Computron2000 wrote...
If you let them go, how can you send them to their deaths?
Ashley take this grenade belt and run towards those collectors.
Kaidan, hug this Cain round and charge.
Liara maintain a singularity over your head so all the thrown weapons get sucked towards you. (and please don't stand near me)
Tali, overcharge the engines and ram the Reapers ship after i've ejected my escape pod.
Garrus, take out your assault rifle and stand sholder to sholder with Jacob. I need someone to block the shots at me.
Grunt, charge the collectors to draw their fire. Jack climb onto Grunts head and start shockwaving.
Legion, stuff these explosives into that hole you have in your chest then run over to that harbinger possessed collector there.
Thane, you're going to die anyway so dance a smurf dance to draw fire away from me.
Samara and Miranda, run in front of me as i move to the escape pod then cover me while i eject the escape pod.
Shepard - a man whose glory is built on dead comrades. But who cares? There's no witnesses anyway
If you really love them, you'll let them go.
#76
Posté 27 février 2010 - 01:23
#77
Posté 27 février 2010 - 01:24
All other characters do have possible reasons to leave, but I hope they stick with me through the final conflict.
#78
Posté 27 février 2010 - 01:35
As long as she doesn't die from infection/illness - that would be totally lame..
#79
Posté 27 février 2010 - 01:55
sherryb1 wrote...
Tali is the LI for my primary ME playthrough and my fav. character. I'd be completely comfortable if she moved on to bigger & better things (ie. Admiralty Board). If that were the case, I'd only hope for continued chats on the Migrant Fleet.
As long as she doesn't die from infection/illness - that would be totally lame..
Given that Quarians put so much importance in belonging to a ship, Tali's acceptance of her vas Normandy surname clearly expresses her desire to remain on the Normandy, regardless of her exact relationship with Shepard (friends or lovers). If she survived, she'll want to stay on the Normandy as crew or squadmate.
#80
Posté 27 février 2010 - 02:10
Flamewielder wrote...
sherryb1 wrote...
Tali is the LI for my primary ME playthrough and my fav. character. I'd be completely comfortable if she moved on to bigger & better things (ie. Admiralty Board). If that were the case, I'd only hope for continued chats on the Migrant Fleet.
As long as she doesn't die from infection/illness - that would be totally lame..
Given that Quarians put so much importance in belonging to a ship, Tali's acceptance of her vas Normandy surname clearly expresses her desire to remain on the Normandy, regardless of her exact relationship with Shepard (friends or lovers). If she survived, she'll want to stay on the Normandy as crew or squadmate.
Yes, both are good points. Ship surname and Tali's relationship to Shepard are important. I'm fairly optimisic about Tali returning in ME3 as a squadmate.
But does family trump friends/lovers? Quarians talk so much about being part of a family aboard the fleet, and conflict/resolution with the Geth will appear in ME3. I think Tali will want to be there for that.
Modifié par sherryb1, 27 février 2010 - 02:15 .
#81
Posté 27 février 2010 - 02:24
filistimo wrote...
Miranda/Jacob fans- Is the most you hope for them to be your second-in-command? Is that your full expectation of their potential? That goes for Garrus, too. Don't you want him climbing back on the command horse and putting together his own team?
They are pretty awesome, but they aren't Shepard. They need to be on Shepard's team for ME3 and then they can go back to the stuff that they were doing before. Stopping a Batarian WMD on the citadel isn't the same as wiping out the reapers but its important.
Garrus is on our team. He won't want to be anywhere else. Garrus is cool like that. He only pulled together his own team (and failed) beacuse Shepard died. He would have stayed with Shepard otherwise.
filistimo wrote...
Kaiden/Ashley fans- They've drawn their line in the sand. However they might feel about you, they're Alliance soldiers. How do you expect them to react when an ex-Spectre, touched by the same artifacts as Saren, arrives out of the shadows with an army of Geth, Krogan, and Rachni at his(her) back? Do you require everyone you love to spit on their principles and other allegiances on your word? I don't call that love.
