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[Gill Kaiser]

Congratulations, you fell for a red herring.

It boggles my mind that someone could choose anyone but Jack or Samara for the biotic section. I mean, come on.

[yummysoap]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

 When I first played ME2 and I got to the part where you are choosing the fireteam leader Miranda pipes in and says something to the effect of "You need someone who can command loyalty through experience," and I was like, who has the most experience?  I chose than because I didn't like Zaeed enough to use him.  I'm thinkin' "Thane has been killing for his whole life, and if I'm sending him with characters I care about I want them to have the best chance of staying alive."  Garrus didn't even cross my mind because, lets be honest, the last time he led a squad his whole squad got killed.  I didn't consider Jacob because he never seemed like a leader, more of a follower.  And the comment Jack makes when Miranda tries to lead made me think she wouldn't work either.  So the three people I thought least likely to work as fireteam leader are the only three that work. I had good reasons.

The second time she pipes up before a squadmate selection is when you are picking who to use as the biotic spec.  She tells you that any biotic could handle the task of maintaining a biotic field.  From what I've heard she is dead wrong.  So twice what she says can get your people killed.  Thanks miranda, I wish you had stayed on the ship.

I'm not usually one to mindlessly defend fictional characters, but can you at least use proper arguments when you're going to start a thread? You picked a solo killer who admitted to you first hand that he's not used to working with anyone but himself.

And why on earth would anyone choose a substandard biotic for a task that involves nothing but biotic endurance? Miranda may have said anyone could do it 'in theory' but that doesn't mean she was recommending you choose the worst biotic on the team.

[Ramikadyc]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Congratulations, you fell for a red herring.
It boggles my mind that someone could choose anyone but Jack or Samara for the biotic section. I mean, come on.

Haha, my thoughts exactly. Jack destroyed an entire prison ship and every defense on it, not to mention all the experiements that were performed on her and the events that go along with that. Samara is an asari commando-turned-Justicar that has lived for centuries, and she has a small-scale Yoda-vs-Palpatine battle right in front of your eyes--and is it worth mentioning that she can float in the air?

Jacob yanks a mech off a ledge, and Miranda throws an asari into some crates in a fit of rage. That's about the extent of their biotics showcasing...

Poor decisions on your part all around, OP...

[Vamp44]

You crazy.

[Asheer_Khan]

Now when my Shepard have AR skill i would set up shield suqad in form Zaeed, Garrus and my Vanguard Shepard whit AR as fire support and Jack as shield holder... Good luck for collectors in any attempt to stop me.

Miri is good leader for second Fire team and i am sure having Sam (AR holder as well) in that team will increase thier odds of survival.

In all my three runs i don't lost anybody so far and don't plan to loosing anybody either in fourth run.

[Jarcander]

Yes, Miranda is a terrible person for caring a sister she has never met so much. And the way how she dedicates her life to protect humanity, how dare she! And the way she quit Cerberus on Paragon ending because TIM went too far, just outrageous!!1



i lub her (in a friendly virtual way)

[Mondo47]

I wouldn't say she's a horrible person because of that... I'd say her advice is a mite misleading. I do wish she wouldn't swan around saying she's Shep's second in command, though... sorry babe, that's Garrus's job

[Markinator_123]

People should realize that you are only given an idea of you should pick to do these jobs. Don't blame Miranda for your poor choice

[Jeremy Winston]

While I agree that the OPs decision was poorly considered, Miranda does play kind of the fool in the suicide mission. It doesn't really make sense.



But, as written, she goes out of her way to try to fool you into picking the wrong people. It's probably a way of causing tension... and make you wonder if you picked the right person when she disagrees with you.



1) If you pick Samara as a fire team leader, Miranda thinks it's a fabulous choice.

2) If you pick Garrus, she makes a snide comment to the effect of "I guess he'll do."

3) Her biotic comment is designed to try and draw you off your primary biotics. You should note, however, that she's correct. ANY biotic can do it. In this particular case, only two have the endurance to get through the entire end.



Where would the thrill have been if she gave you accurate advice? You'd just follow it and be golden. This was an attempt to force you to LEAD on your own logic.



Too bad she comes off as an idiot, though. I'm actually fairly fond of her.

[RiverRat]

Come on folks. Miranda's not a person. She was grown in a test tube. She's like what, a Clone Commando (Star Wars) with T&A?

[yummysoap]

Jeremy Winston wrote...

While I agree that the OPs decision was poorly considered, Miranda does play kind of the fool in the suicide mission. It doesn't really make sense.

But, as written, she goes out of her way to try to fool you into picking the wrong people. It's probably a way of causing tension... and make you wonder if you picked the right person when she disagrees with you.

1) If you pick Samara as a fire team leader, Miranda thinks it's a fabulous choice.
2) If you pick Garrus, she makes a snide comment to the effect of "I guess he'll do."
3) Her biotic comment is designed to try and draw you off your primary biotics. You should note, however, that she's correct. ANY biotic can do it. In this particular case, only two have the endurance to get through the entire end.

