Was just thinking about how no one believe shep about the reapers, wouldn't this have been the perfect opportunity to tell the Turian councelor to shove his air quotes? Oh really, you think it was Geth technology, I didn't know the geth were around 35 million years ago...
Derelict Reaper
Débuté par
Daeion
, févr. 27 2010 07:47
Retour en haut
#2
Posté 27 février 2010 - 07:48
SparksX
-
- Members
- 155 messages
Maybe shep will use it as evidence at the start of ME3
#4
Posté 27 février 2010 - 07:51
cancausecancer
-
- Members
- 274 messages
It would never be a good time to tell them. They're incompetent and will only jeopardize future missions. It's best we keep that technology to ourselves.
#5
Posté 27 février 2010 - 07:54
Xandurpein
-
- Members
- 3 045 messages
Unfortunatly the thing lost stability and was probably destroyed as it crashed on the brown dwarf (or something... wasn't it?)
#6
Posté 27 février 2010 - 07:55
SparksX
-
- Members
- 155 messages
Xandurpein wrote...
Unfortunatly the thing lost stability and was probably destroyed as it crashed on the brown dwarf (or something... wasn't it?)
oh yeah, forgot about that...
Ah well let's hope Shepard made some scans with his omni-tool then
#7
Posté 27 février 2010 - 07:56
Daeion
-
- Members
- 1 896 messages
SparksX wrote...
Maybe shep will use it as evidence at the start of ME3
But won't shep run into the same issue's he ran into in ME? Only his crew saw this reaper and it was destroyed so there's no trace if it anymore.
#8
Posté 27 février 2010 - 08:06
Vanaer
-
- Members
- 442 messages
Shepard still doesn't have any proof. And let's be realistic, if I was a politician in the Council, I would also disdain this as the ranting of a marine officer with a serious PTSS. Come on, Ancient Machines bent on destroying us for reasons we can not comprehend? Man, that only happens in video games.
#9
Posté 27 février 2010 - 08:10
cronshaw8
-
- Members
- 631 messages
Why does everyone think that the council is being straight up with Shepard and the Alliance? My guess is they like Shepard out there gumming up the works for the bad guys, but they still don't trust the Alliance enough to let them in on what they know about Reapers and Sovereign. Thus the sandbagging by the council and the Turian councilor in particular. They get the best of both worlds a pissed off shepard out there kicking collector ass and they still hold some cards close to the vest.
#10
Posté 27 février 2010 - 09:30
Vanaer
-
- Members
- 442 messages
I think this is also a viable option. They could well held out information on you, since you're vaguely associated with Cerberus. It's also a way for TIM to keep you in (by releasing 'carefully disguised leaks').cronshaw8 wrote...
Why does everyone think that the council is being straight up with Shepard and the Alliance? My guess is they like Shepard out there gumming up the works for the bad guys, but they still don't trust the Alliance enough to let them in on what they know about Reapers and Sovereign. Thus the sandbagging by the council and the Turian councilor in particular. They get the best of both worlds a pissed off shepard out there kicking collector ass and they still hold some cards close to the vest.
#11
Posté 27 février 2010 - 09:39
Daeion
-
- Members
- 1 896 messages
Vanaer wrote...
Shepard still doesn't have any proof. And let's be realistic, if I was a politician in the Council, I would also disdain this as the ranting of a marine officer with a serious PTSS. Come on, Ancient Machines bent on destroying us for reasons we can not comprehend? Man, that only happens in video games.
I know shepard doesn't have proof now, but wouldn't the reaper have been the perfect proof? Fire of a message to Anderson or whoever and get them to get a Specter or Salarian STG squad out there?
#12
Posté 27 février 2010 - 09:40
Daeion
-
- Members
- 1 896 messages
cronshaw8 wrote...
Why does everyone think that the council is being straight up with Shepard and the Alliance? My guess is they like Shepard out there gumming up the works for the bad guys, but they still don't trust the Alliance enough to let them in on what they know about Reapers and Sovereign. Thus the sandbagging by the council and the Turian councilor in particular. They get the best of both worlds a pissed off shepard out there kicking collector ass and they still hold some cards close to the vest.
Except if you have a human lead council there wouldn't be any distrust of the Alliance.
#13
Posté 27 février 2010 - 09:44
Vanaer
-
- Members
- 442 messages
Even so, it's just one very old ship. One can easily discard it as being ancient and even evil (Indoctrination), but it is still an enormous ancient ship. It's not like it was saying: I AM THE VANGUARD OF YOUR DESTRUCTION.Daeion wrote...
Vanaer wrote...
Shepard still doesn't have any proof. And let's be realistic, if I was a politician in the Council, I would also disdain this as the ranting of a marine officer with a serious PTSS. Come on, Ancient Machines bent on destroying us for reasons we can not comprehend? Man, that only happens in video games.
I know shepard doesn't have proof now, but wouldn't the reaper have been the perfect proof? Fire of a message to Anderson or whoever and get them to get a Specter or Salarian STG squad out there?
But then again, perhaps I think this way because I'm a politician.
#14
Posté 27 février 2010 - 09:47
Mnemnosyne
-
- Members
- 859 messages
Yep, this is probably one of the weaker points in the story. As soon as TIM tells you about the derelict reaper, you should be able to go report to the Council and give them the information you've been given, so they can damn well confirm it.
Just it's existence would be enough to lend serious credibility to your story, and completely debunk the 'Sovereign is a geth creation' idea, since the geth weren't around 37 million years ago, and the combination of evidence that is the great rift on Klendagon, the gun that fired the mass accelerator round, and the reaper, would be enough to prove its age (the way stellar mechanics work, those three objects would only be perfectly lined up for a shot like that at one moment in history, most likely, thus the math proves the age).