They thought you were dead. Thats tough to deal with. So for two years they got re-involved with their work in an attempt to get over their loss. You have more evidence now, and depending on how you handled the Collector Base situtation and you didn't cheat on them, they have no reason to think you're crazy. They saw Vigil and Soveriegn first-hand. Its not that they don't believe in the reapers. If Ash/Kai find the Alliance won't do anything about the reapers given the new evidence, they will come back to Shepard's side - relationship or no. (Some people romanced liara afterall)
filistimo wrote...
Tali fans- Wouldn't you rather see her raised to the Admiralty and, after being largely absent the whole game, show up in the nick of time- with the whole Quarian fleet- during the final assault?
The Quarians still need a place to put non-combatants. Its clear the admiralty is divided. Shepard is going to be tasked with this in ME3.
filistimo wrote...
Liara fans- If she does take the Shadow Broker down, that would leave a considerable vacuum in the secrets industry that she would be particularly well-placed to fill. Where is she going to be the most valuable?
This I agree with. Information is power. We're going to need an information broker on our side for sure. But could the Geth fill this role? Questions...
filistimo wrote...
The characters I see as the best choices- purely from a character perspective- for ME3 squadmates:
Jack: Has the most to gain in terms of personal growth in a setting where she's part of a group. She's already part of one on the Normandy and she's going to have trust issues with any group that forms around her out on her own.
Grunt (and/or Wrex): Things could go any number of ways on Tuchanka. Any number of these could end with Grunt or Wrex ending up on the final mission.
Aria: 1) Loses everything if everyone in the galaxy is brainwashed and enslaved by the Reapers. 2) How frickin' sweet would that be?
Dr. Chakwas: I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for that romance storyline. (I'm only half-kidding).
Zaeed: Obviously, I'm a big fan but the "Zaeed Massani Support Thread" is dark and full of spiders.
I'm really interested in what other people think about these ideas, though I understand that some of them are controversial and I totally expect to get flamed. Please, just try to keep them creative.
If you didn't romance Jack, I don't see her sticking around. She doesn't want to talk to my femShep anymore.
I wish Wrex would come back to my party in ME3. He's my favorite. Seriously. But he's got the Krogan to unify - its too risky for him to have him along. I think we're stuck with Grunt through ME3.
Aria is interesting but I think she's staying on Omega. Though a reunion between she and Wrex would be awesome to see.
Dr. Chakwas will be on our ship (unless she died in your play through). Your infatuation with her makes me laugh. XD
Zaeed isn't going to stick around. He needs to shoot more speedballs and discover obscure bands before they sell out.
#82
Posté 27 février 2010 - 09:00
filistimo wrote...
Original post.
To an extent, I agree. But if Shepard fails, all sentient life in the galaxy will be wiped out. Right now, he needs the best by his side, not off playing vigilanté or commanding a ship of their own or trying to save the krogans or bring down the Shadow Broker.
This is bigger-picture stuff. After the Reapers have been vanquished, the character themselves should be able to decide whether to stay or go.
#83
Posté 27 février 2010 - 09:04
Also, Husk romance goddamnit!
#84
Posté 27 février 2010 - 09:05
Flamewielder wrote...
Well... that certainly doesn't lack in originality... but perhaps not the most productive useage of your team mates!
That's ok, Shepard could always recruit more. Turian number 883664 and Quarian number 193938 would be next on the recruitment list. Humans are a dime a dozen too.
#85
Posté 27 février 2010 - 09:10
#86
Posté 27 février 2010 - 10:04
Becoming a Savior of the Universe is squandering their potential? I'm not sure about Jacob, and Miranda is likely dependent upon her relationship status, but all Garrus has ever wanted, his primary motivation throughout his entire life, is to be a protector. He has no other friends, no career, and he mentions his family all of once, and not in a sentimental manner. He only has ties to one person in this screwed up galaxy; Shepard.filistimo wrote...
Miranda/Jacob fans- Is the most you hope for them to be your second-in-command? Is that your full expectation of their potential? That goes for Garrus, too. Don't you want him climbing back on the command horse and putting together his own team?
