119 réponses à ce sujet

[GuardianAngel470]

 When I first played ME2 and I got to the part where you are choosing the fireteam leader Miranda pipes in and says something to the effect of "You need someone who can command loyalty through experience," and I was like, who has the most experience?  I chose than because I didn't like Zaeed enough to use him.  I'm thinkin' "Thane has been killing for his whole life, and if I'm sending him with characters I care about I want them to have the best chance of staying alive."  Garrus didn't even cross my mind because, lets be honest, the last time he led a squad his whole squad got killed.  I didn't consider Jacob because he never seemed like a leader, more of a follower.  And the comment Jack makes when Miranda tries to lead made me think she wouldn't work either.  So the three people I thought least likely to work as fireteam leader are the only three that work. I had good reasons.

The second time she pipes up before a squadmate selection is when you are picking who to use as the biotic spec.  She tells you that any biotic could handle the task of maintaining a biotic field.  From what I've heard she is dead wrong.  So twice what she says can get your people killed.  Thanks miranda, I wish you had stayed on the ship.

[PopDisaster]

LOL



When she said any biotic could do it, I chose her. I felt like she really wanted to prove to Shep that she was good enough for something so I let her do it. Then Jack died.



But I don't think that makes her a horrible person lol

[Kalfear]

I used Miranda as my Biotic and she worked fine for the role.

I veiw Miranda as weaker then Jack or Sam in the biotic feild btw.

Miranda is actually one of my favorite group mates and use her in all situation except for Horizon (Garrus and Grunt brute strenght with assult rifles so much better for horizon)

Oh I picked Garrus to lead that group and only lost Jack in first game but she wasnt loyal to me so figured that was why.

Definately dont use Thane for the first airduct mission. He died closing doors on me. Read using Legion there better

Modifié par Kalfear, 27 février 2010 - 08:55 .

[challenger18]

So you thought of a solo killer who has never lead a team before as "leadership through experience"? Also, she says technically any biotic can do it, but it would be a task of endurance, something I would want a powerful biotic to do. I can only think of two powerful biotics that are on your squad.

[Computron2000]

Eh Miranda ALWAYS gets someone killed if she's maintaining the Biotic field, even loyal.



Miranda does screw up a lot of her assessments. She said Samara/Zaeed were good choices for fire team leader. Yeah right!



At least she's right on Tali being **** at fire team leader.

[GuardianAngel470]

challenger18 wrote...

So you thought of a solo killer who has never lead a team before as "leadership through experience"? Also, she says technically any biotic can do it, but it would be a task of endurance, something I would want a powerful biotic to do. I can only think of two powerful biotics that are on your squad.

Hey, man she said experience! Other than garrus and miranda no one has experience leading a team, so thane is as good as anybody.  Besides, I like thane.  And as I said in th OP, i didn't choose Garrus or Miranda because of the death of teammembers and team animosity respectively.

[Chuvvy]

Bro Garrus the only reason his squad was killed is because he was tricked and wasn't there to lead them.

[RobbertDewulf]

Oh you didn't...

[Wompoo]

She has her uses, a visual distraction, she also keeps the ship's engine core running hot. Can't blame her for your bad choices. Garus is an obvious choice as well, Thane is a hardcore loner. Sam is nearly a Matriarch, so she is right up there at the top end of Biotic potential. Legion also was an obvious choice, for duct duty.

edit

Modifié par Wompoo, 27 février 2010 - 09:06 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Slidell505 wrote...

Bro Garrus the only reason his squad was killed is because he was tricked and wasn't there to lead them.

I know, but on my first playthrough I wasn't looking too far into things.  I was just along for the ride.  Besides, until I came to these forums I had no idea who I picked made any difference at all.

[Computron2000]

Slidell505 wrote...

Bro Garrus the only reason his squad was killed is because he was tricked and wasn't there to lead them.

Anyone find the collector boarding mission the same (Joker's mission?) If Shepard was there, there was no chance of the crew (or more than 1 or 2 anyway) being taken. He got tricked into leaving and *boom* crew's gone.

[Cutlass Jack]

(edit: nevermind, already covered while I typed this)

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 27 février 2010 - 09:03 .

[Throw_this_away]

She can be a b!tch for sure. But that just added character depth.



I chose a certain tech for the tubes and wanted to kill her after she kept complaining about the heat when I started taking too long opening the vents. That voice is sooo annoying, especially when she is upset. I cheered "Boom! Head-Shot" as the door closed.

[GuardianAngel470]

Wompoo wrote...

She has her uses, a visual distraction, she also keeps the ship's engine core running hot. Can't blame her for your bad choices.

I can, because it was as a direct result of her wise council that I made the choices I did.  If she weren't such a useless advisor and just kept her mouth shut I may have made different choices.  But she said something, prompting me to respond.

[Wompoo]

muwahaha her wise what, council?? come on, there is nothing wise about her, she thought Cerberus was the good guy, with noble intentions.

edit:
Miri just sit there and look pretty and do quitely... thats a good barbie doll.

