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Read! I changed what I've originally posted on here, because the other thread I tried to make got screwed up by idoits and was moved to the wrong forum.

I have created a new thread because the last one was a test to get peoples ideas and suggestions. This new thread will incorprate ideas from the old one in an attempt to provethat a new ship is neccesary for ME-3.

Were going to need a bigger ship, something that has the power to take on a reaper. The current Normandy doesn't have the fire power to battle a reaper one on one. Stealth systems and manuerverability just wont cut it anymore, we need something take pack a punch and take one. The SR-2 got lucky when it destroyed the collector ship because it caught it off gaurd, but its luck will run out when the reapers arive. This is why I propose a new ship be built, but not just any ship, I'm talking about a Dreadnought class warship. A dreadnought has everything Shepard needs in this upcoming war against the reapers. I'm going to discuss and point out just why we need need a bigger and better ship.

First of all, there are people who are going to argue with me that the current normandy is just fine and there is no reason to build another one. For example.

1. One person might say, "the Normandy is a stealth vessel. It is supposed to be small, fast, and quiet." The current Normandy's stealth systems don't work against reaper technology because the collectors were able to detect it and collector technology is presumably based off of reaper technology.

2. Another might say that it took down a reaper and collector vessel. The normandy didn't destroy soveriegn, it was the combined effort of a whole armada of warships that finally took down its sheilds and destroyed it. When the normady destroyed the collector vessel it destroyed it because the collectors wern't expecting a ship to come through the Omega 4 Relay and they were caught off gaurd, their shields weren't even up. The Normandy got lucky in each of those battles, but if it fought a collector vessel who's shields were up in a one on one battle its luck would run out.

3. Someone else said," A dreadnought is way to much overkill. A Dreadnought's only purpose would be the tank for an army and psychological warfare." While not being a Dreadnoughts only purpose, being a tank that can take a punch and deal one back is a neccesary thing. Also being able to intimidate and put fear into the enemy is a key advantage.

4. A dreadnought can't dock with cities, space stations, or land/swoop in planet side. Thats why there are things called drop ships and shuttles that serve this purpose, and there is the current normandy if it survived.

5. Dreadnoughts are expensive and require a large crew. Cerberus can easily provide the funding that would be required to build a dreadnought, they have a large source of income. AI's such as EDI can replace a majority of non essential crew members.

6. A dreadnought lacks the maneuverabilty of a cruiser or frigate and would become easily destroyed, like the Destiny Accension. The Accension did not lack maneuverability, but lacked a fleet to back it up, we must remember that the citedal fleet lacked the forces to defend against an overwhelming geth armada lead by the reaper soveriegn. In a one on one fight the destiny accension might have been able to defeat soveriegn. We should also take into account that the citedal fleet didn't expect to be attacked by such a large force and if they were properly prepared they could have defended themselves. This is why when shepard goes into battle with the reapers he'll be backed up by the rest of the galactic forces.

7. Also if the current normandy was destroyed, were going to need a new ship.

I'll add more to this later if need be.

Shepard will need a dreadnought if he is going to stand a chance against a repear, let alone a whole reaper army. Dreadnoughts have the weapons and armor needed for the upcoming war. It will also provide a base of operations and capital ship for shepard to command his army and gather his squad and crew members. The ship would be upgradable, custimizable, and explorable, providing larger rpg experience to the game.

The ship would most likely be built by TIM, and depending on whether you destroy the collector base or save it will effect how powerful it is, because if you saved it it'll be upgraded with collector technology. Now the ship will likely have AI's to replace non-essential crew members, this will allow the ship to be more productive and effective. Also, it will included with a large cargo bay to hold the current normandy, if it survided, so shepard has something to use as a docking/dropship.

We must remember that shepard can't do this alone, he is going to need his allies that he has gathered by his side if he is going to stand a chance; and now I ask the Mass Effect community to give me their inputs, please be respectful when posting and don't spam this thread.

P.S. will add more when I've collected more data.

Modifié par War Houndoom, 04 mars 2010 - 12:20 .


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Dreadnoughts are named after mountains, so...



FAIL

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Only if we get Homeworld 2 type of gameplay. Otherwise, you get a kick-ass Dreadnought but practically no use for it except in cinematics.