He belongs by Shepard's side; whether it be as a lover if you romanced him, or just a trusted friend. It's where he wants to be, it's where he can do the most good, it's where he's always been at his best.
Garrus has no problem being a follower, as long as he respects and trusts his leader. That said, my dream romance ending would be for Garrus to become a Spectre at the end of ME3, and the two become partners and spend their lives righting wrongs together.
I think -- should she not have the emotional ties of a romance with Shepard -- Miranda might consider branching out and starting her own private organization, free of the underhandedness and reputation of Cerberus, since she seems to believe in the goals of promoting and protecting human interests. But until that time, why shouldn't she stay with Shepard and see it through to the end?
This goes for a good number of them. They're invested in this the same as Shepard, as well they should be. The entire galaxy is at stake and Shepard needs them now more than ever. Where they go after is a different story, but they should be there for the final chapter... all of them.
#87
Posté 27 février 2010 - 10:17
filistimo wrote...
Kaiden/Ashley fans- They've drawn their line in the sand. However they might feel about you, they're Alliance soldiers. How do you expect them to react when an ex-Spectre, touched by the same artifacts as Saren, arrives out of the shadows with an army of Geth, Krogan, and Rachni at his(her) back? Do you require everyone you love to spit on their principles and other allegiances on your word? I don't call that love.
You may be an ex-Spectre but I'm not. I was a total suck up and had my status reactivated. And I haven't been indoctrinated! And the whole Rachni thing, Kaidan and council know about. The only one who cared about that is dead, oh poor Ash...ah who am I kidding.
#88
Posté 27 février 2010 - 10:19
Aris Ravenstar wrote...
But until that time, why shouldn't she stay with Shepard and see it through to the end?
This is the most important part.
Now if you were the others, lets take Thane for example, if he didn't help Shepard complete the mission, he might very well end up in a bunker with Kolyat regretting that he never *tried* and Kolyat is going to die with him from the Reaper bombardment outside.
How about Samara seeing an entire village of asari destroyed in about 10 seconds by mass effect cannons? All innocents killed. Her help might not have been of any consequence but would she have regrets on not *trying*?
Then as Tali looks out on the Neema, the Migrant fleet ships are exploding left and right. Maybe she would be thinking "I should have helped Shepard to *try* and stop this. Now its hopeless".
The rest would have the same feelings. Its not that chance is slim but that you took the chance to change the course of fate when it was given to you. Regrets over missed opportunities is greatest when it takes the most important things from you.
Modifié par Computron2000, 27 février 2010 - 10:21 .
#89
Posté 27 février 2010 - 12:28
I see your points, and most of them are good... But if you take taking them to the extreme, aren't all your squaddies better off without Shepard? Part of it was already addressed by Isaantia, so I'll just add my points to hers.
Jack: I guess the ultimate goal is to help Jack overcome her mistrust by showing her that people care. But what next? I think sticking with Jack will stunt her personal growth, actually. You can make Jack see the light, but do you need to reiterate it again and again? Let her go with hope and good memories, lest she becomes clingy. And my Shep already did that by catching her hand during the Fall. Still, I have no ideas about her future.
Wrex/Grunt - I am 100% with Isaantia. All right, 50% with Isaantia, because I think Grunt needs to be on Tuchanka learning the new ways of the krogan from Wrex. Will I be left without my krogan fix? I will be heartbroken, but they are ding good work on Tuchanka, way more important than serving as my meat shields. And in teh end I think he'll join me as a krogan general.
Aria - I think Aria is too willful to work with anyone. She is ultimately her own master. Still, it can be done, but I think she works better as an ally, not a squaddie (see your own point about Miranda). I hope she keeps Omega.
Zaeed - Zaeed, being a mercenary, can be hired again, although he did state that he's not cut for this 'saving the universe' type of work. He may well turn us down.
@Aris
I got the impression that Garrus actually wants to work on his own. He was not on the Normandy when Shepard dropped off the grid, so their paths have already diverged once, and it was probably his choice. Perhaps he wanted to be responsible for his own actions, and not necessarily guard Shepards back.
