Tali does seem to have a talent for finding trouble, but I don't think I'd--quite--put her in the damsel-in-distress thing.
In ME1, she's in two bad situations. She gets out of one on her own (gets shot; runs to clinic). The second is the meeting with the supposed shadowbroker that goes bad. However, she is holding her own when Shepard and Co. show up and blast the assassins into bloody confetti. I mean, chucking a grenade at salarian assassins isn't exactly waiting to be rescued.
In ME2, the only classic rescue would probably be Haestrom. She's trapped and if Shepard hadn't shown up when he did it probably wouldn't have ended well. Her issues with the Admiralty were pretty much a setup from the getgo. Shepard does help her resolve this situation, but even he's roped into it by Shala'Raan's actions.
The real bottom line is Shepard is just a helpful kind of guy. When ANY of his team members gets into trouble, he's there to help. It's just the kind of guy he is. Tali is a bit of a special case because of past history and the LI thing, but you could say the same for Garrus with a femShep playthrough.
Which female character do you think is the biggest damsel in distress? (both ME1 and ME2)
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 07:15
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Decurian wrote...
In ME1, she's in two bad situations. She gets out of one on her own (gets shot; runs to clinic). The second is the meeting with the supposed shadowbroker that goes bad. However, she is holding her own when Shepard and Co. show up and blast the assassins into bloody confetti. I mean, chucking a grenade at salarian assassins isn't exactly waiting to be rescued.
But if you don't show up in time, she dies. Which make me wonder how she mangaed to lose to two clumsy salarians and a Turian with a melting face.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 07:16
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Everyone.
Everyone always needs rescuing and they all need Shepard to do it.
Everyone always needs rescuing and they all need Shepard to do it.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 07:28
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I can not see how Tali can be considered a Damsel-In-Distress. Yeah, she gets in these bad situations, but she never cries out that she needs help from Shepard. Even the whole trial was a surprise to both Tali and Shepard. I mean, is she being targeted like this because she's female? I don't get it.
Don't forget that whenever Tali or any other member are teamed up with Shepard, they kick ass. They don't look like they need help.
Oh, and last time I checked, the whole freakin' galaxy requires Shepard's help. If Shepard wasn't born, the universe would be Reaper chow by now.
Don't forget that whenever Tali or any other member are teamed up with Shepard, they kick ass. They don't look like they need help.
Oh, and last time I checked, the whole freakin' galaxy requires Shepard's help. If Shepard wasn't born, the universe would be Reaper chow by now.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 07:49
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I wouldn't say Tali is a damsel-in-distress. Her personality, her attitude towards things dictates the opposite in fact. She seems quite capable of handling herself, just gets into some bad situations. But she never acts pathetic, or weak.
Liara, in ME1...giant yes. Her headaches, her cowering and sniveling when you rescue her, were all ridiculous. Only one of my Shepards ever romanced her just because I managed near the end of ME1 to get over (most of) my disgust.
Liara, in ME1...giant yes. Her headaches, her cowering and sniveling when you rescue her, were all ridiculous. Only one of my Shepards ever romanced her just because I managed near the end of ME1 to get over (most of) my disgust.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 07:49
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Er. Double post...
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 08:14
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^ Yes definitely Liara in the first game.
I don't see how Ashley qualifies- she is willing to fight to the death and wouldn't cry about it.
I don't see how Ashley qualifies- she is willing to fight to the death and wouldn't cry about it.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 08:23
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Landline wrote...
Everyone.
Everyone always needs rescuing and they all need Shepard to do it.
This.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 08:29
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Garrus.
Yes it seems odd, but think about how much of a drama queen he is? He's always crying about someone who screwed him over and then it's UP TO YOU to help him solve his problems. Don't get me wrong, he's my Mass Effect 1/2 BFF, but come on Garrus, stop being such a drama queen! It would not be that bad mind you, if he would open up and talk to you about his troubles and emotions, but every time I try he tells me "not now, calibrations".
Yes it seems odd, but think about how much of a drama queen he is? He's always crying about someone who screwed him over and then it's UP TO YOU to help him solve his problems. Don't get me wrong, he's my Mass Effect 1/2 BFF, but come on Garrus, stop being such a drama queen! It would not be that bad mind you, if he would open up and talk to you about his troubles and emotions, but every time I try he tells me "not now, calibrations".
