Lots of people seem to be debating the consequences of keeping or destroying the Collector base and at face value yes, it seems like a groundbreaking decision. Give Reaper technology to a racist megalomaniac or destroy it forever.
That's the big decision of ME2.
But then I think back to the big decision of ME1 - save the Council, or let them die.
Way back when people were also debating the importance of this, as it could change the power of the galaxy! Alien council vs. human hegemony or some such!
Then ME2 came, and what do we find out?
If you save the Council, they appear in one scene where they are stupid.
If you let them die as Paragon, a replacement Council appears in one scene where they are stupid.
If you let them die as Renegade, a human Council appears in one scene where they are stupid.
The consequences? Cosmetic, at best. I suppose it's the nature of making a videogame on time but..
It won't be as important as you think.
It won't be as important as you think.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 12:53
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i'm still holding out hope that your choices will have more drastic consequences in ME3. i can understand the difficulty of sweeping changes in the second installment causing so many different variables for the last.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 12:58
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IMO it's more likely to have lasting effect this time, because it's the final game in the trilogy.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 01:01
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I think there will be 'dire consesquences' from a narrative. But I do not think it will effect the endgame gameplay as much. It might change your epilogue from "Happy go lucky universe" to "oh noes evil humans everywhere! ruling the galaxy" but even then, that option will be available to a defualt game of ME3 too, so the base can't be the only factor involved of poping out that story. It won't change how hard or easy it is to finish ME3, and it won't change your possible ending, only make some more likely than others.
Any reall impact it will have is on the dialogues the NPCs will have and possiblely a mission or two will be different. More likely one thant two, since Bioware will not want to do too many missions that not everyone will see.
In short, it will have a large impact on the narrative and the story, but I don't think it will 180 any of the actual gameplay moments.
Any reall impact it will have is on the dialogues the NPCs will have and possiblely a mission or two will be different. More likely one thant two, since Bioware will not want to do too many missions that not everyone will see.
In short, it will have a large impact on the narrative and the story, but I don't think it will 180 any of the actual gameplay moments.
Modifié par Madecologist, 27 février 2010 - 01:02 .
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 01:06
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At least it mirrors real-world politics. But it would be nice if it'd had a more visible effect; it didn't have to be game-changing, just "more".The Angry One wrote...
Then ME2 came, and what do we find out?
If you save the Council, they appear in one scene where they are stupid.
If you let them die as Paragon, a replacement Council appears in one scene where they are stupid.
If you let them die as Renegade, a human Council appears in one scene where they are stupid.
I'm more miffed about not being able to go for a wander around the Praesidium, though.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 01:12
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The Angry One wrote...
Lots of people seem to be debating the consequences of keeping or destroying the Collector base and at face value yes, it seems like a groundbreaking decision. Give Reaper technology to a racist megalomaniac or destroy it forever.
That's the big decision of ME2.
But then I think back to the big decision of ME1 - save the Council, or let them die.
Way back when people were also debating the importance of this, as it could change the power of the galaxy! Alien council vs. human hegemony or some such!
Then ME2 came, and what do we find out?
If you save the Council, they appear in one scene where they are stupid.
If you let them die as Paragon, a replacement Council appears in one scene where they are stupid.
If you let them die as Renegade, a human Council appears in one scene where they are stupid.
The consequences? Cosmetic, at best. I suppose it's the nature of making a videogame on time but..
It won't be as important as you think.
Indeed.
"Dire" consequences?
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 01:16
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I would disagree. You're analyzing the consequences of a decision made two years ago, in chapter 2 of a trilogy. I would say it is too soon to suggest the council decision in ME1 can be summarized by a single cameo cinematic. I'm willing to bet all decisions will seem more significant in ME3, hence the narrative of a trilogy.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 01:22
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The Angry One wrote...
Lots of people seem to be debating the consequences of keeping or destroying the Collector base and at face value yes, it seems like a groundbreaking decision. Give Reaper technology to a racist megalomaniac or destroy it forever.
That's the big decision of ME2.
But then I think back to the big decision of ME1 - save the Council, or let them die.
Way back when people were also debating the importance of this, as it could change the power of the galaxy! Alien council vs. human hegemony or some such!
Then ME2 came, and what do we find out?
If you save the Council, they appear in one scene where they are stupid.
If you let them die as Paragon, a replacement Council appears in one scene where they are stupid.
If you let them die as Renegade, a human Council appears in one scene where they are stupid.
The consequences? Cosmetic, at best. I suppose it's the nature of making a videogame on time but..
It won't be as important as you think.
Ah, yes... "BIG CHOICES"...
That'll be a very sad thing. Hope is they didn't implement the crucial consequences in ME2, because it's the middle part of the trilogy, and all the big decisions, as well as yet unaccounted for small ones (Terra Firma, Negotiator's pills quests), as well as the C-Base decision will have a significant impact in the end of ME3, and not merely cosmetic, at that.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 01:37
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Now i known why ME 2 (and very possible ME 3) have new lead writer... because Drew Karpshyn who write ME 1 scenario is now a lead writer for SW ToR...
Like i posted in other thread about ME 3, my stance for that part after ME 2 is "Ah yes... Mass effect 3..."
I hope that this game won't be a final nail to coffin of my trust in Bioware's ability for creating good games.