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War Houndoom wrote...
Theory on what would happen number 1. It gets destroyed again and shepard dies and has to get relazarused.



...no.

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The Normandy SR-2 is fine and not destroyed.

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hmmmm, part of the game could be about upgrading the dreadnought.


no...wait



Edit: I won't say i don't like the idea, but unless the SR-2 gets destryed, there's no reason to do this. If it gets done, great! I like flagships ^_^

Modifié par MrHimuraChan, 27 février 2010 - 04:34 .


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A Dreadnaught? Are you serious? Next you'll suggest that the Ebon Hawk should have been a warship.



The Normandy is a stealth vessel. It is supposed to be small, fast, and quiet. That's what makes it unique. Keep your glorified battering-ram, I think the Normandy is fine as it is.

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I do like the idea. I do not hold even the most remote hope of something like this happening though.

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Aryck1095 V2 wrote...

A Dreadnaught? Are you serious? Next you'll suggest that the Ebon Hawk should have been a warship.

The Normandy is a stealth vessel. It is supposed to be small, fast, and quiet. That's what makes it unique. Keep your glorified battering-ram, I think the Normandy is fine as it is.


You think I'm joking right? I'm not, while the current normandy might be unique, It would stand no chance against a reaper, not to mention a whole reaper army.

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They won't destroy the ship and introduce us to a new ship.



I could see us being given control of a base of operations.

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A dreadnought is way to much overkill. A Dreadnought's only purpose would be the tank for an army and psychological warfare. The Normandy being a frigate is far more productive for Shepard. As Shepard is never someone who simply bludgens into things stupidly. He does things far more tediously like doing meaningless tasks and finally being able to kill the big bad guy at the end.

Modifié par Yorick of the Damned, 27 février 2010 - 04:42 .


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Why a Dreadnought? Have the Geth build a very own Reaper as your Flagship!



Seriously, neither is likely to happen in any case.

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War Houndoom wrote...

Aryck1095 V2 wrote...

A Dreadnaught? Are you serious? Next you'll suggest that the Ebon Hawk should have been a warship.

The Normandy is a stealth vessel. It is supposed to be small, fast, and quiet. That's what makes it unique. Keep your glorified battering-ram, I think the Normandy is fine as it is.


You think I'm joking right? I'm not, while the current normandy might be unique, It would stand no chance against a reaper, not to mention a whole reaper army.


A single dreadnought cannot stand up against an army. Shepard needs to build his own army to fight the Reapers. That is why he stated that humanity needs a leader willing to fight for their survival yet not willing to destroy themselves doing it.

War Houndoom wrote...
Theory on what would happen number 1. It gets destroyed again and shepard dies and has to get relazarused.



*Headdesk* the ending of ME2 doesn't even allow that. Cerberus was almost put into bankruptsy because of the combined efforts of the Lazerous project and the reconstruction of the Normandy. The even thought that the Illusive man would do it all over again for Shepard is ludicruous. The only reason he did it in the first place was because the Collectors were coming and only a team of specialists could defeat them. That is why he ressurected the greatest leader in the galaxy to do it. But thanks to the ending of the second game the Illusive man either hates you for destroying the space station, or doesn't need you anymore because he has it.

Modifié par Yorick of the Damned, 27 février 2010 - 04:48 .


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Dreadnoughts are not practical for the kind of work Shepard does. You can't swoop in and out of a planet's atmosphere with them. Probably can't even dock them in cities.



Shepard is 'special ops infiltration team' type, not a 'sit on the bridge and point at ships to shoot' type.

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Yorick of the Damned wrote...

A dreadnought is way to much overkill. A Dreadnought's only purpose would be the tank for an army and psychological warfare. The Normandy being a frigate is far more productive for Shepard. As Shepard is never someone who simply bludgens into things stupidly. He does things far more tediously like doing meaningless tasks and finally being able to kill the big bad guy at the end.


I disagree with you,  you talk like a dreadnaught is a meaningless thing with its only purpose to intimidate. Shepard needs a "tank" or in better words, a flagship to lead his army. A dreadnaught isn't some tool used for bashing into the enemy, its used a command ship to lead and control the other ships in its fleet.