Where would the thrill have been if she gave you accurate advice? You'd just follow it and be golden. This was an attempt to force you to LEAD on your own logic.

Too bad she comes off as an idiot, though. I'm actually fairly fond of her.

Exactly. It was designed to make you unsure of anything you chose. Unfortunately poor Miranda looks like an idiot because of it.

[ExtremeOne]

Miranda is a true leader and she proves it in the game. She can also do the biotic bubble.

[Jeremy Winston]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Miranda is a true leader and she proves it in the game. She can also do the biotic bubble.

She can, but I think you lose a member if you try.

[ExtremeOne]

Jeremy Winston wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Miranda is a true leader and she proves it in the game. She can also do the biotic bubble.

She can, but I think you lose a member if you try.

 


I am fine with losing people like Tali  and Jack. She backs up her talk with action. I think we all need to understand truly Tali and Garrus were in ME 2 for pure fan service nothing else. Oh and Miranda is Shepard's 1 st officer not Garrus 

[Asheer_Khan]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Miranda is a true leader and she proves it in the game. She can also do the biotic bubble.

Nobody deny that fact but key factor to not picking her for buble is that you pay high price for such choice when one of your team mates will be taken out by seekers because Miri will be dead tired at the end of that walk.

Sam is ex Asari commando and soon to me matriarch whit centuries of experience in usage of her biotic powers (i can assumed that human biotic could reach similar to her level if he will use L20 implants but i doubt if he will survive such experience and her fight whit Morinth show pretty much what she is really capable) and Jack... she  is artoficlal maximized biotic (heck on prugatory she was able to 1 hit KO three MIRV mechs) whit pretty good self control over her powers..
But Miri... whit all respect for her but she is maybe L5 (ME 2 standard for biotics)  and that's why she will fail at the end of the road if she will be buble holder.

Beside at the final for bube run cutscene is shown pretty good that  (in my case) Sam despite fact that she was tired she still were able to generate powerfull shockwave to push back Collectors chase.
I am not sure but something tells me that even Liara is more powerful biotic than Miri, but on the other hand if we recall who was her mother (the most powerful Asari matriarch) that's no wonder;)

Edit:

Please can you explain your hatred toward ME 1?
Because i see more and more your posts formally attacking everything related to ME 1 so it would clarify many things if you tell us why you hate so  much first part of this series?

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 27 février 2010 - 02:21 .

[Apollo Starflare]

I picked Garrus for the fireteam both times without a second of doubt. If you've followed his story then you should know he's the best leader behind Shepard on your team. In a way Garrus is Shep's protege (with reach ;p) so it made those scenes even more appropriate for me.



As for the biotic bubble, while I agree Miranda suggests anyone could do the job it's only her opinion (and she has an inflated opinion of herself, it comes up in conversation even). The obvious choice for me was Sam or Jack, I went with Jack as I had been using her in my team previously anyway.



As I hadn't spoiled myself in regards to what decisions to make beforehand I had a moments worry when Jack starts to struggle towards the end, but it turned out fine.

[DemonSlayer_1]

Jack is your strongest biotic period, Samara being second, and Miranda being third.

This is just my thinking and how I chose for my suicide mission

Thane is an assassin - He's very good at sneaking
He goes thru the ducts

Zaeed is a Mercenary who commanded the blue suns 20 years ago
He has experience in fire teams and military combat tactics.

He leads my first fire team always

Garrus was a C-Sec officer who never really ever took a fire team leaders position, zaeed knows how to command. Garrus is fire team two's support gunner for zaeed.

Jack is my strongest biotic, so she can maintain the bubble thru endurance when going thru the seeker swarms.

Samara is my second strongest biotic, she is powerful enough to escort and defend the SR-2 crew back to the normandy.

Garrus is finally given his chance to lead the second assault team for the final push

If you want to see the full videos click on my youtube channel in my signature....
Suicide mission choices recorded

Military combat tactics and strategy  - Final mission is easy to choose your squad.

Who can lead?
Who's best at stealth?
Who can cast a barrier around the SR-2 Crew?
Who can maintain a bubble for the swarm?

[Jackal904]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

 When I first played ME2 and I got to the part where you are choosing the fireteam leader Miranda pipes in and says something to the effect of "You need someone who can command loyalty through experience," and I was like, who has the most experience?  I chose than because I didn't like Zaeed enough to use him.  I'm thinkin' "Thane has been killing for his whole life, and if I'm sending him with characters I care about I want them to have the best chance of staying alive."  Garrus didn't even cross my mind because, lets be honest, the last time he led a squad his whole squad got killed.  I didn't consider Jacob because he never seemed like a leader, more of a follower.  And the comment Jack makes when Miranda tries to lead made me think she wouldn't work either.  So the three people I thought least likely to work as fireteam leader are the only three that work. I had good reasons.

Wait. Jack is a good choice to lead the fireteam? I like Jack and all but I would never think she could lead a group of people.

