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[Sentient Being]

They should strap some rockets onto the Citadel and Shepard can pilot that around

it of course will come equipped with an old wooden pirate ship wheel for steering

Modifié par Sentient Being, 27 février 2010 - 05:16 .

[War Houndoom]

Yorick of the Damned wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

I like the idea. Hopefully TIM puts that new tech I gave him to good use and gets me a huge reaper smacking stick.....err I mean dreadnaught.

The Illusive man wants nothing more to do with you. You already did what he ordered you to do, and at the end you either gave him exactly what he wanted or you destroyed what he wanted. So either he has no more use for you, or he wants to kill you

Your kidding me right? You obviously don't get the story at all, TIM didn't bring shepard back just to be done with him after the collector threat was dealt with, his main goal is to stop the reapers, and he knows that he is going to need shepard to do just that. *with a dreadnought of course*

[Dualcode]

Actually, have you noticed something on your ME2 Playthrough? I dunno..its called Thanix Cannon, you get it as an Upgrade. Its the maingun of Sovereign, or rather its basicly a recreation of it. So you have a REAPER MAINGUN ON A FRIGATE. Far greater Speed and Firepower than any Dreadnought has! So why the hell would Shepard need a giant piece of metal that can hardly evade any incoming fire? Lets consider this. The Collector Cruiser would have gotten ALOT more hits into the Normandy if it was a Dreadnought, and they are just collectors, they dont have the really big mean guns.

[Darth_Trethon]

Yorick of the Damned wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

I like the idea. Hopefully TIM puts that new tech I gave him to good use and gets me a huge reaper smacking stick.....err I mean dreadnaught.

The Illusive man wants nothing more to do with you. You already did what he ordered you to do, and at the end you either gave him exactly what he wanted or you destroyed what he wanted. So either he has no more use for you, or he wants to kill you

Don't be ridiculous. Shepard will be at the center of the fight against the Reapers and a key element to whether we win or lose and TIM KNOWS it. Besides.....me and TIM are on good terms....we had a couple of tough chats at the end but we both agree that we'll need each other's help if the reapers are to be stopped.....nobody else believes the reapers are real so we'll have to do with a smaller force.....we'll need the tech to make up where we lack numbers. The council and their forces are a lost cause, they'll get wiped out.....I just hope we can convince the allianca to abandon them or they're lost too and humanity will be vulnerable to other threats once the reapers are out(ie....damned batarians).

[Drakron]

diskoh wrote...
So Shepard would have a dreadnought AND the SR-2, what, in the cargo bay? Just to land on planets?

Fun fact, the SR-2 being twice the size of the SR-1 cannot land on planets and depends on the Kodiac Shuttles aboard for planetary landings.

Unlike the SR-1 that could as it did Virmire.

And in case anyone wants to dispuste that ... the game TELLS you that and the ONLY planet the SR-2 is shown to dock is on Illum that have docking facilities, it could not in Tuchanka were a shuttle is used instead and neither the Citadel or Omega are planets, they are space stations.

There is no point to have the SR-2 "for landings" as it incapable to do without the existence of docking facilities for ships of her size.

Modifié par Drakron, 27 février 2010 - 05:27 .

[Geth Knight]

To the OP:

1. Normandy Jr. can't land planet side. Its too large. Have you done the research?

2. Dreadnaughts were used in the fight against Sovereign and were getting their asses KICKED! Have you played ME1?

3. Having Normandy Jr. get destroyed and Shepard die again, is an example of bad writing. And we all know that BW does not do bad writing.

[addiction21]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Lol, I can't believe some people. First off there is NO way the current Normandy can take on the Reapers to a degree of success. It is going to take serious firepower. That is something a Dreadnought class starship can provide.

It has Shep on it. Nuff said.

[Drakron]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Lol, I can't believe some people. First off there is NO way the current Normandy can take on the Reapers to a degree of success. It is going to take serious firepower. That is something a Dreadnought class starship can provide.

It taken out the Collectors ship that was Reaper technology with ONE shoot (well ONE pass).