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 08:37
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Liara. She always seems to need my help.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 08:37
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Vaenier wrote...
Liara. She was stuck all alone in a bubble inside a volcano surrounded by Geth on an abandoned planet in a deserted star cluster on the edge of the galaxy. Doesnt get much more in trouble...
Just say that whole thing without taking a breath
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 09:10
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Liara
When she is distress she needs Shepard to take care of it all. Like in Therum she couldn't do anything, now on Illium she can't do anything and needs Shepard to help her out again.
And she was always feeling weak after every single mission.
When she is distress she needs Shepard to take care of it all. Like in Therum she couldn't do anything, now on Illium she can't do anything and needs Shepard to help her out again.
And she was always feeling weak after every single mission.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 09:15
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Liara was the definitive damsel in distress in ME1. Though leaving her until last is way more fun than it should be.
As for ME2, I'd have to say Tali, though not entirely so and she even makes a joke about it herself. Tali seems less a damsel in distress and more like a friend in a bad spot.
As for ME2, I'd have to say Tali, though not entirely so and she even makes a joke about it herself. Tali seems less a damsel in distress and more like a friend in a bad spot.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 09:19
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Well if the turian councilor and udina would wear a wig and a pink sundress I'd say those two big crybabies were the BIGGEST damsels that needed saving in both games - even though they didn't know it.
All that aside, Liara for ME1 and Tali for ME2.
All that aside, Liara for ME1 and Tali for ME2.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 09:20
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Landline wrote...
Everyone.
Everyone always needs rescuing and they all need Shepard to do it.
qft
Seems to be a BW companion formula (in most of their games), companions come with baggage... lots of baggage. Reason I loved the Black Whirlwind, he new his role and carried it out well... also a good drinking buddy.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 09:20
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Liara - She's all innocent and Naive and needs rescuing in ME 1.
In ME 2 her losing Shepard and delving in to the world of an Information Broker have transformed her in to something Darker, and she's still alone.
Just look at what happened with her receptionist.
In ME 2 her losing Shepard and delving in to the world of an Information Broker have transformed her in to something Darker, and she's still alone.
Just look at what happened with her receptionist.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 09:24
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ME1: Liara
ME2: Tali
ME2: Tali
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 09:37
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ME1 Liara
As for Tali in ME2, I wouldn't say she is necessarily a damsel in distress, more a doormat!
I really like Tali, but unfortunately this is part of her character I cannot stand.
As for Tali in ME2, I wouldn't say she is necessarily a damsel in distress, more a doormat!
I really like Tali, but unfortunately this is part of her character I cannot stand.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 09:43
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Tali is incompetent as a leader, indecisive, and rather hapless. Over her head. She should have never been part of the crew.
Hell, she gets two squads she leads killed in ME2 alone due to her incompetence.
She is a ball chained to the leg of my Shepard, needing looking after like a small child, because some pervs wanted to shag a chicken legged alien, and Bioware listened. Luckily, the ball can be removed permanently in ME2.
Hell, she gets two squads she leads killed in ME2 alone due to her incompetence.
She is a ball chained to the leg of my Shepard, needing looking after like a small child, because some pervs wanted to shag a chicken legged alien, and Bioware listened. Luckily, the ball can be removed permanently in ME2.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 09:48
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how you guys not saying gabby,kelly andchakwas they were kidnapped and/or watched people get turned into reaper juice thinking to themselves "OMG I'm next, I'm next I'm next" I'm surprise none of them died from a heart attack
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 10:27
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Liara, by far. The "Damsel in Distress" trope isn't defined technically by the saving of the person, but by their personality and actions in and around that saving. Are they trying to save themselves and you just swoop in and give them that final leg up? Then they aren't a Damsel in Distress.
You have to bail Tali out of some situations, but she always seemed like a person that got themselves into odds they just couldn't quite handle. Kind of like an adventurous child that likes to climb trees they aren't entirely able to get down from. I always had a big sibling attitude about it, like you're always rescuing them from danger, but it's not because they're helpless, it's because they're growing up. When you rescue her both times in ME1 and 2, she's actually fighting to get free as you get to her, so you know she wasn't just sitting around waiting to be rescued.