Modifié par Wompoo, 27 février 2010 - 09:13 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Wompoo wrote...

muwahaha her wise what, council?? come on, there is nothing wise about her, she thought Cerberus was the good guy, with noble intentions.

edit:
Miri just sit there and look pretty and do quitely... thats a good barbie doll.

Yes, that would be sufficient.  And the wise council was sarcastic.

[jimmyjoefro]

Miranda isn't a person, she's a genetically modified clone.

[Mondo_]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Bro Garrus the only reason his squad was killed is because he was tricked and wasn't there to lead them.

I know, but on my first playthrough I wasn't looking too far into things.  I was just along for the ride.  Besides, until I came to these forums I had no idea who I picked made any difference at all.

I picked Garrus for both team leaders without knowing! Shame on you, give me your avatar!

[Computron2000]

Mondo_ wrote...
I picked Garrus for both team leaders without knowing! Shame on you, give me your avatar!

Hey me too. His loyalty mission pointed him out as being a  real leader, just too hard on himself. I let him be the team leader and he didn't let me down.

Surprisingly it the the escort duty person that i had to think more than 3 seconds on (this was before knowing the escort duty was easy). Ended up choosing Thane because of his disappering act in his loyalty mission showed he was good at stealth. Brute force was probably going to get some crew killed when the collectors reinforced from behind, so stealth was the way.

I was kind of bummed to find the choice only depended on loyalty :\\

[Arijharn]

The first time through not only did I survive, but so did everyone else. Despite what Miranda says, reading the descriptions next to each character, and thinking about said character is more than sufficient to let you completely survive.



I like Miranda a lot, but even I thought she was a being a bit of a prissy **** when she bagged out my random choice for Jacob to be fire team lead, and he actually does a damn good job at it.

[aeetos21]

Technically ANY biotic could do it, that doesn't mean that ANY biotic could do it WITHOUT casaulties. Unless I'm mistaken, they still got you and the majority of your team to the next checkpoint.



As for leadership... Thane? Heh, did you talk with him at all? He says that you're the first friend he ever really had, or something to that effect. He doesn't know how to associate with the rest of the crew in the mess. The guy is a good fighter, hell yeah, but that hardly means he's leadership material.



Garrus ia a good leader, he assembled a team of 12 badass vigilantes and raised so much hell that all three of the major merc bands teamed up to take him and his team down. The reason they got his team was because Sidonis, a person he trusted, led him away at a critical time. When Garrus returned there were only two people left and they were well on their way out. So maybe in evaluating people, yes he missed sensing a change in Sidnonis's disposition. But battlefield leadership experience? Definitely on par with Miranda and Shepard and Jacob.



Miranda has led many times in the past both on the battlefield and off it, and her reccomendations to you during the final fight sequence really are on the money - though lacking detail (but hey, Bioware didn't want to make it too easy on us). Besides her squad bonus and combat master evolution (Cerberus leader or Cerberus tactician) kinda screamed out that she would make a good leader, I mean it's written out for you.



Jacob, I was surprised when I heard he would work also but since I never played galaxies and I don't know much about his backstory as some others do... Still, after reading his description on a following playthrough I tried him out and he worked well.



Everybody else was just too much of a loner really - or they didn't have leadership skills necessary.

[ZaDonKilluminati]

I found the decisions extremely easy.



Miranda might come off as a little bit ****y when she says that we need someone with experience to lead the team, but she is absolutely right. Why would you choose someone who has never even worked with other people? So i chose her both times.



As for the biotic, the decision again was extremely easy. Jack might be a good biotic for a human, but she is still human, as is Miranda. And if you have at least read one or two entries of the galactic codex, you should have known that even the standard asari is much more capable as a biotic than an experienced human, by nature. And Samara is a powerful biotic even for an Asari with hundreds of years of experience as a Justicar, so again my choice was clear.



I really thought Bioware gave you more than enough help to make an informed decision.



And btw: Garrus team only died because he was betrayed and got called away. His leading abilities were never the cause for his team to die.

[Ramikadyc]

Quite a stretch putting so much blame on one person because of vague comments, especially when she says "someone who can command loyalty through experience." I have to say, that was pretty bad interpretation on your part. Hardly her fault, since she's clearly implying that you need someone with leadership experience to command team loyalty--afterall, you are choosing a Fireteam leader to be the leader of your troops, and choosing an assassin who has always worked alone, secretly, from the shadows and from a distance... come on, man, that was just a bad call on your part, don't be blaming Miranda...

[Lmaoboat]

Blaming saying Garrus is a bade leader because his team died is like saying someone is a bad coach because a big-rig tore onto the field and killed all the players.

[Ramikadyc]

Lmaoboat wrote...

Blaming saying Garrus is a bade leader because his team died is like saying someone is a bad coach because a big-rig tore onto the field and killed all the players.

Haha, thanks for that.