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I meantion this in my Liara post, but it occurs to me that it's a seperate topic.

Several people have said that the ME 1 LIs deserve a "better" payoff in ME 3 because other there was no point in keeping them out of ME2. I think this is nonsense. No Bioware character is ever "just" a LI. Ashley, Kaidan, and Liara have great things planned for them. The devs have essentially said they were sidelined in 2 so they could be in 3. They'll most likely be just as important as they were in the fist game, if not more so. This has no bearing on a romantic arc.

What's my point? I didn't connect with any of them as LIs (yes, I played ME first). I connected in spades with Garrus, Thane, and Miranda. I want the same level of romance (not plot) content with them, whether that be anything from a "Faithful" achievement if you only romance one person in the trilogy to dialogue and cutscenes. Please, Bioware, don't assume that they were just flings or temptation. My Sheps fell in love.

Modifié par jtav, 27 février 2010 - 02:12 .


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I have to agree. This sense of entitlement that people looking at Mass Effect with "nostalgia goggles" have is absurd. So, because the Tali romance was cut out of ME1, I shouldn't get as nice a payoff because I romanced her in ME2 instead of sticking with Liara? I mean, there should definitely be a significant reward for sticking with the same love interest for all three games, but I think there should also be a significant reward for sticking with an ME2 love interest in ME3.

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Your thread title makes no sense. please fix.
Agree with OP. LIs keep getting short end of stick. All should be given opertunity to flourish in ME3.

Modifié par Vaenier, 27 février 2010 - 02:10 .


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Kyria Nyriese

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While I was true to Kaidan in my play throughs, I agree with you on this. I don't think any of the LIs should be treated differently in ME 3, I think they all should have important parts to play.

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Vaenier wrote...

Your thread title makes no sense. please fix.
Agree with OP. LIs keep getting short end of stick. All should be given opertunity to flourish in ME3.


Thanks. Fixed.

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Schneidend wrote...

I have to agree. This sense of entitlement that people looking at Mass Effect with "nostalgia goggles" have is absurd. So, because the Tali romance was cut out of ME1, I shouldn't get as nice a payoff because I romanced her in ME2 instead of sticking with Liara? I mean, there should definitely be a significant reward for sticking with the same love interest for all three games, but I think there should also be a significant reward for sticking with an ME2 love interest in ME3.


Oh, I agree. The arguments I've seen so far seem to boil down to "because I was unhappy with my chosen character's role, everyone else should get screwed." (I'd welcome the chance to debate other arguments) Never mind that what most fans of the ME2 LIs want is for every to get two games worth of development.

While I was true to Kaidan in my play throughs, I agree with you on
this. I don't think any of the LIs should be treated differently in ME
3, I think they all should have important parts to play.


The only exception might be Thane, but we knew the emotional risks going in with that one.

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I'll be pissed if ANY of the LI's don't get equal standing... just my 2 cents

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Well just remember Tali will probably die from an infection.

That's right Talimancers, BioWare's ultimate revenge for your demands: Tali will die if you romance her! Muahaha!

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The Angry One wrote...

Well just remember Tali will probably die from an infection.
That's right Talimancers, BioWare's ultimate revenge for your demands: Tali will die if you romance her! Muahaha!


i like the way you think.

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The Angry One wrote...

Well just remember Tali will probably die from an infection.
That's right Talimancers, BioWare's ultimate revenge for your demands: Tali will die if you romance her! Muahaha!


No she won't she just gets sick. Go have fun with your Carth wannabe.

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I totally disagree because of how Ashley and Kaiden acted on Horizon they acted like 2 stuck up pricks and deserve to be completely crapped all over

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Oh and I hope My girl Miranda can pimp slap Ashley

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kraidy1117 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Well just remember Tali will probably die from an infection.
That's right Talimancers, BioWare's ultimate revenge for your demands: Tali will die if you romance her! Muahaha!


No she won't she just gets sick. Go have fun with your Carth wannabe.


You're clearly unaware about how BioWare thinks.
They ultimately respond to fan demands with ironic punishment.

