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[Nick Fox]

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That may be the case bro, What i meant is RPG game of the year though.
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well they wont specificly give a award to a specifit  game titled i.e best rpg mmo or w/e. i also forgot ff13 is do this year also im not a ff fan but all this compitition puts a smile on my face cause i love that ****

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Aha didnt know that, here in Sweden there is or have at least been "rewards" to different categorys from different game sites etc. Not officially given to a developer, more named on specific sites/papers and in some cases promoted as such afterwards.

[aeetos21]

I didn't think the twist in kotor 1 was all that surprising - yeah it was good but not surprising. The pieces were there you just had to put it together.



Kotor 2 was different because it dealt less with empires and the physical and more with the force itself and its nature and philosophies - that is a great achievement.



How is it similar with ME2? They both explore the darker sides of the galaxy that is for sure.

[Tazzmission]

[quote]Nick Fox wrote...

[quote]Tazzmission wrote...



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That may be the case bro, What i meant is RPG game of the year though.
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well they wont specificly give a award to a specifit  game titled i.e best rpg mmo or w/e. i also forgot ff13 is do this year also im not a ff fan but all this compitition puts a smile on my face cause i love that ****

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Aha didnt know that, here in Sweden there is or have at least been "rewards" to different categorys from different game sites etc. Not officially given to a developer, more named on specific sites/papers and in some cases promoted as such afterwards.
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here in the states around december they host a telivised video games awards show and what they do is they take 4 to 5 games and put them in gatagories. so lets say g.o.t.y for 2010 will be me2 bioshock 2 god of war 3 and ff13 thatll be the nominees for goty

Modifié par Tazzmission, 02 mars 2010 - 09:58 .

[Nick Fox]

[quote]Tazzmission wrote...

[quote]Nick Fox wrote...

[quote]Tazzmission wrote...



[quote]Tazzmission wrote...



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That may be the case bro, What i meant is RPG game of the year though.
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well they wont specificly give a award to a specifit  game titled i.e best rpg mmo or w/e. i also forgot ff13 is do this year also im not a ff fan but all this compitition puts a smile on my face cause i love that ****

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Aha didnt know that, here in Sweden there is or have at least been "rewards" to different categorys from different game sites etc. Not officially given to a developer, more named on specific sites/papers and in some cases promoted as such afterwards.
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here in the states around december they host a telivised video games awards show and what they do is they take 4 to 5 games and put them in gatagories. so lets say g.o.t.y for 2010 will be me2 bioshock 2 god of war 3 and ff13 thatll be the nominees for goty[/quote]

I can imagine things are around the gameing industry is a lot bigger in the US. Sounds like fun and rather prestiegous (sp) ?

Here's a thought: if the Nobel cometee would expand into the gaming area (silly thought but hey lets have some fun). That would be the ultimate prize. Beeing able to socialize among the royal family and all the geniousis that are present during the banquet, think about that BW
(Dont forget your smokings gentlemen, and the evening gowns for the ladys)

How fun would the telvised part of the "Geniouses speculate" be with some game developers in the mix!?? ha ha
Great place for picking up ideas to further develop the story's and plots.

Modifié par Nick Fox, 02 mars 2010 - 10:19 .

[SurfaceBeneath]

condiments1 wrote...

Kreia>>>>>>>entire KOTOR cast combined.

Honestly, without the "Twist" in the original KOTOR no one would be raving how amazing the story is.

"Collect the galaxy maps to chase bad guy before he gets to evil ancient machine building station"

In actuality KOTOR1 and ME1 hold far more in common then their sequels with their 'RACE TO THE FINISH' storylines involving ancient societies. If sequels hold anything in common its that they are generally far more nuanced and interesting narrative wise with great gameplay improvements.

Too bad the KOTOR2 was so rushed though.

I have nothing further to add to this.

