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[Janni-in-VA]

I tend to "round out" my characters' stats as I level them up, so everyone gets enough Strength and Constitution to stay on their feet and do some damage, even mages. Rogues, I pump up Dexterity and Cunning. I add a few points to Magic as the whim takes me. For my play style, it just doesn't pay to ignore two or three stats for the sake of one or two. But, I don't power game; I'm not going to solo a rogue on Nightmare, so I handle my character builds differently.

[AnnaBananaBamBamBoo]

Would someone from Bioware please do a Monty Python and deem this thread ... SILLY!  
 
I absolutely do not know what the original poster is talking about but I think the purpose was simply to stir the pot.  With a 5 to 6 page thread I think the purpose has been accomplished.  
 
However, YES the rogue is a light warrior, did they ever state they are any other than that? What makes rogues so special is they're good at all trades but a master of none (with the exception of locks and stealing and dirty fighting... WOW you can keep adding to the list w.r.t. their exclusivity so I don't think the original poster has any grounds).  I would like to see further specialization w.r.t. Rangers, for example let them have the survival ability only.  This would give them a little more exclusivity.

Modifié par AnnaBananaBamBamBoo, 01 mars 2010 - 05:19 .

[kyles3]

i suck playing at playing backstabby rogue. i spend more time running away from enemies while my stuns are on cooldown than i do swinging daggers, i forget to use poisons and grenades, and i'm too lazy to stealth and position my party.

i like hitting things, especially with a big hammer. warrior class 4eva

Modifié par kyles3, 01 mars 2010 - 05:21 .

[AnnaBananaBamBamBoo]

Janni-in-VA wrote...

I tend to "round out" my characters' stats as I level them up, so everyone gets enough Strength and Constitution to stay on their feet and do some damage, even mages. Rogues, I pump up Dexterity and Cunning. I add a few points to Magic as the whim takes me. For my play style, it just doesn't pay to ignore two or three stats for the sake of one or two. But, I don't power game; I'm not going to solo a rogue on Nightmare, so I handle my character builds differently.

  
 
I do the same except every 3rd levelling up I'll round out other impertinent but useful unrelated class stats. For example I give my rogue PC strength, willpower and constitution every 3rd level-up instead of dexterity and cunning.  With 2 out of 3 level-ups used to address class related stats and 3 being an odd number to spread between 2 stats, I'll give 2 to dexterity every other round and the same with cunning.

Modifié par AnnaBananaBamBamBoo, 01 mars 2010 - 06:03 .

[Sylixe]

Jose Ramirez wrote...

i didn't find rouges as a class very ...usefull, they are a watered down warrior, it seems. the only thing they are good for, in my opinion, is to open doors and chests...i'd say that a warrior just bash in the door or crate...any thoughts...

I believe you have played just one to many MMO rogues.  Rogues are not supposed to be a max DPS class in a true RPG.  they are the masters of stealth and all manner of devices.  The rogue in DAO does exactly what an RPG rogue is supposed to do.  Feel fortunate you can scout out entire areas with mobs inside them and retain your stealth.

[orpheus333]

It seems no-one uses traps, poisons, or bombs. When i say no-one i mean the OP.

[Inabsentia]

outlaworacle wrote...

I'm literally paralyzed by the number of potential responses at my disposal.

I... don't know what to say.

Yes, they should totally eliminate this class because you blow at playing it. Well thought out... you sure you didn't nick this idea from a Harvard grad?

Why not explaining some of those potential responses you have, instead of contributing with nothing making fun? If your that smart it would be easy for you to explain in just a few sentences

[Inabsentia]

outlaworacle wrote...

I'm literally paralyzed by the number of potential responses at my disposal.

I... don't know what to say.

Yes, they should totally eliminate this class because you blow at playing it. Well thought out... you sure you didn't nick this idea from a Harvard grad?

Why not explaining some of those potential responses you have, instead of contributing with nothing making fun? If your that smart it would be easy for you to explain in just a few sentences

[Bullets McDeath]

Um, well you're a little late to the party but considering your name that's highly appropriate. You might have noticed I did choose a potential response and went with it. Sorry if I let you down there.

[Addai]

jsachun wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

I've played DW warriors, too, and the rogue still gets the easy button on that scene.  You do not have the armor penetration, critical chance or lethality in your swings that a rogue has.

All you need is a sword with armor penetration bonus. Keening Blade & Oathkeeper just to name a few. Besides DW warriors don't need positioning to take down masses of enemies. The rogues do & that's the biggest disadvantage that DW rogues have.

