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Vanguards -- Are Pull and Shockwave useful on higher difficulties?


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If you want me to actually film a speed run I can and will crush your gimped adept styled video.


This is why I don't care for the reave spam vanguard. It is a poor mans adept at that point. It essentially weakens the Vanguard class by hybridizing it into some Adept/Vanguard class thats not as good as either. 

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If you want me to actually film a speed run I can and will crush your gimped adept styled video.


You sound like you are about to cry that my run is better in all aspects including time, damage taken, accuracy than your run. You think because a dev posted a couple of your videos that your the king of vanguards? Give me a break.

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sinosleep wrote...

@Sabresandiego
My vid is quicker than yours. You simply aren't taking starting position and time into the equation and basing it entirely off of full video length.

My vid starts
34 seconds in
ends at 4:50
294 seconds total seconds subtract 34 for
258 total seconds

Your vid

7 seconds in
ends at 4:43
283 seconds subtract 7
276 total seconds

And most importantly Rumination888's vid in which AS A SOLDIER he doesn't use his gun and uses nothing but reave is even quicker than yours. Which shows how grossly overpowered reave is on that particular mission, and that had I chosen to be cheap and brought Samara with me I could have easily cleared the mission much quicker.

19 seconds in
ends at 4:45
285 total seconds subtract 19 seconds
266 seconds total


are you completely retarded? All the videos you just listed skipped the last fight and ran to the button. If I did that, my video ends a good 30 seconds before all of them, and Im not even trying for speed. Not to mention Im the only one who never falls below 100% health.


You also didn't have to deal with 2 rather unfortunately wandering Harbingers and the "stuck facing one direction" glitch that sino got that chewed up about 8+ seconds by itself.  

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Ok, how is filming a quicker run than you when I get home crying you muppet? I'm going to get home, then prove your retarded ass wrong.

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I think a true test of skill for a class is playing sans-bonus ability.
It's not in the vein of what your class is and it gives a twist that feels unnatural.
Your runs may be faster (in your head) but they are inherently less vanguard.


How is my pull barrier video less vanguard? Its actually faster than my reave video, and barrier is hardly a special worth mentioning when compared to reave.


It's less vanguard because the intellectual development of Vanguard was based around his Charge ability and a more conservative play style eschews that. I think the vast majority of the public agrees Vanguard is designed to be a highly aggressive highly risky class. No one can fault anyone for playing their class the way they wish it to but to label your style as most tactical or most efficient is just absurd. This debate is truly and definitely null and dead. Different strokes for different folks. I mean if you like to play a less aggressive and therefore obviously more awesome style go ahead. But us menfolk will be busy charging and destroying.

Edit: and ladyfolk.

Modifié par xedgorex, 02 mars 2010 - 05:24 .


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Sabresandiego wrote...

Omega-202 wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...


Like I said, they werent speed runs. I was trying to film a tutorial. They just happened to be faster than every other video I watched. I can film a speed run and post it if you want. The whole point is tactical doesnt mean slow and boring. It means controlled aggression.


Because obviously everyone else sits at their computer/Xbox fuming with unchained blind rage and no tactical forethought.  

Your videos and guides show conservatism.  They are no more tactical than Sinosleep's or Kronner or my play style. 
High risk and what appears to you to be reckless does not absolutely negate the facts that they are tactical.  

And if your videos are faster than every other one you've seen, I'm not sure you've watched enough.  


If you dont like the way I play, play however you want. I'm not forcing my playstyle down your throat.

Second, please link me to a faster and cleaner clear than my own of suicide run part 1. It's not that I dont think they exist (like I said my video isnt a speed run), I just havent seen one and would like to.


I don't compete for speed when I make my videos unless I label it a speedrun.
Most of my vids have me doing something silly or purposely using an inferior setup if you watch close enough.

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Sabresandiego wrote...

sinosleep wrote...

If you want me to actually film a speed run I can and will crush your gimped adept styled video.


You sound like you are about to cry that my run is better in all aspects including time, damage taken, accuracy than your run. You think because a dev posted a couple of your videos that your the king of vanguards? Give me a break.



No need to get into insults. At least my insults are masked in my argument :D

Also everyone knows I'm king of the Vanguards :police:

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sinosleep wrote...