If he'll be made Spectre, he will have his own budget, fly his own ship, have all the tools at
his disposal to battle bad guys the way he sees fit. In fact, it's
Garrus' dream come true. And these days he's renegade enough not to look back at his father.
But there's also another point: Garrus may want to stick around, and I want him to stick around, but 'personal is not the same as important', and Bio may pull it on us again. They have essentially done it with Wrex: he is doing what is important, and dragging him with us would be selfish, and most of us see it and comply. What if Garrus would head the whole faction essential to the anti-Reaper effort - Citadel C-Sec, separate Spectre team, part of turian fleet, whateverm, and he would be required to be there in person? Letting him go would be kinda like pulling teeth, though. Don't wanna, but must do.
It's the same with Miri. Oh, I want Miri to stay my XO, and sending her on her way would be like pulling another tooth, with Garrus gone and and all. But she is the only one who has intimate knowledge of Cerberus protocols. I may need her to take the Illusive man down, and she may need to pick upthe mantle of the Illusive Woman. Or, as Aris has stated, she may well be organizing her own shady network. Still, filistimo's point holds - she is so capable that keeping her at your side can be presented as being less benefitial to the war effort than letting her go. A plot device if I've ever seen one, but it is... probable.
Except with all the teeth pulled, Shepard will be left toothless. Again. Hey, they should stop crippling her!
#90
Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:27
Sesshomaru47 wrote...
filistimo wrote...
Kaiden/Ashley fans- They've drawn their line in the sand. However they might feel about you, they're Alliance soldiers. How do you expect them to react when an ex-Spectre, touched by the same artifacts as Saren, arrives out of the shadows with an army of Geth, Krogan, and Rachni at his(her) back? Do you require everyone you love to spit on their principles and other allegiances on your word? I don't call that love.
You may be an ex-Spectre but I'm not. I was a total suck up and had my status reactivated. And I haven't been indoctrinated! And the whole Rachni thing, Kaidan and council know about. The only one who cared about that is dead, oh poor Ash...ah who am I kidding.
Even if your Spectre status was reactivated, you'd still be a tool of the Citadel Council, NOT a member of the Alliance military. Ash/Kaiden/Anderson are carreer military, they're all professionnals and they have standing orders about protecting classified information from being shared with non-Alliance personnel. You may feel betrayed by them for their feeling suspicious of your new Cerberus allies, but ultimately they were just being faithful to their values and duties. What you decide Shepard's reaction to this is up to you.
I suspect they'll still play important roles in ME3 and in the fight to come (even if not taking any metagaming info into account like the C. Hudson's interview). Anderson's not putting up with the Council's denial of the Reaper threat and you can bet he's pulling all the strings he can to get the Alliance prepared. Lots of Alliance personnel who were involved in the Battle of the Citadel are probably convinced the threat is real (as stated by Ken and Gaby). Similarily, Miranda and Jacob also have lots of contacts in the Alliance military; Miranda among the upper echelons while Jacob probably still has friends in the rank and file.
They are all characters that may very well help Shepard more productively as a network of operatives than as simple squadmates. The same can be said of Liara. Don't get me wrong: I'd love to see them back as squadmates but I won't be tossing my ME3 copy out the window if they get good screen time as NPC's in the next installment.
Garrus, on the other hand, probably burned a fair number of bridges with C-Sec when he decided to play vigilante on Omega. I seriously question his chances of being selected by the Council to become a SPECTRE, showing an obvious contempt for authority figures and due process. SPECTRES may bend the rules to accomplish the goals of the Council, but they still answer to the Council. He might make a good commando/cell leader but would likely be more productive under Shepard's direct leadership.
Jack's kind of in the same boat: no family, no friends, no one outside of Shepard and some of the Normandy crewmates (Grunt likes her well enough). She's be a great squadmate but useless otherwise in the fight against the Reapers. No personal reason to leave the Normandy, nowhere else to go. She's a keeper, given her background. And would you, as Shepard, let that wild biotic loose on some station???
Grunt's happy with Shepard as battlemaster, but would benefit from Wrex's tutoring in the ways of "civilized" krogans (not to mention he's bound to be popular among the lady krogans, handsome devil that he is...)