Rogues don't "need" positioning, either.  It's just frosting on the cake to get a backstab.  Warriors do get better weapons in vanilla game, to be sure (where's our Starfang dagger?!), but I think they're compensating for the fact that warriors suck comparatively without good weapons to make them look tough.

Modifié par Addai67, 01 mars 2010 - 11:06 .

[Caozen]

Addai67 wrote...

Rogues don't "need" positioning, either.  It's just frosting on the cake to get a backstab.  Warriors do get better weapons in vanilla game, to be sure (where's our Starfang dagger?!), but I think they're compensating for the fact that warriors suck comparatively without good weapons to make them look tough.

Backstabs are much easier to pull-off than some might think. With the abundant amount of stuns and decapacitations you have at your disposal mid to late game (the portion which most people draw their comparisons from.), you'd be hitting more backstabs than normal hits. Not to mention the lack of effort required to get around an enemy should you not have these, anyway.

While they're fully capable of dealing damage without it, backstabs really are the better half of the class uniqueness. It'd be substantially counter-productive not to move your character two inches to the right or left to get into flanking range, or pull off a simple Riposte.

[Destrier77]

Rogues rock (check me out)



I would say though that they need other characters, like mages need others. But warriors dont need anyone. Since good old D & D warriors are the tougher solo types and I love my warriors in the party. Im not big headed enough to think i could cope without them getting everyones attention.



So big hug to all the warriors out their i love ya if no one else does!!

[StartatZero]

You have no idea what you're talking about, if you try to play it as a tanking warrior it's obviously not going to feel very useful will it? The rogue class is very fun and plenty useful if you play it right.

Edit: And it's ROGUE damn it!

Modifié par StartatZero, 02 mars 2010 - 01:30 .

[jwmalone]

Your crazy a maxed out cunning rouge does way more damage than a warrior could ever dream of doing. For one with maxed out cun your getting 100% armor piercing. You gotta look at your DPS, how much damage can a rouge do over a period of time vs a warrior. The answer it a metric ****-ton

Your attack speed is based off your dex and the types of weapons your using. If your using two daggers your going to attack fast in-between skills. Also with skills like coupe de grace a rouge doesn't need to get behind the enemy you can stun lock him. Also equip both your daggers with the strongest paralyze runes you can get. Nothing better than stabbing a high dragon when he's about to grab you to watch him froze in mid attack. Bada bing bada boom sucka.

On top of that if your using a rouge without poisons or bombs your wrong! I can solo the entire game with a well specked rouge. Put just enough strength on him to wear medium armor and he will tank better than any warrior, why because he CANT be hit. Evasion + Duelist specs ownage. Warriors take notes Rouges will pwn you and they laugh on the inside with they kick you below the belt.

Modifié par jwmalone, 02 mars 2010 - 01:33 .

[yasuraka.hakkyou]

jwmalone wrote...

Your crazy a maxed out cunning rogue does way more damage than a warrior could ever dream of doing. For one with maxed out cun your getting 100% armor piercing. You gotta look at your DPS, how much damage can a rogue do over a period of time vs a warrior. The answer it a metric ****-ton

Your attack speed is based off your dex and the types of weapons your using. If your using two daggers your going to attack fast in-between skills. Also with skills like coupe de grace a rogue doesn't need to get behind the enemy you can stun lock him. Also equip both your daggers with the strongest paralyze runes you can get. Nothing better than stabbing a high dragon when he's about to grab you to watch him froze in mid attack. Bada bing bada boom sucka.

On top of that if your using a rogue without poisons or bombs your wrong! I can solo the entire game with a well specked rogue. Put just enough strength on him to wear medium armor and he will tank better than any warrior, why because he CANT be hit. Evasion + Duelist specs ownage. Warriors take notes rogues will pwn you and they laugh on the inside with they kick you below the belt.

pretty much this, although I haven't a) gotten a rogue to higher levels, and haven't gone the really high cunning route.

and emphasis on spelling is obviously mine.

[Dark Lilith]

I think they're an excellent class with great potential.Remember they're not hack and slash characters and you'll find them very good. I love my rogues of both elven and human.

[GEWill]

Jose Ramirez wrote...

i didn't find rouges as a class very ...usefull, they are a watered down warrior, it seems. the only thing they are good for, in my opinion, is to open doors and chests...i'd say that a warrior just bash in the door or crate...any thoughts...

I am going to assume you were drunk when you created this thread.

[Amladrik]

I find it hard to play as my dwarfen archer :/... he's always the last to get lvl up and its like he never be the killing shot... And btw can i get that 200 dmg + trophy with the arrow of slaying skill?

