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[Jewsapalewsa]

I played a two handed Warrior on my first playthrough, and my girlfriend played a dual wielding rouge on hers, and she consistantly dealt more damage per second than I did.

edit: I recently discovered that a two-handed warrior is tantamount to a useless covered crap mountain when it comes to damage, so this might not be valid

Modifié par Jewsapalewsa, 27 février 2010 - 10:35 .

[jsachun]

Jewsapalewsa wrote...

I played a two handed Warrior on my first playthrough, and my girlfriend played a dual wielding rouge on hers, and she consistantly dealt more damage per second than I did.

edit: I recently discovered that a two-handed warrior is tantamount to a useless covered crap mountain when it comes to damage, so this might not be valid

You can't compare Two hands with DW. Have you tried a DW warrior? 

Modifié par jsachun, 27 février 2010 - 10:46 .

[CybAnt1]

My only quibble would be that I would differentiate slightly the archery & dual wield trees between warriors and rogues. The truth is taking dueling makes the difference in melee, but rogues should do better with "sneaky" archery (i.e. sniping).



Also, it just seems to me rogues need one more base talent school.



Warriors have four schools (archery, dual wield, S & S, 2H +mainclass), mages four magic schools (+mainclass), and rogues ... three (two duplicating those of warriors for dual wield & archery, +mainclass). They could stand to get a few more unique talents, but perhaps it balances out because they can take more skills.

[Freezingfire]

Vuokseniska wrote...

what class is a rouge? people seem to keep talking about them

They are quite powerful! A rouge killed me once, it was a complete and utter mascara!

[Addai]

Jose Ramirez wrote...

well, can't argue there. definately do not know how to play with a rogue. most of my attack pattern is root/stun with morrigan then send in my two tanks, i do play leiliana as a warrior..

"Slow, stupid meat shield" refers to the class, not to any player.  Just to clarify.    Rogues use cunning to make attacks more effective, warriors rely on better weapons and strength.  Hence, stupid.

Why play with two tanks?  I don't understand.  And if you mainly use Leliana as a melee fighter, it's no wonder you think rogues suck.  Zevran is a much better melee fighter, until late in the game when you can get Leli to catch up with some babysitting.

[Addai]

jsachun wrote...

Also Arrow of Slaying would one hit wonder most rogue builds anyway. 

What?  An arrow is far more likely to hit a warrior than a rogue with high defense.  I've never, ever, ever had an arrow take down my rogue, whether an arrow of slaying or any other kind.

[Sloth Of Doom]

Addai67 wrote...

jsachun wrote...

Also Arrow of Slaying would one hit wonder most rogue builds anyway. 

What?  An arrow is far more likely to hit a warrior than a rogue with high defense.  I've never, ever, ever had an arrow take down my rogue, whether an arrow of slaying or any other kind.

This.


Because defense > hitpoints, hands down.   I will take a 50 dex rogue over a 50 con fighter any day.

[MajorStranger]

Rouges? Grammar fail dude. That's Rogue you nimrod!

[Jose Ramirez]

uhm, for what it's worth, since y'all giving these cats such a rave review...i think i will experiment with them as they should be used in the upcoming expansion. though, personally, i wil always remain more martial than artfull. i'm gonna be the poster child for bad grammar and frontal assualt of ferelden! hahahahaha

[Elanareon]

I thought rogues were very overpowered. Excluding mages of course, which are designed to be overpowered.

[Curlain]

 The Rouge rules all 

[MajorStranger]

Is everyone here buch of dimwit retarded? It's called Rogue. Rouge is a color in french (Red if you ask)

[Caozen]

MajorStranger wrote...

Is everyone here buch of dimwit retarded? It's called Rogue. Rouge is a color in french (Red if you ask)

Astonishing! 

[Curlain]

MajorStranger wrote...

Is everyone here buch of dimwit retarded? It's called Rogue. Rouge is a color in french (Red if you ask)

Really, I never knew this fact, thanks for pointing it out, oh knowing one 

(just in case you did miss it, which is possible given your reaction to most of the posters on this thread, that was sarcasm)

[Wretched Gnu]

The OP seems to have missed the point of the rogue. The rogue has a much broader array of skills -- for people interested in their tactical possibilities -- which has the necessary trade-off that you have to provide more skill and attention to make him a powerhouse. 

In my first game (as a mage), I remember Leliana being my most valuable companion, both within and without combat.

I'm playing a new game as a rogue and loving it. It's been much more interesting and challenging (on hard) than my mage was.

Modifié par Wretched Gnu, 27 février 2010 - 10:05 .

