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[Sledge454]

If you believe in young earth creationism, then by default you can't believe in:

The ability to measure distance
- You could measure the distance of a star which would be greater than 6000 light years.
Measuring luminosity and time
- Another way of telling how far a star is away
Red and blue light
- Objects moving in space away from us red shift light from which we can estimate speed. It is possible using Hubble's Constant and the speed of an object in space to determine its distance

If you believe in young earth creationism, then by default you must believe in:

- A god who lies to you
If the universe truly is 6000 years old, then based on our current knowledge of astronomy which shows us things farther away than 6000 light years, that would mean the universe's creator made it look far older than it actually is. But that's OK. It's all part of god's plan. He won't tell you what the plan is but you'll darn well accept it or be cast into a lake of fire for all eternity.

http://www.youtube.c...975FF2FEECF90D3

Think about it...

Modifié par Sledge454, 26 février 2010 - 11:19 .

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Busomjack wrote...

Darht Jayder wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

He's 16, I'm 18. We play M rated games like Gears of War, Unreal Tournament III, and Dragon Age. I don't see the big deal.

No offence to your friend ....but his mom let's him play all these games but not Mass effect because of her belief in the age of earth........she has teh downs or something?

My friend doesn't even agree.  He just goes to church and reads the bible because it makes his mother happy.  I've never asked him personally but I think he's an agnostic like I am.

You have to understand, I am from the deep south and down here saying you're anything other than a Christian can get you killed.

Like someone already stated, "Only in America"
Freakin' nutjob radicals will end this planet!

[Pauravi]

The Angry One wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

I am going to refrain from saying what I want to say, but typically the men constantly attacking the Bible and promoting atheism or cults of personality are those with agendas.

Yes, because actual Christians never dismiss the old testament.. oh wait, yes they do.

Except when they're using it to hate teh gays.

Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie
with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Of course, this is also in Leviticus:

Leviticus 20:9 - For every one that
curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath
cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.

Be nice to your parents, kids!

[Zyrious]

The Angry One wrote...

There's no argument to win. Hell, every level-headed Christian I know dismisses the Old Testament as a dated piece of fiction. Belief in even the Christian God has nothing to do with it.

I dont know who you are hanging out with, but they arent christian. I'm a christian baptist (No, not southern baptist), and i can tell that while we dont accept most literal interpretations of the old testament, the old testament is still VERY MUCH a huge part of our religion. It's a part of the new testament, and several other documents written at the time not included in the old testament were put into the new testament. The message and lessons of the entire bible are very much important.

There are era specific moral lessons, and contextual lessons, and lessons meant for all time and all situations. You cannot just dismiss the old testament, though you surely do not have to take everything literally (It wasnt meant to be. These were men who had to explaint he works of beings far beyond our understanding, and the creation of the universe in an era before quantum physics and orbital telescopes existed).

Remember that the old testament is a part of the christian bible, and while it may not be taken literally, it is not "dismissed as a dated piece of fiction".

On topic: I'm surprised the mother took enough interest in the game to actually learn about the protheans (then again, maybe that's stated on the cover of the game). Regardless of what you think of the ideology of the mother, atleast she's clearly doing what many parent's do not. And as stated, if the person in question need's his mother's permission, then he is not old enough for Mass Effect.

[Busomjack]

ReconTeam wrote...

Busomjack wrote...
Richard Dawkins isn't really trying to win people over.  His work is red meat for atheist.

I don't think it's possible for an atheist to really win over a Christian.  If somebody is willing to believe things that can be proven false such as the earth being in the center of the universe or the universe being 6000 years old then there is nothing that can convince them to change their mindset.

It's not worth it.  Just live and let live.

And that just shows that you are unwilling to even learn about Christian beliefs if you think that we all believe the earth to be in the center in the universe. And again the Bible doesn't even say that anyway.

And this mindset that you are either an atheist or a Christian is idiotic. One can be a theist or deist without being "religious."

I don't, sorry if it came across that way.
The majority of Christians from where I live certainly do believe it though and that is why my perception of Christianity has been shaped that way.

[jtav]

I would say that the ME universe is an implicitly atheistic one (or at least tha orthodox Christianity cannot possibly be true) because of the Lazarus Project. Shepard wasn't in a coma or "only mostly dead." He was literally, actually dead. His soul had left his body. In traditional/orthodox Christian thought the soul's ultimate destiny is either heaven or Hell (purgatory is a temporary state). The soul is also what makes you "you." The fact that Shepard was brought back "exactly as he was, the same mind, the same morals" through non-divine means argues against the existence of an immortal soul in ME.

Also, one of the novels refers to Earth's religions being knocked into a tailspin by the discovery of extraterrestrials. Actually, several apologists have already advance arguments on how aliens can be compatible with Christianity. (cf C.S. Lewis)

Modifié par jtav, 26 février 2010 - 11:23 .

[Digifi]

I personally think that Busomjack is either a master troll or the most masterfully unintentional troll of all times (take that as a complement either way). This is going epic in a hurry.

[Obliterati]

DarthCaine wrote...

Obliterati wrote...

I'm Catholic, and the Vatican has long accepted that Genesis is a parable and that multi-billion year evolution (guided by the hand of God, of course) is a scientific probability.

They change their mind every time a new scientific discovery proves religion wrong

Bet you pick up a lot of chicks with your totally edgy attitude. You're such a rebel!

[LJScribes]

this game isn't anti-Christian, Christian's just make it that way because they're touchy to almost everything.