Ok, how is filming a quicker run than you when I get home crying you muppet? I'm going to get home, then prove your retarded ass wrong.


What will filming a quicker run prove? If I film a speed run I could film a quicker run too. This isnt a competition, and name calling just proves how angry you are

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RamsenC wrote...
Also everyone knows I'm king of the Vanguards :police:


It's hard to argue against that since you have a beard.

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Sabresandiego wrote...

sinosleep wrote...

Ok, how is filming a quicker run than you when I get home crying you muppet? I'm going to get home, then prove your retarded ass wrong.


What will filming a quicker run prove? If I film a speed run I could film a quicker run too. This isnt a competition, and name calling just proves how angry you are


Says the guy who was the first to make an insulting post, that's rich. 

If you are so sure you can make a quicker one, than make a speed run now, and we'll compare. 

[edit here]

To Kronner and Thisisme8, when the devs have worshiped at the foot of your greatness as they have mine, then you can consider someone other than myself as king of the vanguards. 

Modifié par sinosleep, 02 mars 2010 - 05:32 .


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Sabresandiego wrote...

sinosleep wrote...

Ok, how is filming a quicker run than you when I get home crying you muppet? I'm going to get home, then prove your retarded ass wrong.


What will filming a quicker run prove? If I film a speed run I could film a quicker run too. This isnt a competition, and name calling just proves how angry you are


YOU made it a competition.  Let me quote you: 

Sabresandiego wrote...


I must play tactically because Im not good enough to be reckless I guess. It is kind of odd though how I clear the levels faster than the reckless players and with 100% health the entire time.


You called everyone else out with a giant ego wave.  YOU started this.  

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sinosleep wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

sinosleep wrote...

Ok, how is filming a quicker run than you when I get home crying you muppet? I'm going to get home, then prove your retarded ass wrong.


What will filming a quicker run prove? If I film a speed run I could film a quicker run too. This isnt a competition, and name calling just proves how angry you are


Says the guy who was the first to make an insulting post, that's rich. 

If you are so sure you can make a quicker one, than make a speed run now, and we'll compare. 


You started this by falsely reporting your video as a faster run, when clearly it is significantly slower. I called you out on the fact that you skipped the last fight, and when you realized that you started name calling.

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Omega-202 wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

sinosleep wrote...

Ok, how is filming a quicker run than you when I get home crying you muppet? I'm going to get home, then prove your retarded ass wrong.


What will filming a quicker run prove? If I film a speed run I could film a quicker run too. This isnt a competition, and name calling just proves how angry you are


YOU made it a competition.  Let me quote you: 

Sabresandiego wrote...


I must play tactically because Im not good enough to be reckless I guess. It is kind of odd though how I clear the levels faster than the reckless players and with 100% health the entire time.


You called everyone else out with a giant ego wave.  YOU started this.  


You are taking that post out of context. Ramsen made a statement with a hidden insult to me, and I responded with sarcasm. It wasnt my ego wave, it was a sarcastic response to an insult by Ramsen.

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Who mentioned crying? I believe you did. That would make YOURS the first insulting post. I just don't try to sneak in my insults and throw them in your face.

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nerds

#141
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mak123 wrote...

nerds


You win.

#142
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RamsenC wrote...
You win.


Indeed. Although I'm still the vanguard king.

Modifié par sinosleep, 02 mars 2010 - 05:41 .


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sinosleep wrote...

RamsenC wrote...
You win.


Indeed. Although I'm still the vanguard king.


RamsenC has a beard...

#144
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thisisme8 wrote...

sinosleep wrote...

RamsenC wrote...
You win.


Indeed. Although I'm still the vanguard king.


RamsenC has a beard...


I have a beard in real life. 

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sinosleep wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

sinosleep wrote...

RamsenC wrote...
You win.


Indeed. Although I'm still the vanguard king.


RamsenC has a beard...


I have a beard in real life. 


Touché.

#146
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on your vag1na

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mak123 wrote...

on your vag1na


If I was a woman, that might be true. 

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*starts growing beard*

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alright

#150
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RamsenC wrote...

*starts growing beard*


Dude, your avatar has the manliest beard ever and now you tell me you don't have one?!