite characters to be on the squad in ME3. I really do. But, if you really care about these characters, wouldn't you rather see them move on? Especially in the anticipation of what we must expect to be the final battle.


Kaiden/Ashley fans- They've drawn their line in the sand. However they might feel about you, they're Alliance soldiers. How do you expect them to react when an ex-Spectre, touched by the same artifacts as Saren, arrives out of the shadows with an army of Geth, Krogan, and Rachni at his(her) back? Do you require everyone you love to spit on their principles and other allegiances on your word? I don't call that love.

I don't see what them disliking Cerberus has to do with Shepard recruiting an army. If anything, Shepard will need Ash/Kaidan in order to have the Alliance in on the fight. It is completely unclear whether or not Shepard will still be working for Cerberus in ME3. As far as Krogan are concerned, Ash/Kaidan worked closely with a Krogan in ME1. The Krogan that Saren used were indoctrinated/controlled. The same goes with the geth and the rachni that Saren used; they were all either indoctrinated or altered. Shepard's direct interferance ensured that the geth and the rachni would be on the 'good guys' side.

Cerberus is different. They did evil things willfully. It wasn't the cause of a virus or change in programming; it wasn't because they were engineered by Saren or Benezia to become evil. That is the issue that separates Cerberus from the krogan, geth, and rachni. That is why Ash/Kaidan take issue with Cerberus and wouldn't take issue with Krogan, geth, or the rachni.

Also, it was made clear that they tried to move on, but Shepard's reappearance messed that up. Now that they know Shepard is back, I highly doubt that they'll be able to just accept that Shepard is back and move on again. Letting Ash and Kaidan go would be the exact opposite of kind or merciful.

[Alamar2078]

I tend to agree although I want to make sure I have missions where I can help put those people in other positions.



I'm a Tali fan but if it makes game sense that I ship her off to the Flotilla then so be it ... I'd happily keep Wrex right where he's at. Liara may be too good at info resources to pull away ... Garrus should really be a Spectre [fat chance in ME3] ... So I don't mind folks moving on as long as I get to make decisions and help them [via missions] move along.



If I do this though I want a very good epilogue so I see how the galaxy shapes up because of my actions.



For example I'd have loved to have helped Wrex solidify his position on Tuchanka [sp?] as opposed to it just getting dropped on me as "XYZ happened while you were sleeping".

[aznsoisauce]

filistimo wrote...
That's why I chose the phrase "get back on the horse." 

Also, I explicitly addressed Garrus fans, and the reason I gave for not including Garrus as a squadmate in ME3 is pro-Garrus. It's constructed as a reason for someone who likes and cares about Garrus /not/ to want them as a squadmate in ME3. That's the conversation that I'm trying to have here.To pick apart the argument from the other side doesn't address the issue I'm trying to talk about. I appreciate the fast response, but I would have preferred a more thoughtful one that addressed the issue raised in the original post. I apologize if I didn't express myself well enough in the original post for people to understand. I hope this response clears that up.

I see your reasoning but I think you should consider that many of the support threads exist because it would be out of character for characters like Garrus or Tali to leave Shepard's side before whatever events take place in ME3. All the squad mates, especially the ones from ME2, recognize the threat the Reapers pose and it just seems...weird for any of them to think that they have something better to do than to help Shepard stop the Reapers.

[Doug84]

aznsoisauce wrote...

I see your reasoning but I think you should consider that many of the support threads exist because it would be out of character for characters like Garrus or Tali to leave Shepard's side before whatever events take place in ME3. All the squad mates, especially the ones from ME2, recognize the threat the Reapers pose and it just seems...weird for any of them to think that they have something better to do than to help Shepard stop the Reapers.

Well, I can see Thane maybe leaving due to his disease and a desire to patch things up more with his son before he dies, and Mordin because he's old for a Salarian - probably in his final years.

But I wouldn't be surprised to see them still in ME3

[redguppie]

Smells of to much opinion, not enough fact.

[AceTrilby101]

The argument that keeping characters on will increase VO costs is a little flawed. If they reduce most (all, in the OP) of the main squaddies to cameo roles, BioWare would then need to bring in MORE squadmates to fill in the gaps, which wotuld only increase the VO costs.

[Doug84]

WilliamShatner wrote...

filistimo wrote...
Jacob fans

Yeah, I feel abit sorry for Jacob fans - they must be pretty lonely on here.