[Michel1986]

........ please  im a huge star wars nerd and trust me kotor2 was not even good man. obsidian cant even come close to what bioware did for the original kotor

Obsidian didnt get enough time to finish it thanks to lucasarts, lucasarts saw how much money they got with kotor 1 and wanted to do the same with kotor 2. Don't blame Obsidian, if you want to blame someone blame Lucasarts.

For 1 thing i can blame Obsidian, they could make some patches to fix a few things in the game and ''add'' the droid facility (for sample)

[Balerion84]

Michel1986 wrote...

........ please  im a huge star wars nerd and trust me kotor2 was not even good man. obsidian cant even come close to what bioware did for the original kotor

Obsidian didnt get enough time to finish it thanks to lucasarts, lucasarts saw how much money they got with kotor 1 and wanted to do the same with kotor 2. Don't blame Obsidian, if you want to blame someone blame Lucasarts.

For 1 thing i can blame Obsidian, they could make some patches to fix a few things in the game and ''add'' the droid facility (for sample)

I'm not 100% sure, but I think the problem why Obsidian never added those things or fixed a lot of other stuff was because of Lucas Arts. I may be wrong but I think this is what I read on the KOTOR2 forums a year or so ago. 

[FlintlockJazz]

MajorStranger wrote...

Kotor 2 was made by Obsidian, not Bioware. Don't ever insult Bioware again!

Which is strange considering that Obsidian is essentially Black Isle who made Planescape Torment, one of the supposedly best written stories in gaming.

[Zottle]

KOTOR2 was okay, whereas KOTOR is one of the best games ever created. It's a downgrade. A possible explanation is that Obsidian made it, a terrible dev studio with a history of failures.



ME1 was very good, but ME2 is (mostly) a better game... in defiance of the laws of sequels. This mirrors BG1 < BG2. I guess Bioware is just destined to 1up themselves.

[Balerion84]

Zottle wrote...

A possible explanation is that Obsidian made it, a terrible dev studio with a history of failures.

Fallout
Fallout 2
Icewind Dale
Icewind Dale II
and most of all
Planescape: Torment, the one Infinity engine game better than Baldur's Gate 2.

Terrible studio indeed... 

Didn't play NWN2 (as NWN1 didn't appeal to me so much) so can't comment on that.
KOTOR2 was awesome. Darker, deeper than KOTOR1. Character development and dialogues leagues ahead of KOTOR1. Unfortunately rushed by Lucas Arts in the end.

Modifié par Balerion84, 02 mars 2010 - 12:19 .

[BellaStrega]

Zottle wrote...

KOTOR2 was okay, whereas KOTOR is one of the best games ever created. It's a downgrade. A possible explanation is that Obsidian made it, a terrible dev studio with a history of failures.

As pointed out above, Obsidian was formed from Black Isle after Interplay laid Black Isle off in 2003. They made Fallout, Fallout 2, Icewind Dale, Icewind Dale 2, Planescape: Torment. They were working on Fallout 3 and Baldur's Gate 3, but Interplay killed both projects in favor of their not very successful console projects.

KOTOR 2 was unfinished, but far from a failure. Neverwinter Nights 2 is flawed, but again far from a failure. What's this infamous history of failures you're talking about?

[Jalem001]

Obsidian, maker of mediocre sequels!



KoTOR 2 wasn't bad on its own, but when you compare it to KoTOR it really doesn't stack up. It had some cool features (influence, deeper lightsaber building) but it took a lot of things from KoTOR 1 (I mean Carth and whats his face are basically the same character).



Its downright insulting to compare KoTOR 2 to ME2 though. ME2 is a great game. KoTOR 2 is um...a good game, but not a good sequel for one the best RPGs ever?

[Revelations10]

i liked them all

[Revya]

Kotor 2 was ok but I would have liked to continue the story of MY Revan.

ME2 actually does this rather nicely

I wonder what TOR will gives in terms of KOTOR lore.