[Masticetobbacco]

warriors do more damage in melee and have more armour



rogues have....



uh



stealth for some crits and to **** out, and can pick locks

[SurrealSadi]

I love rogues... I'm on my 3rd playthrough, 2nd as a rogue. I really need to do other Origins than Dalish Elf... DW rogues kill things so quickly, and I can even spare some point for deft hands to open locks

[Anonymouswizard]

 For me, mages are the most effective, then rogues, then warriors.
However, my order of preference goes mage, warrior, rogue. I just like those who can manipulate the world with their mind, and then I'll play the virtuous paladin type.
I've got 1 mage playthrough done, with a mage, a warrior, and a rogue in the playthrough. I have seen that rogues do more damage than warriors, but zevren isn't the best rogue by a long shot, due to the fact he is bad at opening locks.
and for those who want inspiration for a modded rouge class: http://www.giantitp....ad.php?t=10445.
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[Anonymouswizard]

 For me, mages are the most effective, then rogues, then warriors.
However, my order of preference goes mage, warrior, rogue. I just like those who can manipulate the world with their mind, and then I'll play the virtuous paladin type.
I've got 1 mage playthrough done, with a mage, a warrior, and a rogue in the playthrough. I have seen that rogues do more damage than warriors, but zevren isn't the best rogue by a long shot, due to the fact he is bad at opening locks.
and for those who want inspiration for a modded rouge class: http://www.giantitp....ad.php?t=10445.
Spank attack!
(Note, the creator of this post holds no responsability for anything resulting from people looking at the rouge class. He is content to just SNEAK ATTACK!)

Modifié par Anonymouswizard, 27 février 2010 - 11:53 .

[Schurge]

Umm... the Rogues (THATS THE CORRECT SPELLING!!) are much more versatile than the warriors... you can use more strategy, and have a wider range of ways to fight....

Now, I am not complaining about the warriors... I love them... but... some comparison...

Warrior:
- Sword and Board - conserve stamina, get hit, occassionally knock-down/taunt.
- Dual Wield - Positioning and hitting things... conserve stamina.
- Bow - shoot stuff (I havnt done this).
- Great Sword - Hit things, conserve stamina.

And with the warrior, as my experience has been, you are locked into one playstyle (though you have a few options) purely based on the weapon you choose.

Rogue:
- Default...
..A.)Stealth
..B.) CC / debuffs.
- Dual Wield - Same as Warrior, but add stealth and cc into the mix.
- Archer - Shoot stuff, add stealth and cc.

With the rogue you can mix everything, you can go all over the place... and its sub-classes are much more varied.

I play a sword 'n' board Champion/brawler type DPS hybrid... not alot I can do with him... but I like him (I do have a duelist though).

Note: Of course this is all just an over-simplification... but so was your original post. My answer to you is, Rogues do not suck (though their armor graphics sure as hell do).

EDIT: My Leliana as a non-stealth melee preforms very well, though I have to manually position her... she is better than when I had used her as an archer... but I am 99% sure I was doing her as an archer wrong.

Modifié par Schurge, 28 février 2010 - 12:19 .

[Addai]

Masticetobbacco wrote...

warriors do more damage in melee and have more armour

rogues have....

uh

stealth for some crits and to **** out, and can pick locks

Yet another "educated" opinion on the class.

Stealth really is gravy.  The main advantage of rogues in my view is high DPS  + high critical chance rate + high armor penetration (through cunning) + high defense for durability.  In short, they blow warriors out of the water.

Now, granted, I too find Sten's 2H sweep and Alistair's shield bash to be sexy and they can do a lot of damage in one hit- IF they don't miss, and IF my rogue hasn't already killed the mark because they're so slow.  It just isn't all that, not when it comes to mowing through the mobs that the game presents to you.

Here's another illustration:  The duel with *spoiler removed*.  *A certain NPC* is a warrior class.  Anyone who tells me that they would rather put a warrior up against him rather than a rogue or mage... I will LOL in your general direction.

Modifié par Addai67, 28 février 2010 - 01:28 .

[Caozen]

The only thing preventing Rogues from flat-out owning Warriors in every respect is the attribute and talent distribution required to make a Rogue work the way you wish. Warriors are exceptionally simple. Just fill out your preferred specialization, weapon, and baseline warrior trees to max. The order in which you do them is debatable - whichever way you go, you'll have enough points to do this without cheating.



Rogues have to constantly shift their priority on which talents they want first based on their gameplay style. This is particularly noticeable at the beginning, where in certain cases it's best to just skip levels altogether and wait until you hit the required level to obtain the most proficient skills first. This, combined with the many ways you can go about making your Rogue godly in combat means it's easy for someone who isn't very good with them to screw up. Leliana, for example, has the crappiest stats in all of Ferelden for a Rogue of any role. Her distribution between strength, dexterity, and cunning makes it hard for you to dig her into any mentionable niche. She's almost guaranteed to have mediocre stats if you're not focusing on one attribute by itself. Some people take this as evidence of rogues failing. This is poppycock.



You want a good rogue? You go full on whatever stat you think will improve your damage. Cunning, strength, or dexterity - this is little about statistics and more about preference. The thing is, if Rogues had no limit to what their attribute values could be, they'd be far beyond the Warrior in potential if they had the same exception of unlimited attributes. High enough strength to wear the best armor combined with the normally high dexterity or cunning stat required of a rogue is far better than some fighter with all the points that rogue spent put in strength.

[Jose Ramirez]

i pulled my reserve of awakening, gonna only rent it. road biking season is coming, wonder con 2010 with virginia hey from farscape. gonna use that money for gas to SF.

[AlanC9]

Jose, did you actually think that was worth posting?

[Jose Ramirez]

im' not sure what you are refering too, the original post or the last post. if you are refering to the last post, yes..it matters to me. not to anyone else, i suppose. perhaps in hope to giving closure to this post, i'm quite dramatic.