Secondly, the SR2 can still be docked and undocked from the Dreadnought. No reason it has to leave the game, but there are definately points in the plot that are going to require something a bit more... raw.

Already pointed out the logical flaw in that argument.

Finally, and this is aimed at Yorick of the Damned as well as Delta246, you guys don't have a clue. That's where your similarities end though in this conversation so I will now address you both seperately. Delta246, don't be a loudmouth jackass, a Dreadnought is a huge craft with heavy armor and weapons used for annihilating opposition before a battle can even begin, so don't tell people they "fail" when you are full of "failure," it's unbecoming. Yorick, obviously The Illusive Man knows that Shepard is humanities best hope as well as the rest of the galaxy, he is not going to abandon his ace in the hole, especially if you side with him. If you don't I am pretty sure he is going to attempt to manipulate Shepard's actions with his other resources... don't underestimate TiM. Shepard is everyone's best hope and he knows that.

Its also big as hell and likely handle like a pregnant  cow.

Also we already had the Destiny Ascension being taken out by what was a swarm of Geth Dropships that are not really much bigger that a Frigate, also were exactly he is going to pull out a ENTIRE FLEET? out of a top hat?

In case you missed ... YOU HAVE NO CHANCE AGAINST THE REAPERS AS A FORCE, the only chance is maybe the combined forces of all species and even so they would take some out before they would be wiped out.

A direct attack WILL NOT WORK, you MISS one of the themes of Mass Effect that is UNITING the Galaxy many races against the Reapers, NOT doing it all alone.

[War Houndoom]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Lol, I can't believe some people. First off there is NO way the current Normandy can take on the Reapers to a degree of success. It is going to take serious firepower. That is something a Dreadnought class starship can provide.

Secondly, the SR2 can still be docked and undocked from the Dreadnought. No reason it has to leave the game, but there are definately points in the plot that are going to require something a bit more... raw.

Finally, and this is aimed at Yorick of the Damned as well as Delta246, you guys don't have a clue. That's where your similarities end though in this conversation so I will now address you both seperately. Delta246, don't be a loudmouth jackass, a Dreadnought is a huge craft with heavy armor and weapons used for annihilating opposition before a battle can even begin, so don't tell people they "fail" when you are full of "failure," it's unbecoming. Yorick, obviously The Illusive Man knows that Shepard is humanities best hope as well as the rest of the galaxy, he is not going to abandon his ace in the hole, especially if you side with him. If you don't I am pretty sure he is going to attempt to manipulate Shepard's actions with his other resources... don't underestimate TiM. Shepard is everyone's best hope and he knows that.

Thanks for the back up man, I hate dealing with haters, might have to make a new thread because of it,

[Darth_Trethon]

I agree with the OP and XxTaLoNxX.....the current Normandy can't take on reapers, we need hell of a lot more firepower.



The thing is that none of the existing dreadnaughts have appropriate firepower either....we'll need more weapons based on reaper/collector technology like the Thanix.

[Yorick of the Damned]

War Houndoom wrote...

Yorick of the Damned wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

I like the idea. Hopefully TIM puts that new tech I gave him to good use and gets me a huge reaper smacking stick.....err I mean dreadnaught.

The Illusive man wants nothing more to do with you. You already did what he ordered you to do, and at the end you either gave him exactly what he wanted or you destroyed what he wanted. So either he has no more use for you, or he wants to kill you

Your kidding me right? You obviously don't get the story at all, TIM didn't bring shepard back just to be done with him after the collector threat was dealt with, his main goal is to stop the reapers, and he knows that he is going to need shepard to do just that. *with a dreadnought of course*

Shepard's entire use was to destroy the collector threat. Why exactly would the Illusive man keep him around after that? He either has destroyed the Collector technology and utterly pissed him off and alienated himself from Cerberus. Or gave him the experiemental collector tech. There's no reason to keep a simple soldier around when he has an army to defeat. 