Modifié par Revya, 02 mars 2010 - 12:41 .

[TheTrooper1138]

Darth Drago wrote... 


Could it be Mass Effect 2 is made by the same developers/creators of KOTOR 2? *cue Twilight Zone theme music*

you fail... :innocent:

Taiko Roshi wrote...

You must be confused. Obsidian is by far the better developer. They have always improved the BW games that they have developed. Alpha Protocol is going to knock ME 2 out of the park and lets not forget that FO:Vegas will crush DA:O.  Don't ever insult Obsidian again!

you must be high... Obsh*tian can't even compare to BW in their wildest dreams... 

Tazzmission wrote...

........ please  im a huge star wars nerd and trust me kotor2 was not even good man. obsidian cant even come close to what bioware did for the original kotor

agreed, coming from another Star Wars nerd (my username might already have given me away anyways )

Modifié par TheTrooper1138, 02 mars 2010 - 12:45 .

[Burdokva]

I can't say I'm a fan of KotOR 2's overall atmosphere, story and design, but that's my personal taste. Too much pseudo-religion and Jedi/Sith conflict mythos. The Force and its servants were always the part of Star Wars I enjoyed the least.



However, the game had the potential to be great and Obsidian should be cut some slack - it was LucasArts who butchered it with their ridiculous time release schedule. KotOR 2 even shipped with so much deleted content on the disk that I remember a mod a while back that was working to restore it.



Lucas Arts are idiots who can't make a decent game in ten years - Republic Commando being the only exception, and that barely works on modern GPU's because they refuse to patch it. And they were such a great company in the 90's...



Mass Effect 2, on the other hand, is a great game. In some respects I prefer the original, but in other it's clearly superior. It's not so buggy and it has a proper ending that sets up the end of the trilogy. IMHO, the perfect Mass Effect 3 is a mix of the strong sides of the first two games.

[FlintlockJazz]

Zottle wrote...

KOTOR2 was okay, whereas KOTOR is one of the best games ever created. It's a downgrade. A possible explanation is that Obsidian made it, a terrible dev studio with a history of failures.

ME1 was very good, but ME2 is (mostly) a better game... in defiance of the laws of sequels. This mirrors BG1 < BG2. I guess Bioware is just destined to 1up themselves.

Jalem001 wrote...

Obsidian, maker of mediocre sequels!

KoTOR
2 wasn't bad on its own, but when you compare it to KoTOR it really
doesn't stack up. It had some cool features (influence, deeper
lightsaber building) but it took a lot of things from KoTOR 1 (I mean
Carth and whats his face are basically the same character).

Its
downright insulting to compare KoTOR 2 to ME2 though. ME2 is a great
game. KoTOR 2 is um...a good game, but not a good sequel for one the
best RPGs ever?

You know this 'history of failures' making Obsidian 'maker of mediocre sequels' doesn't really stack up when it's just two games, both of which supposedly had outside influences that stopped them from being what they were, compared to the many good games they have made such as the list others have given.  I'm sure even if it was entirely their own fault its not like perfection can be made everytime, and that even the greatest creators made some absolute piles of **** sometimes!

[Retsugi]

I laughed at the title of this thread, this has to be the 4th time I've seen ME2 Compared to Kotor 2.

In a way I agree, though Kotor 2 was horrifically bugged beyond belief and well that stupid 3 hour long mining asteroid tutorial still haunts me *shudders*



Anyway at least they kept the general Systems the same. ME2 plot wise etc. is fine, just the systems being removed and combat being so different was probably too far, ME isn't suppose to be a Hard core shooter.



"Remember Shepard, you were a human long before you were a Spectre."



"Remember Bioware, Mass effect was an RPG long before it was a shooter"

[Balerion84]

FlintlockJazz wrote...