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War Houndoom wrote...

Yorick of the Damned wrote...

A dreadnought is way to much overkill. A Dreadnought's only purpose would be the tank for an army and psychological warfare. The Normandy being a frigate is far more productive for Shepard. As Shepard is never someone who simply bludgens into things stupidly. He does things far more tediously like doing meaningless tasks and finally being able to kill the big bad guy at the end.


I disagree with you,  you talk like a dreadnaught is a meaningless thing with its only purpose to intimidate. Shepard needs a "tank" or in better words, a flagship to lead his army. A dreadnaught isn't some tool used for bashing into the enemy, its used a command ship to lead and control the other ships in its fleet.


That is why he doesn't need one. A Dreadnaught is also not a practical ship. It doesn't go cavorting around the galaxy like the Normandy does. It's only use is protecting the fleet or heading off into battle. A Frigate could easily command the rest of the ships just as it did in the Battle of the Citadel with Joker finishing Sovereign off.

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diskoh wrote...

Dreadnoughts are not practical for the kind of work Shepard does. You can't swoop in and out of a planet's atmosphere with them. Probably can't even dock them in cities.

Shepard is 'special ops infiltration team' type, not a 'sit on the bridge and point at ships to shoot' type.


Yes we know this, but thats why there are things called shuttles and drop ships, there's also the current normandy that would serve this purpose if it survives.

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I always amused about asking about dreadnought.

A dreadnought is a battleship, basicly its a "all big guns" that as WW II shown they ere useless as carrier aircraft made then obsolete.

In mass effect they seem about the same, a "big guns" warship as they are build around their main gun but that means they are huge, the Normandy is a frigate that is not a very large ship so what would be the point of the SR-3 (that a dreadnaught would NOT get that classification as SR indicates "Stealth Reconnaissance") being one as it would be ... oh about 1 kilometer in size?

The sheer size would make it larger that the hubs we see in see in the games.

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I like the idea. Hopefully TIM puts that new tech I gave him to good use and gets me a huge reaper smacking stick.....err I mean dreadnaught.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 27 février 2010 - 05:07 .


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Darth_Trethon wrote...

I like the idea. Hopefully TIM puts that new tech I gave him to good use and gets me a huge reaper smacking stick.....err I mean dreadnaught.


The Illusive man wants nothing more to do with you. You already did what he ordered you to do, and at the end you either gave him exactly what he wanted or you destroyed what he wanted. So either he has no more use for you, or he wants to kill you

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I totally want a dreadnought, but ONLY if it has a bridge. On that bridge, I will look out at the battle and shout things like "Evasive maneuvers!" and of course "It's a trap!" We NEED this in a sci-fi epic.

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And of course, you need to recuit the entire crew of 1200, and do all their loyalty missions too. :P

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Drakron wrote...

I always amused about asking about dreadnought.

A dreadnought is a battleship, basicly its a "all big guns" that as WW II shown they ere useless as carrier aircraft made then obsolete.

In mass effect they seem about the same, a "big guns" warship as they are build around their main gun but that means they are huge, the Normandy is a frigate that is not a very large ship so what would be the point of the SR-3 (that a dreadnaught would NOT get that classification as SR indicates "Stealth Reconnaissance") being one as it would be ... oh about 1 kilometer in size?

The sheer size would make it larger that the hubs we see in see in the games.


Ah your right, A dreadnought is not really stealthy so guess we can't call it the SR-3, but thats beside the point I'm trying to make here, thanks for the correction though.

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War Houndoom wrote...

diskoh wrote...

Dreadnoughts are not practical for the kind of work Shepard does. You can't swoop in and out of a planet's atmosphere with them. Probably can't even dock them in cities.

Shepard is 'special ops infiltration team' type, not a 'sit on the bridge and point at ships to shoot' type.


Yes we know this, but thats why there are things called shuttles and drop ships, there's also the current normandy that would serve this purpose if it survives.


So Shepard would have a dreadnought AND the SR-2, what, in the cargo bay? Just to land on planets?

This is a dumb thread.

Modifié par diskoh, 27 février 2010 - 05:11 .


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OInly if it comes with a waffle bar.