Darth_Trethon wrote...
Don't be ridiculous. Shepard will be at the center of the fight against
the Reapers and a key element to whether we win or lose and
TIM KNOWS it. Besides.....me and TIM are on good terms....we had a
couple of tough chats at the end but we both agree that we'll need each
other's help if the reapers are to be stopped.....nobody else believes
the reapers are real so we'll have to do with a smaller force.....we'll
need the tech to make up where we lack numbers. The council and their
forces are a lost cause, they'll get wiped out.....I just hope we can
convince the allianca to abandon them or they're lost too and humanity
will be vulnerable to other threats once the reapers are
out(ie....damned batarians).

1. Why would the Illusive man care about Shepard now? Shepard just destroyed the Collectors, but one man can't stand up against an army. Even Shepard alknowledges this as he says that he would need to be the leader of the human race, and that the Illusive man would only stand in his way to prevent the Reapers. The Illusive man is just overly ambitious and Shepard is now a pawn he can discard.

2. As I mentioned above the Illusive man has his awe inspiring reaper tech that could potentially do anything he wants. What use would a soldier and a crew of 11 people do when he has experiemental reaper tech that could potentially outfit an entire army with reaper destroying weapons and solidify Humanity as a dominant power house. There's no reason at all. If you believe the Illusive man wouldn't cast Shepard aside as soon as he fulfiled his role you have been blind to his entire character.

XxTaLoNxX wrote...
The Illusive Man knows that Shepard is humanities
best hope as well as the rest of the galaxy, he is not going to abandon
his ace in the hole, especially if you side with him. If you don't I am
pretty sure he is going to attempt to manipulate Shepard's actions with
his other resources... don't underestimate TiM. Shepard is everyone's
best hope and he knows that.

Read above. The Illusive man doesn't back down and just kiss Shepard's ass when he roles on through. With both endings to Mass Effect 2 You see his uncaring attitude to Shepard. In the first ending he is overly pissed off at him for destroying the Reaper tech, with the second he doesn't care about Shepard anymore and only cares about the reaper space station.

I pose to you one question. What can one man do against an invicible army of machines? Nothing, at all. The Normandy cannot fight an army of machines.  The Illusive man needs an army of his own and Shepard would only stand in his way to do so. He doesn't need Shepard anymore, he needs to build an army to combat the Reapers.

War Houndoom wrote...

Thanks for the back up man, I hate dealing with haters, might have to make a new thread because of it,

We are "haters" all of the sudden because we don't believe your idea is worth any merit? If that is the attitude you bring to the table then you shouldn't have tried to defend your arguement logically. You even said "Comments and suggestions are welcome" Well we gave you comments and all your doing is putting it back in our face because we don't agree with you.

Modifié par Yorick of the Damned, 27 février 2010 - 05:52 .

[Varenus Luckmann]

War Houndoom wrote...

[...]

2. The SR-2 still remains usable, and is used to land planet side and as a drop ship.

[...]

Why, oh god why, would someone use an entire ship, a stealth ship on top of that, as a dropship? A dropship, built for long-range recon and stealth, that requires a smaller dropship WITHIN SAID DROPSHIP, to drop people planetside, bar building a landing bay?

This idea is fail on so many levels.

[Terror_K]

Yeah, destroying The Normandy twice is a bit overkill, IMO. Let's just stick with the SR2 for game three, but let us de-Cerberise it now that that business is done with... hopefully.

[Sloth Of Doom]

Meh, I prefer a smaller "specialist" ship to some lumbering monstrosity. The stealth systems on the Normandy(s) are what makes it special, and the upgrades on the SR-2 make it pack quite a punch for a small ship. Why Burden a crack strike team with a giant bullseye ship?

[TornadoADV]

Going to need a Dreadnought for the final battle. There is a huge difference between the Collector Cruiser (Dreadnought in size) and a Reaper. The capital ships getting sliced in ME1 in the final battle are Alliance CRUISERS, NOT DREADNOUGHTS. Besides the Destiny, we have not seen a single Dread from any race.