You know this 'history of failures' making Obsidian 'maker of mediocre sequels' doesn't really stack up when it's just two games, both of which supposedly had outside influences that stopped them from being what they were, compared to the many good games they have made such as the list others have given.  I'm sure even if it was entirely their own fault its not like perfection can be made everytime, and that even the greatest creators made some absolute piles of **** sometimes!

It's like these internet Obsidian haters never played anything besides Kotor2 (maybe NWN2)...
BioWare and Black Isle/Obsidian were always comrades, I don't understand where this ignorant hate towards Obsidian is coming from (especially on BioWare forum), that's just sad.

[BellaStrega]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

You know this 'history of failures' making Obsidian 'maker of mediocre sequels' doesn't really stack up when it's just two games, both of which supposedly had outside influences that stopped them from being what they were, compared to the many good games they have made such as the list others have given.  I'm sure even if it was entirely their own fault its not like perfection can be made everytime, and that even the greatest creators made some absolute piles of **** sometimes!

Yeah, KOTOR 2 was definitely one of those games that should have been finished when it was finished, not when the schedule demanded it.

It's kind of surreal to see Obsidian characterized as so terrible in this thread. I can only imagine these are people who started their gaming in the last 6 years or so.

[BellaStrega]

Balerion84 wrote...

It's like these internet Obsidian haters never played anything besides Kotor2 (maybe NWN2)...
BioWare and Black Isle/Obsidian were always comrades, I don't understand where this ignorant hate towards Obsidian is coming from (especially on BioWare forum), that's just sad.

Well, I definitely find Torment and the Icewind Dale games still as playable now as they were when they were new.

Admittedly, IWD2 is not my favorite...

[Balerion84]

BellaStrega wrote...


Well, I definitely find Torment and the Icewind Dale games still as playable now as they were when they were new.

Admittedly, IWD2 is not my favorite...

Icewind Dale games were always pretty much more action oriented versions of Baldur's Gate. I agree that IWD2 wasn't as good as the first one, but it's still very good.
And I don't think I have to talk about the greatness of Planescape Torment or the original Fallout games.
I have this weird feeling the haters never touched those games.

[SurfaceBeneath]

I don't know why, but I finished Icewind Dale several times (3 or 4 at least) but I could never finish IWD2. And the thing is, I don't even consider it a worse game at all. It feels like every time I've tried to pick it up again though, something just doesn't gel or I get sidetracked onto something else...



And yes, the Obsidian hate is really silly considering how much history they share with Bioware.

[Balerion84]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

I don't know why, but I finished Icewind Dale several times (3 or 4 at least) but I could never finish IWD2. And the thing is, I don't even consider it a worse game at all. It feels like every time I've tried to pick it up again though, something just doesn't gel or I get sidetracked onto something else...

And yes, the Obsidian hate is really silly considering how much history they share with Bioware.

Heh same for me. I never finished IWD2, though I can't really criticize it. Same thing happened to me with Bethesda's Morrowind and Oblivion, great games, but always lost interest after some time. I think those games feel very sterile, so that might be one of the reasons why I always lose interest and move to something else.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Balerion84 wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

I don't know why, but I finished Icewind Dale several times (3 or 4 at least) but I could never finish IWD2. And the thing is, I don't even consider it a worse game at all. It feels like every time I've tried to pick it up again though, something just doesn't gel or I get sidetracked onto something else...

And yes, the Obsidian hate is really silly considering how much history they share with Bioware.

Heh same for me. I never finished IWD2, though I can't really criticize it. Same thing happened to me with Bethesda's Morrowind and Oblivion, great games, but always lost interest after some time. I think those games feel very sterile, so that might be one of the reasons why I always lose interest and move to something else.

I loved exploring Morrowind, but yea, I never finished it either. Did put at least 60 hours into it though and I do consider it a very very good game.

Oblivion was.... eh... I was amazed by the game for the first 10 hours due to the level of detail in the environment and then after that point I just fell asleep playing it.

Modifié par SurfaceBeneath, 02 mars 2010 - 01:39 .