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[Turkayzo]

Kill them all! They're just robots at the end of the day, besides I don't buy into Legion's LIES about "True Geth".

[DRACO1130]

Arhka wrote...

I destroyed the Heretics. Even as Paragon, giving them more reasons to cooperate with the Quarians would help broker peace between them. Also, as awesome as Legion is, I don't think Geth on the front lines would be prudent, as Reapers have already proven they can hack Geth, so what's stopping them from releasing another Virus? Rather have Geth as aces in the hole rather than a significant part of anti-Reaper forces.

I apprecaite this facet HOWEVER there is, notable by its omission, NO discussion of the Quarain Hoem worlds - Legion says the geth want to co exist peacefully - the quarians want their world back - are the 2 mutually exclusive ? ME2 doesn't permit us to try and find out.

[lost lupus]

i will distroy them everytime why well to parapharse

"we hope to understand how they reached this conclusion"

"their is no why to be sure they will not reach the same conclusion again"



now as they geth share there thoughts whats to stop other geth from joining the heretics once they understand why they reached that conclusion?



to big a risk wipe them out = less geth to worry about end of story

[BurstAngel75]

I re-wrote too

Legion says that they will return to Gelf society with their experience and memories of being heretics intact, inriching as well as unifying their society. If he had said that they will be mind wipe and "re-booted" I would have just destroyed them an be done with it.

[ExtremeOne]

rewrite them

[Delphinus]

I destroyed them, partially because I told the Admiralty board that they were sissies for not taking back their homeworlds from the Geth (who turned out to be the heretics). So it only made narrative sense for my Shepard to also blow them the $*@& up if it meant that Legion's geth would be that much weaker in the chance that they turn on humanity.



Also, the choice to destroy had one more vote than rewrite when he announced the outcome of his programs' vote

[Darkened Dragon]

ATKT wrote...


But you only find out after you make the decision (I think).

Basically I'm starting to think that whatever decision you make, the story will change so that you made the "right" choice. If there is a "right" choice--there kind of isn't. Both choices have their pros and cons.

IIRC Legion mentions that when you first get the option to choose right after being dropped off at the heretic base if you select the Investigate option.

Agreed on the multiple optioned conclusions to the choice. And knowing Bioware from when they did NWN1 ... I wouldn't doubt a possible betrayal based on various previous interactions. A part of me actually hopes for it. I would actually be all for a full geth siding with the Reaper's during the invasion and a weakened Normandy caused by possible Geth subroutines hacking when you had EDI drop the firewalls during the Legion convo's. It would make for a few interesting options .. especially with Tali doing "I told you so" type of rebuttals.

Like I said before, my Shepard's choice was based on what he would of done ... me, I'm not to trusting on programs I don't research about LOL.

[Multifarious Algorithm]

First time I did it I killed them - if the Geth are to develop as a people, then they must own their choices as a society in order to be respected as galactic citizens.

Then I thought about this a lot and realized I didn't like my conclusion: if I could take the worst serial killers or war criminials in history, and be given the same choice - I'd choose rewrite, absent an emotional compass. I'd far prefer we rebuild people into productive citizens then kill them. The Geth have this capability, why not use it?

I still don't know if I'm positive about it one way or the other.

[Geth Knight]

I rewrote the Heretics in my Paragon run. Then I'm gonna destroy them in my Renegade run.

[Vaenier]

Legion said rewrite, even if it was only by .6% vote...

[x-wrentaile]

The Codex says the Heretics are probably only 5% of the total Geth. So I re-wrote them, figuring going with the majority and having the 'former' Heretics owe me their lives was worth more than destroying such a small part of the Geth whole, not eliminating the Heretics completely, and risking angering both side.

[tropicalwave]

If I destroyed them I couldn't be the next Saren nearly as easily. I mean come on with the combined Geth on my side and no Shepard after me I can fix the galaxy...

[Delphinus]

@Vaenier Maybe it changes based on previous responses, or something, because I went through that dialogue option in front of the terminal 3 times, so I could be sure that I heard right about Legion's internal conclusion. I was full Renegade by that point, but during the quest I played it in the middle (since Tali was standing over my shoulder), only telling Legion my opinion after he finished.



I also could've heard wrong three times. It was at like 1 am.

[shnellegaming]

Rewrote them except for my one pure Renegade run through.

[Vaenier]

Delphinus wrote...

@Vaenier Maybe it changes based on previous responses, or something, because I went through that dialogue option in front of the terminal 3 times, so I could be sure that I heard right about Legion's internal conclusion. I was full Renegade by that point, but during the quest I played it in the middle (since Tali was standing over my shoulder), only telling Legion my opinion after he finished.

