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[Bullets McDeath]

Low strength warriors?
High strength rogues?

Is it meant to be an armor type that just gets outpaced and eventually falls away the higher you level up? I understand the idea is to trade less armor for having more stamina but I've never found a reason to use a medium set (other than Ancient Elven) after, say, Lothering at the latest.

Am I just missing something?

[akselic]

Its for rogues, thats it, with the points from the fade during mage tower rogues can get close to or to 20str which enables them to use medium armor, which btw includes the best chestpiece and the best helm for a melee dps character in the game (though the helm is from DLC but still).



There has been quite a lot of discussion about medium armor mostly because rogues are the only ones using that armor type, the textures are extremely boring and there's only one decent high level medium armor set, so no you aren't missing anything.

[Eragondragonrider]

I thought medium are was more for archers and light armor is for rogues. Light armor has a 20 str requirement for dragonbone where medium armor is 35 strength for dragonbone.

[Bullets McDeath]

Well that's kind of what baffles me too. What kind of rogue has 35str?! I guess maybe if you deliberately skipped Lethality and pumped Str on your rogue. But it has to be rogues, cause it sure ain't mages and the armor/stamina tradeoff is generally not going to be worth it for a warrior who can usually make up for the stamina loss with enchanted items and/or set bonuses.

[highcastle]

I use medium armor for my rogues. Even my cunning rogues can get the STR requirements with the use of some STR boosting equipment. My rogues either use Ancient Elven, Varathorn's breastplate, or Wade's Dragonskin. Wade's Dragonskin somes with plenty of stamina boosts, so it's definitely viable, plus I like the look better than the leather, which all looks the same.

[DargonBlak]

My guess would be dual wielding warriors... since they don't get the rogue bonuses for cunning, they need higher strength scores (and can deal with lower cunning scores).

Since you need high dex for dual wielding, you probably won't be able to hit the 40+ strength needed for some of the big armors (but you'd probably stretch like crazy to get into certain armors...)

no spoilers.... *sigh*

[Allison W]

It always seemed to me that it's for archer warriors before they get Master Archer and can move up to heavy armour (and in turn, archer warriors with Master Archer seems to be the target demographic for heavy armour, since melee warriors would probably be better off in massive). The DW warrior idea has merit, though, especially earlier on when you're pumping most of your points into Dexterity to get access to better talents. I don't know about endgame.

[jsachun]

It's for low & medium ranked soldiers.

[kRuton-box]

My Two Handed Weapons Warrior uses Medium Armor for low fatigue, would I be okay using Heavy on him?

[jsachun]

kRuton-box wrote...

My Two Handed Weapons Warrior uses Medium Armor for low fatigue, would I be okay using Heavy on him?

You should use Armor of Dilligence, Wade's Dragonskin or WCA. They all have will or stamina bonuses that offset fatigue & give you more stamina.

Modifié par jsachun, 27 février 2010 - 05:08 .

[Addai]

My arcane warrior uses it, though she could equip heavy armor. I just don't like the look of heavy armor on female PCs, especially little elven ones.

[KungBore]

I enjoy using it occasionally on my mage. If you've got Combat Magic active and heavy armour going you're usually looking at fatigue somewhere in the 90s, which is not ideal. Medium armour helps to keep that down a bit.

[BewareTheDrow]

I use Wade's Superior Dragonskin Armor (I think thats the name for the medium one). It works pretty well since it gives you a nice fatigue reduction. (technically negative with the full set)

[Allison W]

Addai67 wrote...

My arcane warrior uses it, though she could equip heavy armor. I just don't like the look of heavy armor on female PCs, especially little elven ones.

I don't like the look of heavy armour on the girls, either, but the medium isn't much better. The massive armour is the only stuff I can find without boobcups.

[BlackVader]

The main problem are the crappy base-stats of medium armor. A T7 medium chest armor has only 1,6 armor more than a T7 light chest armor, but it has almost FOUR times the fatigue and requires 70% higher strength. And if you go that high with your strength, you might just as well go for 38 or even 42 strength to get an increase in armor that's actually noticeable.

So the only thing that could save medium armor would be powerful magic abilities but alas, there's nothing nearly as strong as Felon's Coat or Evon the Great's Mail in medium armor. Come to think of it, Felon's Coat actually has more armor than any medium chest in the game...

The only useful medium armor is Wade's Superior Dragonskin which is by far the best set for non-tank AWs due to its negative fatigue and stamina- (or rather mana-) bonus. One could also use it for offensive warriors, but I usually rely on Deathblow for Stamina-Reg and Powerful for low fatigue and go with heavy or even massive armor.

Other than that, all medium armors are useless. Would have loved the Ancient Elven set if it had some kind of archery bonus but no such luck.

[ralphfromdk]

it's loot that you can sell to traders... it's that simple

[jsachun]

BlackVader wrote...
Other than that, all medium armors are useless. Would have loved the Ancient Elven set if it had some kind of archery bonus but no such luck.

Ancient Elven is a heavy armor. It seems medium because it's made up of viridium, but it's still a type of heavy chain mail.

Modifié par jsachun, 27 février 2010 - 10:02 .

[BlackVader]

jsachun wrote...