Samara's strict adherence to the Justicar code can pause a problem for a non-paragon Shepard; since she's fulfilled her oath to Shepard, she's free to go. Sure, the Reaper threat is huge, but she's essentially a loner. She'll assist Shepard in the fight, but likely not as a squadmate.
Zaeed's a pro mercenary, used to be considered an asset or tool. A good squadmate but he's not bonded to Shepard the way other former squadmates have. My guess is he's not coming back (unless you're paying his fee, of course
Tali Zorah vas Normandy will remain on the Normandy, as a crewmember much like Dr. Chakwas. Both feel profound loyalty towards Shepard and will stick to him like glue. Tali loves ships and technology and will likely develop an interest for EDI/Legion. Nice story development potential there, without requiring Tali to be a squadmate. Add in Joker and you have great potential for humour and relationships. Plus, Tali takes the Reaper threat seriously ("How would it look if I turned my back on THIS?"). Given the way the Admiralty Board attempted to use her trial for political reasons, I don't think she's interested in becoming part of the quarian rulership. She strikes me as too idealistic for that. I think she'll try to help her people in her own personal way.
Mordin could also become the Normandy's science officer. again as a crewmate instead of a squadmate but he also has contacts among the salarian STG. He's got projects to keep him busy off the Normandy and still help the fight against the Reapers.
Finally, Thane... who has how much time left? He doesn't know himself. I agree that, in his shoes, I'd try to spend my final days with the son I tried so hard to save, Reapers be damned. He's probably got the most motivation to leave the Normandy, regardless of his status as a potential LI. Expect an e-mail asking you to be careful and come back to him after your big mission (à la Ashley/Kaidan).
#91
Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:41
WindOverTuchanka wrote...
If he'll be made Spectre, he will have his own budget, fly his own ship, have all the tools at
his disposal to battle bad guys the way he sees fit. In fact, it's
Garrus' dream come true. And these days he's renegade enough not to look back at his father.
.... What if Garrus would head the whole faction essential to the anti-Reaper effort - Citadel C-Sec, separate Spectre team, part of turian fleet, whateverm, and he would be required to be there in person? Letting him go would be kinda like pulling teeth, though. Don't wanna, but must do.
Yeah, the entire reason Garrus ended up on Omega was because being a Specter just didn't work out for him, to many poletics. He also says that he was glad he left the turian military and C-Sec because "when it come doesn to it, I don't think I'm a very good turian" That and the fact that he already lost his entire team once probably turned him off to the idea of forming his own team.
Garrus wants to do good more then anything else without regulations or restrictions to get in his way, the best way he could do that is to stay with Shepard.
#92
Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:46
She has no chance against the Shadow Broker. She's trying to play big girl against a huge enemy but is really still the same shy little girl deep down. She desperately needed Shepard's help to hack a few terminals and would probably have been killed by her secretary who was a sleeper agent for the Shadow Broker, had Shepard not assisted her. She's in way over her head. Not that I give a damn if she dies in the process.filistimo wrote...
Liara fans- If she does take the Shadow Broker down, that would leave a considerable vacuum in the secrets industry that she would be particularly well-placed to fill. Where is she going to be the most valuable?
#93
Posté 27 février 2010 - 05:16
ODST 3 wrote...
She has no chance against the Shadow Broker. She's trying to play big girl against a huge enemy but is really still the same shy little girl deep down. She desperately needed Shepard's help to hack a few terminals and would probably have been killed by her secretary who was a sleeper agent for the Shadow Broker, had Shepard not assisted her. She's in way over her head. Not that I give a damn if she dies in the process.filistimo wrote...
Liara fans- If she does take the Shadow Broker down, that would leave a considerable vacuum in the secrets industry that she would be particularly well-placed to fill. Where is she going to be the most valuable?
Yeah, she does seem to be in way over her head. By her own admission in ME1 she's "not a people person". Still 2 comics left before we learn exactly what happened to her in the 2 years Shepard spent on an operating table... She's certainly focused on whatever task she takes on, but her known skillset certainly appears limited in the information brokerage business.