But, as things go it's a smaller plot hole than the ones in ME1 with Saren leaving "no evidence" on Eden Prime.
One very old ship which is identical to Sovereign.
Just it's existence would be enough to lend serious credibility to your story, and completely debunk the 'Sovereign is a geth creation' idea, since the geth weren't around 37 million years ago, and the combination of evidence that is the great rift on Klendagon, the gun that fired the mass accelerator round, and the reaper, would be enough to prove its age (the way stellar mechanics work, those three objects would only be perfectly lined up for a shot like that at one moment in history, most likely, thus the math proves the age).
But, as things go it's a smaller plot hole than the ones in ME1 with Saren leaving "no evidence" on Eden Prime.
Vanaer wrote...
Even so, it's just one very old ship. One can easily discard it as being ancient and even evil (Indoctrination), but it is still an enormous ancient ship. It's not like it was saying: I AM THE VANGUARD OF YOUR DESTRUCTION.
But then again, perhaps I think this way because I'm a politician.
One very old ship which is identical to Sovereign.
Modifié par Koyasha, 27 février 2010 - 09:48 .
#15
Posté 27 février 2010 - 09:48
TheUnusualSuspect
-
- Members
- 369 messages
I made this exact same thread yesterday, and yes, I agree with you.
Shepard should've had a choice to report the Reaper to Council/Anderson before going to look at it, at least as undeniable proof that the ship that attacked the Citadel was not a Geth construct.
The effects of indoctrination could be studied, and then it'd be fairly clear.
Then again, since it's not sentient and talking (although Shep's suit-recording of his convo with Sovereign on Virmire is pretty good evidence), I guess the Turian councillor could still stick his head in the sand and say that sure, they ships are old, but that still doesn't prove that the Geth/Saren didn't just find one, and that the ships are still not sentient and are not "Reapers".
The whole story though, you've got to admit, is very Cthulu-like, where there's these malevolent tentacled destructionist god-things, and the protagonist is the only one that truly believes, and no one else wants to admit the facade that is real, and everyone thinks you're insane until you probably do go mad with the knowledge.
Maybe that would be the twist for ME3. Shep simply goes mad...
Shepard should've had a choice to report the Reaper to Council/Anderson before going to look at it, at least as undeniable proof that the ship that attacked the Citadel was not a Geth construct.
The effects of indoctrination could be studied, and then it'd be fairly clear.
Then again, since it's not sentient and talking (although Shep's suit-recording of his convo with Sovereign on Virmire is pretty good evidence), I guess the Turian councillor could still stick his head in the sand and say that sure, they ships are old, but that still doesn't prove that the Geth/Saren didn't just find one, and that the ships are still not sentient and are not "Reapers".
The whole story though, you've got to admit, is very Cthulu-like, where there's these malevolent tentacled destructionist god-things, and the protagonist is the only one that truly believes, and no one else wants to admit the facade that is real, and everyone thinks you're insane until you probably do go mad with the knowledge.
Maybe that would be the twist for ME3. Shep simply goes mad...
Modifié par TheUnusualSuspect, 27 février 2010 - 09:56 .
#16
Posté 27 février 2010 - 09:53
Reptilian Rob
-
- Members
- 5 964 messages
HAHAHAHAHAHA, good post, sir.The Angry One wrote...
#17
Posté 27 février 2010 - 10:35
Karstedt
-
- Members
- 1 536 messages
I agree, there should have been a chance to report the Reaper. Then I could hang up on the council again, just like the good old days.
#18
Posté 27 février 2010 - 10:36
E96 B
-
- Members
- 101 messages
Silly Shep.
Waking up the evidence.
Funny that in ME1 an audio recording from a stray Quarian is irrefutable evidence, but it ME2 the council ignores half a Reaper corpse.
Maybe Cerberus could have sent the council Shep's helmet recording of the mission?
Waking up the evidence.
Funny that in ME1 an audio recording from a stray Quarian is irrefutable evidence, but it ME2 the council ignores half a Reaper corpse.
Maybe Cerberus could have sent the council Shep's helmet recording of the mission?
Modifié par E96 B, 27 février 2010 - 10:40 .
#19
Posté 27 février 2010 - 11:56
Krogan Face
-
- Members
- 171 messages
The original councils ignorance was just way to forced and one of the weaker parts of ME2.............other then the plot. 
Not to mention Shepards apparently incompetant and didnt record or download anything from Ilos.
Maybe I should have played and engineer instead of a meat head vanguard.
Not to mention Shepards apparently incompetant and didnt record or download anything from Ilos.Maybe I should have played and engineer instead of a meat head vanguard.
#20
Posté 28 février 2010 - 01:44
Daeion
-
- Members
- 1 896 messages
Vanaer wrote...
Even so, it's just one very old ship. One can easily discard it as being ancient and even evil (Indoctrination), but it is still an enormous ancient ship. It's not like it was saying: I AM THE VANGUARD OF YOUR DESTRUCTION.Daeion wrote...
Vanaer wrote...
Shepard still doesn't have any proof. And let's be realistic, if I was a politician in the Council, I would also disdain this as the ranting of a marine officer with a serious PTSS. Come on, Ancient Machines bent on destroying us for reasons we can not comprehend? Man, that only happens in video games.
I know shepard doesn't have proof now, but wouldn't the reaper have been the perfect proof? Fire of a message to Anderson or whoever and get them to get a Specter or Salarian STG squad out there?
But then again, perhaps I think this way because I'm a politician.
It may just be one very old ship, but it appears to be the exact same makeup and technology of Soveregin so at least it would kind of pot a hole in the whole Geth theroy and if the council is indoctrinated it should at least make some other people stop and think.