And one more thing, when you will look for example at review of DAO 2 compare lead writers and you will get answer if game will hold original plot.
Of course i will finish ME 3 just to see how Shepard story will end but frankly my expectations are pretty low so i will not suffer any serious disappointement if ME 3 will come out as uterly fail end of the series.
Like i posted in other thread about ME 3, my stance for that part after ME 2 is "Ah yes... Mass effect 3..."
I hope that this game won't be a final nail to coffin of my trust in Bioware's ability for creating good games.
And one more thing, when you will look for example at review of DAO 2 compare lead writers and you will get answer if game will hold original plot.
Of course i will finish ME 3 just to see how Shepard story will end but frankly my expectations are pretty low so i will not suffer any serious disappointement if ME 3 will come out as uterly fail end of the series.
Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 27 février 2010 - 01:43 .
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 01:40
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Hmm... ME3 gather-forces/circumvent-indoctrination-probable-main-mission consequences of this decision... Maybe something like:
Saving the Destiny ascension (and the council along with it): Status quo on the military balance issue. Asari/Turian/Human fleet strengths remain proportionally and probably numerically constant.
Sacrificing DA+council, promoting Anderson: The asari just about scraps their fleet and hand their "mil.force responsibility allotments" to the Turians, likely resulting in a large-ish number of smaller dreadnaughts, possibly with new Thanix class weaponry, in place of fewer big ones with older BFGs. Human reaction to shift in "terror balance"?
Sacrificing DA+council, promoting Udina: Same as above, more Human/Turian stockpiling?
EDIT: Killed a few linefeeds... EDIT2: Put them back in.
Saving the Destiny ascension (and the council along with it): Status quo on the military balance issue. Asari/Turian/Human fleet strengths remain proportionally and probably numerically constant.
Sacrificing DA+council, promoting Anderson: The asari just about scraps their fleet and hand their "mil.force responsibility allotments" to the Turians, likely resulting in a large-ish number of smaller dreadnaughts, possibly with new Thanix class weaponry, in place of fewer big ones with older BFGs. Human reaction to shift in "terror balance"?
Sacrificing DA+council, promoting Udina: Same as above, more Human/Turian stockpiling?
EDIT: Killed a few linefeeds... EDIT2: Put them back in.
Modifié par jojon2se, 27 février 2010 - 01:44 .
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 01:41
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Ah yes... "consequences", we have dismissed that claim.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 01:55
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Or it will be every bit as important as you think.
You're focusing on the immediate gains and benefits for Shepard but the status of the Council affects worlds; if you listen to the Galactic News you'll learn letting the Council die means 1) no Destiny Ascension, 2) the Asari cede their defense obligations to the Turians, 3) the Turians don't get any friendlier with humans, and 4) the Spectres lose much of their status.
In ME2 you die if you fail to upgrade the Normandy, secure your team's loyalty, and send the wrong people to do the wrong jobs. ME3 will most likely have similar parallels where you lose the war if you fail to strengthen your fleets, sow distrust among your allies, and put the wrong people in charge (or rather prevent the right people from getting to power, like Wrex and Anderson).
But this rather pointless because we're speculating on a game that doesn't exist yet.
You're focusing on the immediate gains and benefits for Shepard but the status of the Council affects worlds; if you listen to the Galactic News you'll learn letting the Council die means 1) no Destiny Ascension, 2) the Asari cede their defense obligations to the Turians, 3) the Turians don't get any friendlier with humans, and 4) the Spectres lose much of their status.
In ME2 you die if you fail to upgrade the Normandy, secure your team's loyalty, and send the wrong people to do the wrong jobs. ME3 will most likely have similar parallels where you lose the war if you fail to strengthen your fleets, sow distrust among your allies, and put the wrong people in charge (or rather prevent the right people from getting to power, like Wrex and Anderson).
But this rather pointless because we're speculating on a game that doesn't exist yet.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 02:04
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Surely the reason saving the Council had no real ramifications in ME2 was because they weren't involved in ME2's story at all... ME2 was set in the Terminus systems, well outside the effective reach of the Council's influence. It would have made no sense to tell us of the decisions that were being made by whichever Council players chose to implement.
ME3, however, will no doubt move back to Council space. The suicide mission's over, for better or worse, and Shep and his crew will likely move back to the Citadel for the majority of ME3 to use it as a base of operations for the anti-Reaper war. I think we'll definitely see the consequences of which Council you chose by the time Mass Effect 3 ends.
ME3, however, will no doubt move back to Council space. The suicide mission's over, for better or worse, and Shep and his crew will likely move back to the Citadel for the majority of ME3 to use it as a base of operations for the anti-Reaper war. I think we'll definitely see the consequences of which Council you chose by the time Mass Effect 3 ends.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 02:14
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Reserving judgement 'til ME3.
I was disappointed with the lack of impact my ME1 choices had in ME2, but they still have ME3 to turn that around and impress me with an adaptive storyline heavily influenced by the choices I made in ME1 and ME2. If they don't, then meh .. that'll suck .. but ME3 will undoubtedly be a great game nonetheless.
I was disappointed with the lack of impact my ME1 choices had in ME2, but they still have ME3 to turn that around and impress me with an adaptive storyline heavily influenced by the choices I made in ME1 and ME2. If they don't, then meh .. that'll suck .. but ME3 will undoubtedly be a great game nonetheless.