An entire major quest around the first game was just rescuing Liara from imprisonment in classic fairy tale fashion while she just kinda waits there for you. It's only compounded by the fact that she plays the part of the damsel even after rescue. Every single time everyone got together to discuss the latest findings, she had to take a nap after doing her little mind meld thing because it's just so exhausting for her. And she shamelessly throws herself at Shepard like she knows that she'd be totally helpless without them. She just seems a very meek and weak willed character in general and requires Shepard next to her to stand her up. Which is why her character change in ME2 didn't bother me in the slightest. People see it as this huge 180 degree turn of personality, but it's not really. She was always an obsessive person, first with the Protheans then with Shepard. Now she's obsessed with the Shadow Broker.
inb4 flames.
You have to bail Tali out of some situations, but she always seemed like a person that got themselves into odds they just couldn't quite handle. Kind of like an adventurous child that likes to climb trees they aren't entirely able to get down from. I always had a big sibling attitude about it, like you're always rescuing them from danger, but it's not because they're helpless, it's because they're growing up. When you rescue her both times in ME1 and 2, she's actually fighting to get free as you get to her, so you know she wasn't just sitting around waiting to be rescued.
An entire major quest around the first game was just rescuing Liara from imprisonment in classic fairy tale fashion while she just kinda waits there for you. It's only compounded by the fact that she plays the part of the damsel even after rescue. Every single time everyone got together to discuss the latest findings, she had to take a nap after doing her little mind meld thing because it's just so exhausting for her. And she shamelessly throws herself at Shepard like she knows that she'd be totally helpless without them. She just seems a very meek and weak willed character in general and requires Shepard next to her to stand her up. Which is why her character change in ME2 didn't bother me in the slightest. People see it as this huge 180 degree turn of personality, but it's not really. She was always an obsessive person, first with the Protheans then with Shepard. Now she's obsessed with the Shadow Broker.
inb4 flames.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 10:28
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...except she's not helpless. Every time she needs saving, she's already fighting the overwhelming odds herself, not sitting there like a lemon. Liara's far more of a damsel.Mox Ruuga wrote...
Tali is the only damsel in distress.
Every time Shepard meets her, her ass needs saving. Then there's the mess with the trial.
I guess her neediness and helplessness is part of her appeal to her... fans?
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 10:35
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For number of instances when she had to be saved
- Tali. As much as I like her, her ability to get into trouble is extraordinary
For the first meeting
- Liara. Trapped into a bubble, completely helpless. At least Tali tried to get herself out of trouble=)
And last but not the least
- Kelly. No combat skills, no ability to help herself at all. Oh, and she is sooooo grateful for the rescue!
- Tali. As much as I like her, her ability to get into trouble is extraordinary
For the first meeting
- Liara. Trapped into a bubble, completely helpless. At least Tali tried to get herself out of trouble=)
And last but not the least
- Kelly. No combat skills, no ability to help herself at all. Oh, and she is sooooo grateful for the rescue!
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 10:37
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SurfaceBeneath wrote...
Liara, by far. The "Damsel in Distress" trope isn't defined technically by the saving of the person, but by their personality and actions in and around that saving. Are they trying to save themselves and you just swoop in and give them that final leg up? Then they aren't a Damsel in Distress.
You have to bail Tali out of some situations, but she always seemed like a person that got themselves into odds they just couldn't quite handle. Kind of like an adventurous child that likes to climb trees they aren't entirely able to get down from. I always had a big sibling attitude about it, like you're always rescuing them from danger, but it's not because they're helpless, it's because they're growing up. When you rescue her both times in ME1 and 2, she's actually fighting to get free as you get to her, so you know she wasn't just sitting around waiting to be rescued.
An entire major quest around the first game was just rescuing Liara from imprisonment in classic fairy tale fashion while she just kinda waits there for you. It's only compounded by the fact that she plays the part of the damsel even after rescue. Every single time everyone got together to discuss the latest findings, she had to take a nap after doing her little mind meld thing because it's just so exhausting for her. And she shamelessly throws herself at Shepard like she knows that she'd be totally helpless without them. She just seems a very meek and weak willed character in general and requires Shepard next to her to stand her up. Which is why her character change in ME2 didn't bother me in the slightest. People see it as this huge 180 degree turn of personality, but it's not really. She was always an obsessive person, first with the Protheans then with Shepard. Now she's obsessed with the Shadow Broker.
inb4 flames.
Good observation