Mind you, by asking Shepard to hack the terminals for her, she made it impossible for the hack to be traced back to her directly. AND, the fact that she knew what information to look for implies a fair amount of prior success in the information gathering business.
#94
Posté 27 février 2010 - 09:13
I think the reason he left was because the Normandy SR-1 was an Alliance ship, and it sort of felt like he had to. And of course, Garrus was a different man then.WindOverTuchanka wrote...
@Aris
I got the impression that Garrus actually wants to work on his own. He was not on the Normandy when Shepard dropped off the grid, so their paths have already diverged once, and it was probably his choice. Perhaps he wanted to be responsible for his own actions, and not necessarily guard Shepards back.
If he'll be made Spectre, he will have his own budget, fly his own ship, have all the tools at
his disposal to battle bad guys the way he sees fit. In fact, it's
Garrus' dream come true. And these days he's renegade enough not to look back at his father.
But there's also another point: Garrus may want to stick around, and I want him to stick around, but 'personal is not the same as important', and Bio may pull it on us again. They have essentially done it with Wrex: he is doing what is important, and dragging him with us would be selfish, and most of us see it and comply. What if Garrus would head the whole faction essential to the anti-Reaper effort - Citadel C-Sec, separate Spectre team, part of turian fleet, whateverm, and he would be required to be there in person? Letting him go would be kinda like pulling teeth, though. Don't wanna, but must do.
He would still be responsible for his actions as Shepard's right-hand man, and would provide valuable input. As for being needed elsewhere, I highly doubt just having worked with Shepard would be enough for him to be made the head of C-Sec or the Turian fleet or whatnot, he simply doesn't have enough clout. He's just an average joe as far as the galaxy is concerned. He's not the child of some important character like Tali, he hasn't been successful in building a 'brand' for himself the way Liara and Wrex have. Simply being turian doesn't mean he would automatically be tied to the turians in some meaningful way, and I'd rather have him beside Shepard than rejoining C-Sec or the turian military and becoming some middle-level officer.
The situation is different with Wrex because Wrex had always made it known that his interests lie with the krogan. Taking him away from that would be selfish. But there would be no dragging along involved with Garrus, he belongs there.
@Landline: I've been hearing people saying he hasn't had luck with being a Spectre, but since I took the Paragon route I never got these dialogues. What did he say about it? There's not really a lot of red tape when it comes to being a Spectre... You do what you want. Shepard even had the option of hanging up on the Council and treating them like crap and they still wanted him/her back, so...
EDIT: Another thing you have to take into account is that Garrus is in the unique position of having a different view on the world depending on your choices with him. Where he goes from here has to be compatible with that. A Paragon Garrus isn't going to take out some mercs and become the new leader of Eclipse or Blue Suns and try to reform it from the inside. A Renegade Garrus certainly isn't going to join C-Sec.
Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 27 février 2010 - 09:19 .
#95
Posté 28 février 2010 - 01:36
Lady Dino wrote...
filistimo wrote...
That goes for Garrus, too. Don't you want him climbing back on the command horse and putting together his own team?
Hell even his last words (if you make him the second fire team leader and he dies) are "Sorry, Shepard. Wont be with you at the end. Snipe one for me, would you?" Sure he possibly just meant the end of the suicide mission, but if you wanna read between the lines, I'm sure he meant the very end the final battle, and all that good stuff.
Edit: Gah!? Wall of text! Fixed...
Yeah, I think Garrus has the strongest case for being a squadmate 3 games strong. And since I DO wanna read between the lines (heh), I think patterns in his dialogue like you pointed out reflect that. Not only saying "won't be with you" if he dies, but his recurrent variations on "I'm here/will be here if you need me" and battle lines like "right behind you." Plus, Shep mirrors that at least in my paragon game, at the end of his loyalty mission when he says (more or less) "Let's go, I need to get away from this place for a while" and she says "I'm with you." They have just been buddies since the beginning (or, he has followed him/her, depending on how you look at it). I dunno, maybe it is different for renegades, or manSheps, but my general impression is that he is pretty bro-ey with manShep too. And of course, if you choose, more than friends with femShep.