[aznsoisauce]

Doug84 wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

I see your reasoning but I think you should consider that many of the support threads exist because it would be out of character for characters like Garrus or Tali to leave Shepard's side before whatever events take place in ME3. All the squad mates, especially the ones from ME2, recognize the threat the Reapers pose and it just seems...weird for any of them to think that they have something better to do than to help Shepard stop the Reapers.

Well, I can see Thane maybe leaving due to his disease and a desire to patch things up more with his son before he dies, and Mordin because he's old for a Salarian - probably in his final years.

But I wouldn't be surprised to see them still in ME3

Mordin's only 30 Salarian years old...

[Doug84]

edit: Nevermind, misread

Modifié par Doug84, 26 février 2010 - 09:47 .

[fortunesque]

Doug84 wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

Doug84 wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

I see your reasoning but I think you should consider that many of the support threads exist because it would be out of character for characters like Garrus or Tali to leave Shepard's side before whatever events take place in ME3. All the squad mates, especially the ones from ME2, recognize the threat the Reapers pose and it just seems...weird for any of them to think that they have something better to do than to help Shepard stop the Reapers.

Well, I can see Thane maybe leaving due to his disease and a desire to patch things up more with his son before he dies, and Mordin because he's old for a Salarian - probably in his final years.

But I wouldn't be surprised to see them still in ME3

Mordin's only 30 Salarian years old...

No, he's not - he's about 50 in years. http://social.biowar...05/index/844703

So,  he's about 80 or so in human years

[Zulu_DFA]

aznsoisauce wrote...

filistimo wrote...
That's why I chose the phrase "get back on the horse." 

Also, I explicitly addressed Garrus fans, and the reason I gave for not including Garrus as a squadmate in ME3 is pro-Garrus. It's constructed as a reason for someone who likes and cares about Garrus /not/ to want them as a squadmate in ME3. That's the conversation that I'm trying to have here.To pick apart the argument from the other side doesn't address the issue I'm trying to talk about. I appreciate the fast response, but I would have preferred a more thoughtful one that addressed the issue raised in the original post. I apologize if I didn't express myself well enough in the original post for people to understand. I hope this response clears that up.

I see your reasoning but I think you should consider that many of the support threads exist because it would be out of character for characters like Garrus or Tali to leave Shepard's side before whatever events take place in ME3. All the squad mates, especially the ones from ME2, recognize the threat the Reapers pose and it just seems...weird for any of them to think that they have something better to do than to help Shepard stop the Reapers.

That's exacly why they have to leave Shepard. Or are they his bodyguards? Especially Tali. When does she stop hating the Geth, and finally tries to fix the Quarians' priority list into something like "Deal with the Reapers first, decide how to kill the geth later"? And Garrus, being a Turian and all, he could try to pull something about the freaking Turian Councillor, or at least produce an idea or advice. Same goes to every other character. How about stop watching Shepard in the mouth and make a difference? In the big world. And that's something the "real" in-game Cmdr. Sheapard would want and need: "Hey, guys, why don't you go and do some real work for once? I need only two of you to bang around anyway."

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 26 février 2010 - 09:51 .

[Doug84]

fortunesque wrote...

Doug84 wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...
Mordin's only 30 Salarian years old...

No, he's not - he's about 50 in years. http://social.biowar...05/index/844703

So,  he's about 80 or so in human years

Well, re-reading the Bioware post at the end of the thread, you're right - about 80 in human terms, 30 in real years. So, still, quite old for combat. But hasn't slowed him down yet.

[filistimo]

BECC4 wrote...

Let me get this straight what your saying is that, a select number of fanbases, namely the ones you don't support should let our faves go because in your opinion they shouldn't be there, but because you can validate your faves with your flawed logic they should stay?

Erm ok then, how about no!

I'm sorry, the idea I'm trying to discuss here seems a little harder for me to express clearly than I anticipated. The post I quoted here contains responses to a number of things I never meant to imply.

I'm not trying to validate my faves, nor did I intend to imply a lack of support for any given character. I like plenty of those characters just fine. I actually consider myself something of a Tali fan. I'm not trying to undermine any movements, here. I was interested in having a conversation that I hadn't seen in other places. I wanted to speculate from a different perspective for a while. I find that sort of mental exercise stimulating and interesting.  Besides, do we need another squadmate faction declaration thread on the boards? I don't think so.