I can only drool at the thought of the entire combined force of Citadel Council Dreadnoughts showing up at the final battle in ME3 along with the Human Carriers and two other species who I shall not name.

[Yorick of the Damned]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

@Yorick; Your interpretation of the story is so far out there I don't think ANYONE can agree with you. TiM is not a military man. He is a multi-gatrillionare that funds "Pro-Human" causes... he also nearly bankrupted himself to bring back Shepard. Throughout the story he acknowledges the fact that Shepard is the KEY to stopping the Reapers. Why, oh why, do you think he is going to just be done with Shepard? Especially if he obtains the Reaper tech? You just did everything Cerberus and TiM wanted and are still a very valuable asset... but I guess you wouldn't understand billion dollar military assets that have already saved the galaxy twice eh?

I respect your position, but I still don't believe you understand mine, your sarcasm and unrelenting wit are not amusing.

Let me start at the beginning. The Illusive man is the leader of Cerberus who oversees the various cells that run the place. Now, each cell is independant of one another, Shepard being apart of the Lazerous cell. Shepard was supposed to combat the Collector threat, as mentioned hundreds of times by both Shepard and the Illusive man. Shepard mentions countless times to Tali and Garrus that he 

#1. Doesn't Trust Cerberus and doesn't work for them

#2. Cerberus is only funding their mission.

To review the transcript properly of the ending. For you to understand properly, The ending goes in one of two ways.

#1. Shepard destroys the Illusive man's tech, and tells the Illusive man to get out of his way.

#2. Shepard gives the Illusive man the station, and tells him that he still needs to fight Harbinger while The Illusive man gives him luck non-chalontly as he devotes all his attention to the Space station.

It does NOT, NOT go in one direction. Shepard can either tell the Illusive man to shove it, or give him what he wants. It does not assume that the Illusive man is suddenly going to keep Shepard around for no reason. Shepard can't combat an army. Cerberus can, but they need the resources to do so. So where exactly does Shepard factor into this plan?

I believe you don't understand companies or capitalism properly. If Shepard has already completed his mission for the Illusive man, he is still a possible burden. In corporations when you have something that can potentially burden you, you discard it. The Illusive man doesn't need Shepard, he already did what he was sent out to do, or he destroyed the station.

So how likely is it that all of the sudden Shepard would "team up to fight the Reapers with his best friend, the Illusive man. Tune in next time to that good old Saturday morning Cartoon, Mass Effect". Clearly you don't understand what Shepard has been telling everyone who asks him, that he fully expects Cerberus to betray them at any point, and that he doesn't trust the Illusive man.

[Canned Bullets]

No, commanding the current Normandy that wasn't destroyed is good.

[Baked Potato]

The idea of a dreadnaught is stupid.



Here is my hypothesis:



The reapers will be linked to one "all-powerful" or eachother kind of like the aliens in "Ender's Game" and you will have to board, fight, wound, get in ship, and blow her to hell.



All of this will happen after sleeping with Miranda...again

[addiction21]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Meh, I prefer a smaller "specialist" ship to some lumbering monstrosity. The stealth systems on the Normandy(s) are what makes it special, and the upgrades on the SR-2 make it pack quite a punch for a small ship. Why Burden a crack strike team with a giant bullseye ship?

Because it would have a waffle bar?

[Baked Potato]

addiction21 wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Meh, I prefer a smaller "specialist" ship to some lumbering monstrosity. The stealth systems on the Normandy(s) are what makes it special, and the upgrades on the SR-2 make it pack quite a punch for a small ship. Why Burden a crack strike team with a giant bullseye ship?

Because it would have a waffle bar?

Maybe the reapers are allergic to waffles and that would in the end save all of the universe

[slyguy07]

Well an AI could cover a great portion to prevent needing a giant size crew. Drop it down from the thousands to abt 400.

[slyguy07]

Geth Knight you are wrong. There is only two Dreadnaughts in that entire battle at the end of ME1. Sovereign and The Destiny Ascension. Everything else you see are Turian and Geth Cruisers plus the Alliance Cruisers.