So yeah, I think Garrus has more reason than most to stick around. Plus like somebody said (I can't find it), he's obsessed with ridding the galaxy of that which is bad. Not much better way to do that than hunting the reapers.
#96
Posté 28 février 2010 - 01:41
sapphyreelf wrote...
Wait, so we should let people move on when we don't know yet if we are going to be able to be reinstated in the Alliance?
I see no reason for their to be a line that Kaidan/Ashley can't cross if we come back and abandon the whole Cerberus gig. (Which I did).
and
Flamewielder wrote...
Sesshomaru47 wrote...
filistimo wrote...
Kaiden/Ashley
fans- They've drawn their line in the sand. However they might feel
about you, they're Alliance soldiers. How do you expect them to react
when an ex-Spectre, touched by the same artifacts as Saren,
arrives out of the shadows with an army of Geth, Krogan, and Rachni at
his(her) back? Do you require everyone you love to spit on their
principles and other allegiances on your word? I don't call that love.
You
may be an ex-Spectre but I'm not. I was a total suck up and had my
status reactivated. And I haven't been indoctrinated! And the whole
Rachni thing, Kaidan and council know about. The only one who cared
about that is dead, oh poor Ash...ah who am I kidding.
Even
if your Spectre status was reactivated, you'd still be a tool of the
Citadel Council, NOT a member of the Alliance military.
Ash/Kaiden/Anderson are carreer military, they're all professionnals
and they have standing orders about protecting classified information
from being shared with non-Alliance personnel. You may feel betrayed by
them for their feeling suspicious of your new Cerberus allies, but
ultimately they were just being faithful to their values and duties.
What you decide Shepard's reaction to this is up to you.
I
suspect they'll still play important roles in ME3 and in the fight to
come (even if not taking any metagaming info into account like the C.
Hudson's interview). Anderson's not putting up with the Council's
denial of the Reaper threat and you can bet he's pulling all the
strings he can to get the Alliance prepared. Lots of Alliance personnel
who were involved in the Battle of the Citadel are probably convinced
the threat is real (as stated by Ken and Gaby). Similarily, Miranda and
Jacob also have lots of contacts in the Alliance military; Miranda
among the upper echelons while Jacob probably still has friends in the
rank and file.
They are all characters that may very well help
Shepard more productively as a network of operatives than as simple
squadmates. The same can be said of Liara. Don't get me wrong: I'd love
to see them back as squadmates but I won't be tossing my ME3 copy out
the window if they get good screen time as NPC's in the next
installment.
^ These. My Shep cooperated with Cerberus only as much as she had to, to deal with the Reapers. What she said to Kaidan/Ash on Horizon was true - that Cerberus is the only one doing anything about this threat, and that her ultimate goal is to save Humanity. She doesn't trust Cerberus, or the Illusive man. From where I stood, Anderson was her ally through and through; she is not asking Kaidan/Ash to compromise their principles or throw ANYTHING out. I wouldn't be surprised to see him/her joining the fight in ME3, along with Anderson and any/everyone else that actually sees the real threat here.
Modifié par Brijenieve, 28 février 2010 - 01:43 .
#97
Posté 28 février 2010 - 01:41
#98
Posté 28 février 2010 - 01:44
And possibly even exiled. Where the hell could she go besides staying on the Normandy with you?Marstead wrote...
I don't understand why everyone seems to think Tali won't be coming back given that she is now proudly named Tali'Zorah vas Normandy.
Ya, she will go open a used ship shop on Omega instead of help save the galaxy... [/sarcasm]
#99
Posté 28 février 2010 - 01:49
filistimo wrote...
Tali fans- Wouldn't you rather see her raised to the Admiralty and, after being largely absent the whole game, show up in the nick of time- with the whole Quarian fleet- during the final assault?
Actually, I'd rather she remained my head engineer, drone jockey, and shotgun sister. We're doing important work on the Normandy, and I'd rather she stayed by my side, at least until the work is done.
Dr. Chakwas: I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for that romance storyline. (I'm only half-kidding).
I've wanted to see this since this first game, and I'm not even quarter-kidding.





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