BlackVader wrote...
Other than that, all medium armors are useless. Would have loved the Ancient Elven set if it had some kind of archery bonus but no such luck.

Ancient Elven is a heavy armor. It seems medium because it's made up of viridium, but it's still a type of heavy chain mail.

No , it's medium. Can't really check it myself since I don't have it on any savegame (I always sell it because it's crap), but gamebanshee and the wiki both list it as medium and the chance of both being wrong is kinda slim. Also, veridium is T4 and a T4 heavy armor would require 26 strength instead of the Ancient Elven's 22 Str. If it WAS heavy and would require 26 strength, even archery bonuses couldn't make it useful because of the too high requirements and the speed penalty without Master Archer.

I'll admit that it does LOOK like heavy chainmail but stat-wise it's definitely medium armor.

Modifié par BlackVader, 27 février 2010 - 10:51 .

[jsachun]

BlackVader wrote...

jsachun wrote...

BlackVader wrote...
Other than that, all medium armors are useless. Would have loved the Ancient Elven set if it had some kind of archery bonus but no such luck.

Ancient Elven is a heavy armor. It seems medium because it's made up of viridium, but it's still a type of heavy chain mail.

No , it's medium. Can't really check it myself since I don't have it on any savegame (I always sell it because it's crap), but gamebanshee and the wiki both list it as medium and the chance of both being wrong is kinda slim. Also, veridium is T4 and a T4 heavy armor would require 26 strength instead of the Ancient Elven's 22 Str. If it WAS heavy and would require 26 strength, even archery bonuses couldn't make it useful because of the too high requirements and the speed penalty without Master Archer.

I'll admit that it does LOOK like heavy chainmail but stat-wise it's definitely medium armor.

It's in the toolset as medium armor too. I'm just saying it is better than a medium armor.

Modifié par jsachun, 27 février 2010 - 10:54 .

[BlackVader]

jsachun wrote...

It's in the toolset as medium armor too. I'm just saying it is better than a medium armor.

Sorry, but that post makes absolutely no sense to me. How can a medium armor be better than a medium armor? Acient Elven has excactly the same base stats as every other T4 medium armor in the game.

If you are talking about the magical abilities then yes, it's better than any other medium armor (with the exception of Wade's in my opinion but that's subjective). Still, being the "best" (or second best) armor of a lackluster armor type doesn't mean much and it's definitely nowhere nearly as good as some of the heavy or massive armors (or Felon's Coat, for that matter).

[jsachun]

BlackVader wrote...

jsachun wrote...

It's in the toolset as medium armor too. I'm just saying it is better than a medium armor.

Sorry, but that post makes absolutely no sense to me. How can a medium armor be better than a medium armor? Acient Elven has excactly the same base stats as every other T4 medium armor in the game.

If you are talking about the magical abilities then yes, it's better than any other medium armor (with the exception of Wade's in my opinion but that's subjective). Still, being the "best" (or second best) armor of a lackluster armor type doesn't mean much and it's definitely nowhere nearly as good as some of the heavy or massive armors (or Felon's Coat, for that matter).

+ 4 Armor as a set bonus, it's like the  +8  armor set bonus for diligence (heavy) set making it a superior armor than Wade's Full plate (massive) set.

Modifié par jsachun, 27 février 2010 - 11:27 .

[BlackVader]

Well, that's not a set-bonus but the individual +2 armor on the chestpiece and the gloves. Even with the +2 armor the chest still has less armor than an equally tiered heavy armor chest.

Personally, I'd take the Felon's Coat over the complete Ancient Elven set for ANY character, including tanks... which is kinda sad. You'd think an armor set scattered all over the world would be worth collecting :-/

[jsachun]

BlackVader wrote...

Well, that's not a set-bonus but the individual +2 armor on the chestpiece and the gloves. Even with the +2 armor the chest still has less armor than an equally tiered heavy armor chest.
Personally, I'd take the Felon's Coat over the complete Ancient Elven set for ANY character, including tanks... which is kinda sad. You'd think an armor set scattered all over the world would be worth collecting :-/

My armor of choice for heavy is armor of Diligence Set anyday.

Besides I dont't like paying ridiculous amount of money for items that can be matched by a freebie in game.

Modifié par jsachun, 27 février 2010 - 11:46 .

[DarkCamel]

One other use for medium armor is Mage shapshifters. You need strength to hit hard as a shapeshifter, and Wades for example has a low stamina/mana requirement which allows a shapeshifter to cast before meleeing, and conserve mana for swarms. The armor also adds to the shapeshifters armor class.

[BlackVader]

For heavy armor I'd go with Evon the Great's Mail + Wade's Superior Dragonscale boots and gloves for the set bonus - though using Evon's instead of Wade's chest and still gaining the set-bonus might be considered cheating or an exploit. But this combo actually has more armor (27,26) than the digilence set (25,85).

If you want the highest possible armor, you'd probably have to mix and match Evon's mail with the Digilence Boots and Gloves.

If you want a complete set, Cailan's Armor is by far the best tanking equipment you can get. with a total armor of 36,51, but that's massive armor, of course.

Then again, saying how great heavy and massive armors are, still doesn't change the fact that medium armor is uttterly pointless.

Modifié par BlackVader, 27 février 2010 - 11:55 .