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Completely agree. Everyone should get the happy ending.

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ExtremeOne wrote...

I totally disagree because of how Ashley and Kaiden acted on Horizon they acted like 2 stuck up pricks and deserve to be completely crapped all over


lmao, if bioware does it right, the ash/kaidan romance arc will be the best.

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The Angry One wrote...

Well just remember Tali will probably die from an infection.
That's right Talimancers, BioWare's ultimate revenge for your demands: Tali will die if you romance her! Muahaha!


*Yawn*

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Let's not go too far in the other direction, ExtremeOne. Not liking a character doesn't mean they should be minimized. There are plenty of posters ready to apply your logic to Miri, reemember?

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This entire thread is why we have save game editors.

Unless you're one of those filthy console peasants anyway.

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epoch_ wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

I totally disagree because of how Ashley and Kaiden acted on Horizon they acted like 2 stuck up pricks and deserve to be completely crapped all over


lmao, if bioware does it right, the ash/kaidan romance arc will be the best.

  


Like I did in ME 2 when I told Ashley to get over it this time I will end it the other way but one way or another My Male Shepard will be free of his past and go on with his relationship with Miranda 

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jtav wrote...

Several people have said that the ME 1 LIs deserve a "better" payoff in ME 3 because other there was no point in keeping them out of ME2. I think this is nonsense. No Bioware character is ever "just" a LI. Ashley, Kaidan, and Liara have great things planned for them. The devs have essentially said they were sidelined in 2 so they could be in 3. They'll most likely be just as important as they were in the fist game, if not more so. This has no bearing on a romantic arc.

What's my point? I didn't connect with any of them as LIs (yes, I played ME first). I connected in spades with Garrus, Thane, and Miranda. I want the same level of romance (not plot) content with them, whether that be anything from a "Faithful" achievement if you only romance one person in the trilogy to dialogue and cutscenes. Please, Bioware, don't assume that they were just flings or temptation. My Sheps fell in love.


Let me preface this with an actual real response instead of my usual sarcastic and snide comments.  Then I'll get to those. :P

I agree with you.  Seeing your favorite character get thrown into a crappy cameo role is about the worst thing BW could do the player's emotional engagement to the game.  It clearly ruined they entire experience of ME2 for me personally.  Seeing a character you developed an emotional attachment to go through a transformation to the point that there is very little of the character you originally were introduced to left is about the biggest letdown you can get coming into a follow up to a game. 

I really wouldn't want that to happen to anyone's favorite character even if I personally do not like said character.

That said, I do think the fans of the ME1 LI's who stayed faithful do deserve some sort of payoff.  That's not to say the ME2 LI fans should not get a good ending as well, but not the same kind of ending as someone who has stayed with the same LI through all 3 games.  Part of that is to make up for the fact that our 3 act story is now missing its second chapter and part of that is to represent the deeper emotional attachment Shepard would need to of had to stay with that same character after the crap BW pulled on the characters in ME2.  I think it makes sense storywise that a faithful Shep clearly has a deeper emotional attachment to those characters after all they have been through.

I'd also like to see it just to see BW make good on the promise they have made to the fans.  They told us there would be a big ayoff for staying faithful.  If the ME2 LI's get the same level of attention, content, and emotional conclusion then was what BW said all just a bunch of smoke blowing and half truths just to placate people?  As much as my opinion of BW as story tellers has dropped due to ME2 I'd like to seem them at least save a little bit of face by at making good on this promise.

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Thank you for the respectful response. I disagree slightly, obviously, I think any Shep who is monogamous should get the same quality of payoff. Admittedly, I'm biased because I'm playing through ME again with an eye to ME2 and am making a deliberate decision not to romance anyone. Also, forgive me, but we were never promised a three act love story. As it stands now, the best any of us can hope for is a two act love story (2.1 if you had a romance in ME) But everyone should get an equally strong second act.



As a side note, I really believe you'll have the option to help Liara stop turning into Benezia. Keep faith.