[Serevir]

I think Garrus and Tali will definitely be in your squad because neither of them seems to have a compelling reason to leave



By the same logic Miranda, Jack and Jacob might stay



I'll bet the rest of the ME1 people remain absent even though I would love to hunt down the shadow broker in order to recruit Liara



I wouldn't be surprised if Thane, Mordin, Samara, and Grunt left since they seem like they might have other responsibilities to attend to.



I have a feeling the majority of the squad will leave



But my money is on most of them leaving so they can introduce new squaddies

[Flamewielder]

I think this discussion IS worthwhile, insofar as it prods us to consider Shepard's motivations and his personal relationships.

Keep in mind that Shepard is driven to stop the Reapers, be it through Paragon or Renegade choices. I've found you can pretty much find a Paragon AND a Renegade motivation to every choice you've made, depending on how you (the player) view Shepard.

Shepard was a carreer Alliance Marine officer before he became a SPECTRE. Judging from Anderson's comments, he was an excellent military officer (i.e. disciplined, self-motivated, physically adept, an overachiever)

Visions of the Proteans mass-extermination by the Reapers were burned in his mind by the beacons. Those are never gonna go away and are likely driving his/her decisions. I always thought Shepard probably feels a little desperate but he's never given up on the mission. He (reluctantly) joins forces with Cerebus only because of the Reaper threat and recruits a new team ONLY because most members of his former team are unavailable (see first conversation with TIM "I already have a team"). He obviously had no qualms about trying to recruit a ME1 love interest for ME2's "suicide" mission. I think Shepard is desperate enough to sacrifice himself and any squadmate if it will stop the Reapers, because it is THAT important to him.

So while you, as a player might want to let beloved squadmates leave Shepard to live long plentiful lives and die of old age, chances are Shepard will keep them around and work them like dogs until either the Reapers are destroyed or they all die trying...

That doesn't mean I'm pushing for all squadmates to return as squadmates in ME3. I'm all for whatever will make the storyline great. If that means my favorite LI only comes back as a non-playable character, so be it as long as his/her part is well-written.

[Flamewielder]

And regarding Jacob, I rather liked him because, like Shepard, he's from a military background AND was one of the few characters that displayed simple growing friendship towards Shepard. I'll spill some drinks on the Citadel with him anytime...

[BattleVisor]

These characters of ME2 will probably have to go being Zaeed, Samara, Jack, Thane (unless they find a cure), because they all said they will leave anyways after the mission.

Jacob is going to be axed, due to his unpopularity (a given since he is DLC) and hopefully replace by badass alliance marine soldier.

And lastly I hope Miranda f***ks off. Only good thing about that swollen headed **** was her ass.

So ME3 squad, fingers crossed will be

Ashely/Kaiden, Garrus, Tali, Liara, Grunt/Wrex, Legion, New human male, Mordin and hopefully they find a cure for Thane or introduce one new character.

So that makes it around 8/9 squad members, which is very reasonable.

I dont want to spend 90% of the game creating a new team, or Im just going to return my copy. And discourage all my friends from buying it ME3.

Modifié par BattleVisor, 26 février 2010 - 10:25 .

[Mister_Tez]

Stakis wrote...

well truth is, all ME2 chars can die, so either we get a option to choose them for ME3 ( wich will lead to a huge voice acting cost for bioware) or the fanatics that roam this forums will have to stick with some nice cameos, Liara and Kaidan/ Ashley however will be back, thats why they were left out of ME2.

Why would it lead to a huge voice acting cost?

You could have half a dozen new team members (including Liara & Kaiden/Ashley), plus maybe half the ME2 team (remove the ones which are easy to write out... Thane is dying, Samara has fulfilled her oath to you, Zaeed was just a merc-for-hire doing a one-off job, etc.). If your Shepard saved his/her whole team, then you get the full ME3 team possible. If you didn't save your whole team, then you just get the ME3 newbies plus whichever of your ME2 squad survived & isn't leaving due to being terminally ill / going back to being a Justicar / going back to being a merc / etc.

Total team size could be around the same as for ME2, *but* only half the recruitment missions & loyalty missions would be needed, as obviously all the ME2 carry-overs have already been recruited & made loyal.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Shepard is too much man for one woman anyway.



However I would like ME1 crowd to show up again (if they survive.) And Miranda and Jacob because they were kinda important. And Jacob still owes me a beer.