[jojon2se]

ExtremeOne wrote...
I am fine with losing people like Tali  and Jack. She backs up her talk with action. I think we all need to understand truly Tali and Garrus were in ME 2 for pure fan service nothing else. Oh and Miranda is Shepard's 1 st officer not Garrus 

Of course; the action does not quite live up to the talk.

I hope to see Miranda become less obsessed with proving herself in ME3. Maybe even get closer to Jack along the way, seeing the similarities between them. If SuZe is indeed something of a fast-burning candle, paying for her heightened biotic prowess with reduced life span through myelin degradation, I could see Miranda take on a bit of a caring sister-role again. She's not likely to manage completely throwing off her  talking down to people and Jack may never come to accept anything, completely or at all, but I'd like to see them come to more-or-less understand and tolerate each other.

[Gill Kaiser]

DemonSlayer_1 wrote...

Jack is your strongest biotic period, Samara being second, and Miranda being third.

Jack's got the most raw power, Samara's got more precision control and endurance.

[ExtremeOne]

jojon2se wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
I am fine with losing people like Tali  and Jack. She backs up her talk with action. I think we all need to understand truly Tali and Garrus were in ME 2 for pure fan service nothing else. Oh and Miranda is Shepard's 1 st officer not Garrus 

Of course; the action does not quite live up to the talk.

I hope to see Miranda become less obsessed with proving herself in ME3. Maybe even get closer to Jack along the way, seeing the similarities between them. If SuZe is indeed something of a fast-burning candle, paying for her heightened biotic prowess with reduced life span through myelin degradation, I could see Miranda take on a bit of a caring sister-role again. She's not likely to manage completely throwing off her  talking down to people and Jack may never come to accept anything, completely or at all, but I'd like to see them come to more-or-less understand and tolerate each other.

 


I disagree Miranda is fine the way she is. If you do not like the way she is thats ok but ME 3 needs more of Miranda than it does some stupid alien bimbo like Tali or Jack who acts like a bald headed B in the game. 

[Asheer_Khan]

Somehow i agree whit Sam as escort but lets not forget that she could be valuable asset for second "Hold the line" part (powerful biotic and AR skill) when Jack (if you not take her to tea party whit TermiReaper) uses only pistols so would be wise keeping Sam whit rest of the fire support and send Jack or Thane as escort.
Thane work well as escort in my case even when he was unloyal (i pick him too late for doing his loyalty mission because  right after return on Normandy abduction part fired up in my first run) because i think odds for abducted crew survival way to Normandy depend how strong is fire support acting not only as Shepard's defensive but as distraction from Normandy's crew dragging general attention of the collectors on them so crew could be practicly ignored in thier way.
Perhaps Collector General think watched running to Normandy crew "Let's ignore them for now and maintain focus on Shepard, there will be in off time later on to recapture those "ingrediens" for our latest human shake recepy.".

Of course that will never happened in both Paragon and renegade ends.

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 27 février 2010 - 02:42 .

[Jeremy Winston]

I don't know. Jack has tremendous room for character development.



She's finally with a group of people who are not trying to take advantage of her. She's got a mission she's starting to care about (if you take her death lines seriously). Going through the Paragon dialog shows her to be a typical **** with a soft interior.



While people complain about it, I think the fact that her loyalty outfit has her putting on a shirt says quite a bit where her character could go.

[Bigdoser]

ExtremeOne wrote...

jojon2se wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
I am fine with losing people like Tali  and Jack. She backs up her talk with action. I think we all need to understand truly Tali and Garrus were in ME 2 for pure fan service nothing else. Oh and Miranda is Shepard's 1 st officer not Garrus 

Of course; the action does not quite live up to the talk.

I hope to see Miranda become less obsessed with proving herself in ME3. Maybe even get closer to Jack along the way, seeing the similarities between them. If SuZe is indeed something of a fast-burning candle, paying for her heightened biotic prowess with reduced life span through myelin degradation, I could see Miranda take on a bit of a caring sister-role again. She's not likely to manage completely throwing off her  talking down to people and Jack may never come to accept anything, completely or at all, but I'd like to see them come to more-or-less understand and tolerate each other.

 


I disagree Miranda is fine the way she is. If you do not like the way she is thats ok but ME 3 needs more of Miranda than it does some stupid alien bimbo like Tali or Jack who acts like a bald headed B in the game. 

Wow you sure do have alot of hate for jack and tali why do you hate them so much?

[Skilled Seeker]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

challenger18 wrote...

So you thought of a solo killer who has never lead a team before as "leadership through experience"? Also, she says technically any biotic can do it, but it would be a task of endurance, something I would want a powerful biotic to do. I can only think of two powerful biotics that are on your squad.

Hey, man she said experience! Other than garrus and miranda no one has experience leading a team, so thane is as good as anybody.  Besides, I like thane.  And as I said in th OP, i didn't choose Garrus or Miranda because of the death of teammembers and team animosity respectively.

Jacob also has experience leading. If you bothered to listen to him during conversations he used to own a private vessel during his time with the Alliance.