If i recall in ME1 there is a conversation with Ashley regarding religion, faith, and belief in God, to which the player can make their own reply. so if anything it's open to whatever religion you choose it isn't biased

[The Angry One]

Now uploading Deus virus.



Kekekeke.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Great, more atheist "preachers" who think all or even most Christians are "young earth creationists" and they are now posting youtube videos.



Quick somebody post some Picard pictures and get this on the fast track to being locked.

[The Angry One]

Zyrious wrote...

I dont know who you are hanging out with, but they arent christian.

So if a Christian doesn't think as you do, they're not Christian.
Even given the numerous different denominations around.

Interesting.

[Valikdu]

Is Mass Effect anti-Christian?

**** yeah!

[GuardianAngel470]

Ecael wrote...

Around the year 5 B.C., followers of God discovered the prophet of a Jewish civilization. In the decades that followed, this mysterious prophet revealed startling new miracles, enabling him as the Son of God. The basis for this incredible revelation spurred the formation of the largest group of Sunday Mass churchgoers of all time.

They called this massive religious denomination "Christianity".

The civilizations of the world call it...

Dude, that is ridiculously funny.

[javierabegazo]

I've gotten several PM's about this thread already, more than a few offensive comments are rampant, time for a Lockdown



The off topic forum is always open as well

[yuncas]

Busomjack wrote...

He's 16, I'm 18. We play M rated games like Gears of War, Unreal Tournament III, and Dragon Age. I don't see the big deal.

Kindly go over to your friends house, tell his mother to take her head straight out of her ass, and swiftly punch her in the throat. Then you and your friend take a bus to NYC or California and find some women with questionable morals, do some good drugs, listen to rock-n-roll music and never ever go back to the south. That or tell your friend to get some balls and tell his mother to shut her ignorant, hypocritical, controlling trap. And am I mistaken or does DA:O have magic and S E X!  AAAAAAHhhhhhhhhhhhh!


And regarding the violence, doesn't christ say love your enemy, if someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

[Zyrious]

jtav wrote...

I would say that the ME universe is an implicitly atheistic one because of the Lazarus Project. Shepard wasn't in a coma or "only mostly dead." He was literally, actually dead. His soul had left his body. In traditional/orthodox Christian thought the soul's ultimate destiny is either heaven or Hell (purgatory is a temporary state). The soul is also what makes you "you." The fact that Shepard was brought back "exactly as he was, the same mind, the same morals" through non-divine means argues against the existence of an immortal soul in ME.

Also, one of the novels refers to Earth's religions being knocked into a tailspin by the discovery of extraterrestrials. Actually, several apologists have already advance arguments on how aliens can be compatible with Christianity. (cf C.S. Lewis)

The bible doesnt say aliens dont exist, it doesnt say they can't either. It doesnt discuss the subject. Also, Lazarus has no effect one way or the other. People die all the time (as in dead. Dead as dead is. Brain is not functioning dead) and are brought back by doctors or paramedic's. It has had no effect. The bible does not, ever, say once the soul leaves, it leaves forever. Whatever connects us to our body would clearly be restored if we are brought back to life, and our soul would return. Or however you want to think about it, again it is not something explicitly explored by the bible, it is not a scientific journal or Q&A with Jesus about how everything works (AKA not a technical manual(.

[7th_Phoenix]

The Happy One wrote...

This thread is on FIIIIIYAAAAA

Your friend's mom is an imbecile.

His friend's mom is overprotective and probably paranoid... and needs to chill. It's just a game... fiction not reality. Besides, it's not like Mass Effect is promoting "anti-whatever" just saving the galaxy. His friend's mom is also foolish to not understand that there are people mature enough to not become "susceptible" or "influenced" by a video game... like her own son, perhaps.

[Pauravi]

Busomjack wrote...

Richard Dawkins isn't really trying to win people over.  His work is red meat for atheist.

I don't think it's possible for an atheist to really win over a Christian.  If somebody is willing to believe things that can be proven false such as the earth being in the center of the universe or the universe being 6000 years old then there is nothing that can convince them to change their mindset.

That is largely true, although I certainly do meet my fair share of "Christians with doubts", and that sort of aggressive rhetoric drives those people away and makes them think that all atheists are d*cks.

I met one in a GE philosophy class once.  He was very confused when we were having a conversation about the Big Bang one day, and he asked me about it during a break (it was a 3-hour lecture).  His church had told him that Big Bang theory and the theory of evolution were "the same thing".  I patiently explained to him why they had almost nothing to do with each other.  He seemed grateful, and kind of annoyed that he had been informed so wrongly.

[jklinders]

Busomjack wrote...

Mondo_ wrote...

Only some believe that young earth theory.

You mean not all Christians believe the universe is 6000 years old?   I guess this is treading into dangerous territory.  I mean, you're going to have Chrsitians on both sides claiming one side doesn't accurately represent their faith.
I think Christians should unite though and agree that the universe isn't thousands of years old since that can actually be proven false.

A literal interpretation of the Book of Genesis spells out that Earth is only around 6000 years old. Those chapters of the Bible are to most (I think) Christians purely allegorical and not to be taken completely literally.

IMHO people who are unable to reconcile what is known aboutr science with their faith needs some hard lessons in critical thinking. If I wanted to talk about ME2 being anti-christian I would focus more on the player's ability to do completely the opposite of "what Jesus would do"

My 2 coppers.