[Blue_dodo]

David Gaider wrote...

Look at it this way: at least your foes will think your complexion is fabulous.

I love playing as a rogue, nothing liking going stealth scouting, setting traps and finally targetting and kiliing that stupid annoying mage who uses CoC and curse of mortality.

that said I am rather unhappy with how limited  archer are in option, half the main skills are useless,  bows are weak and crossbows are worthless, cant apply runes,yes there are arrows but they are week and have no side effect (e.g arrows of frost freeze) and finally no archery specialization...looks to be the same in awakening( I play on xbox btw).


otherwise they are awesome

[traversc]

yasuraka.hakkyou wrote...

jwmalone wrote...

Your crazy a maxed out cunning rogue does way more damage than a warrior could ever dream of doing. For one with maxed out cun your getting 100% armor piercing. You gotta look at your DPS, how much damage can a rogue do over a period of time vs a warrior. The answer it a metric ****-ton

Your attack speed is based off your dex and the types of weapons your using. If your using two daggers your going to attack fast in-between skills. Also with skills like coupe de grace a rogue doesn't need to get behind the enemy you can stun lock him. Also equip both your daggers with the strongest paralyze runes you can get. Nothing better than stabbing a high dragon when he's about to grab you to watch him froze in mid attack. Bada bing bada boom sucka.

On top of that if your using a rogue without poisons or bombs your wrong! I can solo the entire game with a well specked rogue. Put just enough strength on him to wear medium armor and he will tank better than any warrior, why because he CANT be hit. Evasion + Duelist specs ownage. Warriors take notes rogues will pwn you and they laugh on the inside with they kick you below the belt.

pretty much this, although I haven't a) gotten a rogue to higher levels, and haven't gone the really high cunning route.

and emphasis on spelling is obviously mine.

Not this.  While I definitely agree that rogues are amazing DPS machines, not for the reasons you stated, bc you really have no idea what you're talking about. 

1) "Your attack speed is based off your dex"

Flat out wrong. 

2) " Evasion + Duelist specs ownage. "

Evasion is the absoultely WORST talent possible.  Its effect is actually HARMFUL.  Even if I maxed out every other talent in every other tree, I would not take it, it is that bad.  Also, duelist is probably the WORST spec for a bstab rogue, not to mention the attack/defense bonus is superseded by warrior's "rally"  (thus, not being an argument in favor of rogue.) 

3) "On top of that if your using a rogue without poisons or bombs your wrong! I can solo the entire game with a well specked rogue."

A well specced warrior or mage can solo the game, so that a rogue can do it is not an argument in favor of the rogue. Also, please don't try to tell others how to play the game.

Modifié par traversc, 03 mars 2010 - 09:27 .

[Viglin]

So...how many "Hell yeahs" did the Op score?

[GEWill]

Amladrik wrote...
 can i get that 200 dmg + trophy with the arrow of slaying skill?

Yes. The highest I have seen is 422 with Arrow of Slaying and that was with Leliana. I personally have never played as an Archer though, but all my Lelliana's have gone over the 300+ in each playthrough.

[Blue_dodo]

Not this.  While I definitely agree that rogues are amazing DPS machines, not for the reasons you stated, bc you really have no idea what you're talking about. 

1) "Your attack speed is based off your dex"

Flat out wrong. 

2) " Evasion + Duelist specs ownage. "

Evasion is the absoultely WORST talent possible.  Its effect is actually HARMFUL.  Even if I maxed out every other talent in every other tree, I would not take it, it is that bad.  Also, duelist is probably the WORST spec for a bstab rogue, not to mention the attack/defense bonus is superseded by warrior's "rally"  (thus, not being an argument in favor of rogue.) 

3) "On top of that if your using a rogue without poisons or bombs your wrong! I can solo the entire game with a well specked rogue."

A well specced warrior or mage can solo the game, so that a rogue can do it is not an argument in favor of the rogue. Also, please don't try to tell others how to play the game.

actually YOU are the one who is telling people how to play the game, all of you are ,but thats okey it's rather common on this forum<_<

also I  find assasin/duelist to be  well, almost scary, I mean pin point strike for a short time turns all hits into criticals,exploit weaknesses add cunning scores to to back stab damage  add death dealer and roses thorn (if you can some how find a way to afford it) and you got a killer.

also traps and posions are really useful to set up /debelate your foes, bombs help for large groups (watch you allies though !)

Modifié par Blue_dodo, 03 mars 2010 - 11:21 .