I also could've heard wrong three times. It was at like 1 am.

I am pretty sure he gives you the number of processes on either side, and they are only like 5 apart out of 1100 in favor of rewrite.

[Exile Isan]

I rewrote them because that decision had the majority of votes in Legion's programs. Only a 2 vote majority, but still a majority.

[Karasel]

I rewrote them, because I believe if you rewrite them it may lead to something interesting happening in the upcoming ME3 game. I'm a paragon anyway, it's apart of my description to do the nicer thing and see where things lead out.

Also, the Geth had majority consenus for rewriting the Heretics, I'll trust their logic.

Modifié par Karasel, 28 février 2010 - 05:03 .

[Kurupt87]

paragon rewrote, renegade destroyed. that said though, i have a sneaking suspicion that rewriting will have bad repurcussions, a hidden piece of code in the heretics that the virus overlooks, or in the virus itself, it was programmed by the reapers for use against the true geth, so its plausible to me that "contingency" plans were laid into its construction.

[The Happy One]

 I always rewrote them, as I don't want even one Quarian to survive if they go to war with the Geth in ME3.

[Vagula]

I think the geth will help you in ME3 whatever you choose because the geth are on your side anyway if you do the quest.



I destroid them on my second playthrough but it was pretty much a coin flip. If you rewrite them the geth might be a little stronger off to fight the Reapers but there was only a few million heretic platforms so it probably won't make a difference in the long term. The choise might affect the outcome of a possible war with quarians so I decided to wipe them out.

[Vaenier]

573 favor rewrite, 571 favor destruction.

Wow, its actually even closer, a 0.35% difference.

[NYG1991]

Interesting... On my playthrough legion had two more votes in favor of rewrite.



It was 573 to 571 or something.



He said he wasn't able to reach consensus though

[LamogiasGR]

Something interesting.. when you reach the Geth Prime you can one-shot him and the rest of the geths around him -on every difficulty- if you have M-920 Cain with you,, the massive nuclear explosion it does, completely destroyes whatever lies ahead and its really fun lol the only bad around it is that it needs lot of power cells.. But i can assure you this weapon can defeat almost every boss in game with 1 or 2 shots.. small notice.. if you gonna use it on the Grunts quest where you fight the monster (Big Game Hunter) make sure you start charging it around the time the monster emerges and you can see its health again..

Call it BFG (doom) call it M-920.. that thing wont let you down..

Modifié par LamogiasGR, 16 novembre 2011 - 01:14 .

[Obadiah]

It's an odd option.

I looked at it as more of a moral question separately from a cost/benefit analysis that I've read in this thread.

On the one hand I was appalled that the Heretics were going to reprogram (essentially brainwash) the Geth into following the Heretics. On the other, I was taken aback that Legion when given the option didn't seem to have a problem if it was done to Heretics. As others have indicated, Legion said it was racist to assume the Geth thought as humans do about such things.

The first time I rewrote the Heretics because I didn't like the idea of wiping out thousands of beings when given the option not to. The 2nd time I decided that the Heretics had made their decision on their own, and, as someone that values freedom, rewriting the Heretics was about as "wrong" as rewriting the Geth, so I destroyed the base. War is war, and the enemy picked their side.

But for me it raises the question, we live in some pretty violent times right now. If there was a human virus that could, say, affect Al Qaeda and make them change their mind and work peacefully with the Afghanistan government, should it be used as opposed to, say, bombing and bribing the crap out of them (the current plan)? My gut reaction is, "yeah, let's save some lives." That would be the cost/benefit analysis. For sure the terrorists would use it if it was available.

Is brainwashing, if feasible, a legitimate weapon of war? Certainly propaganda already is, and that is practically the same thing.

Modifié par Obadiah, 17 novembre 2011 - 03:31 .

[Rifneno]

Obadiah wrote...

It's an odd option.

I looked at it as more of a moral question separately from a cost/benefit analysis that I've read in this thread.

I vehemently disagree. There is no moral or ethical dilemma in the very slightest. There is no fate so awful that the heretic geth don't deserve it. Think about what they're trying to do. They want to assist in something that will kill more people than we can even really fathom. The council mentioned that their decisions effect trillions, so there's at the very least several trillion people in the Milky Way right now that the Reapers are going to try to kill. But that's just right now. Who knows how many times they have and will do it? Imagine that someone were to try and cause a nuclear winter in our current era. Just wiped out mankind. What kind of fate do you think he deserves? because that's not even a drop in the bucket, that's a drop in the ocean compared to what the geth want to help the Reapers do. And unlike the rest of the Reaper's servants, the heretic geth are with them willingly. They were not technologically enslaved.