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Disappointment With Mass Effect 2? An Open Discussion.

Débuté par Darth Drago , févr. 27 2010 11:26

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#1
Darth Drago

Posté 27 février 2010 - 11:26

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yoomazir

Posté 27 février 2010 - 11:41

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Darth, I'm not bothering anymore with these kind of discussions because every time, some people, refusing to accept that ME2 has huge flaws, come here and start posting insulting messages, that's how the previous one got locked and that's how I think this topic will get also locked sooner or later.
But, let me just say to you : keep up the good work man, in the hope that the ME dev team may listen to it.

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Mr.BlazenGlazen

Posté 27 février 2010 - 11:44

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I don't get how this is a disappointment. Really my only problems with this game is lack of exploration, dialouge, some freeze up, and little minor annoyances here and there that they could most likely fix.

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Samael77

Posté 27 février 2010 - 11:44

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yoomazir wrote...

Darth, I'm not bothering anymore with these kind of discussions because every time, some people, refusing to accept that ME2 has huge flaws, come here and start posting insulting messages, that's how the previous one got locked and that's how I think this topic will get also locked sooner or later.
But, let me just say to you : keep up the good work man, in the hope that the ME dev team may listen to it.

I agree, no matter how civil you may wish this to be, it will turn into a vulgar mudslinging fight.

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-Xapan-

Posté 27 février 2010 - 11:49

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It's not necessarily disappointing, just a few things were left out, and it could have been better. That's it.

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petipas1414

Posté 27 février 2010 - 11:54

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Really like what you're trying to do here!

(Please note that I play the 360 version)

Both games had flaws... but some where more tolerable than others.

ME:1 - Huge framerate issues. Inventory wasn't that bad on the first play through (when you can at least vendor stuff), but on the second playthrough when you had max credits and nothing could possibly be upgraded... then it got a taddddd annoying. Omni-geling stuff was tedious... but at least it had its uses (mako). I'm also going to say the mako was cool, but control was iffy.

ME2 - Framerate chugs were eliminated. The color palette was very cool, it had a darkish vibe. Looked REALLY nice on my tv. Inventory was dumbed down / eliminated. The group load-out thing was a really nice touch... but the selection of weapons was severely lacking. Lack of Spectre gear felt like a rip (especially since I had my status back). Story telling was good. Keyword: good. ME1 story was awesome! all characters had a lot of dialogue... in 2, people like Garrus were kind of boring... he has NOTHING to say really until his loyalty mission. ME2 also had cameos. Some were much better than others. Wrex and Liara were tolerable ( I actually really liked Liaras ) ... but sorry BW... ASHLEY CAMEO BLEW. Absolutely horrific. I saved that *****s a** TWICE just to get brushed off like that... and get some crappy letter apologizing. To be fair, a fling with Ms. Chambers remedied this a tad

I'm not going to type a brick wall of text... so I'll save some points for when/if this thread progresses

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bjdbwea

Posté 27 février 2010 - 11:55

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It would be great as the first part of the series. As a second part, it has too little improvements, and too many steps back. That's about it.

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hex23

Posté 27 février 2010 - 11:55

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These topics never end well mostly because the criticism of the game isn't handled well. Yes it's fine people dislike the game, no we don't need to read 5+ paragraphs from every single person explaining why. Likewise we don't need to read "War & Peace" sized posts from everyone who likes the game either, day after day after day.

And no offense to the OP but it's probably too late to start a polite critique thread given the million "OMFG I HATE ME2 U RUINED MY LIFE" threads that pop up every few days here. Self-important melodramatic whining isn't going to make anyone listen to you.

Not you per se, I mean whoever.

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Darth Drago

Posté 27 février 2010 - 11:56

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yoomazir wrote...

Darth, I'm not bothering anymore with these kind of discussions because every time, some people, refusing to accept that ME2 has huge flaws, come here and start posting insulting messages, that's how the previous one got locked and that's how I think this topic will get also locked sooner or later.
But, let me just say to you : keep up the good work man, in the hope that the ME dev team may listen to it.

Thanks for the support. I borrowed some basic rules from the Same Sex Romance thread as well as started this one clearly stating its intent. Hopefully there wont be as much trouble as we have seen in the other topics.

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hex23

Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:04

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yoomazir wrote...

Darth, I'm not bothering anymore with these kind of discussions because every time, some people, refusing to accept that ME2 has huge flaws.

See this is the type of sh*t I'm talking about right here.

It has huge flaws TO YOU. If someone disagrees that don't mean they "refuse to accept it"....it means it doesn't have huge flaws TO THEM. Your reality isn't absolute, and no one needs to "accept" anything you're saying, because it's not facts, it's just your opinion.

Wording things like you just did is what causes problems in these conversations.

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Jaysonie

Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:06

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yoomazir wrote...

Darth, I'm not bothering anymore with these kind of discussions because every time, some people, refusing to accept that ME2 has huge flaws, come here and start posting insulting messages, that's how the previous one got locked and that's how I think this topic will get also locked sooner or later.
But, let me just say to you : keep up the good work man, in the hope that the ME dev team may listen to it.

Those huge flaws are subjective. Understand that the things you point out as flaws are other things people like.

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newcomplex

Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:07

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Seriously, don't start a thread with /discuss. Its wholesomely unproductive. This thread would be on so much better footing if you made a thesis, taking care to follow your own guidelines.

The same sex romance thread started with a FAQ and several points of contention.

Though I suppose its better then the other guys flame ridden OP.

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Over00

Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:10

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It's common knowledge that there's no way you can please everyone in anything in life.

The poll seems to suggest that the majority of people are not disappointed about ME2.

What someone might consider as a fix to ME2 might be a disappointment for someone else. Like you said there is no right answer, only the choice of the majority.

So based on the poll, they didn't do bad and will likely keep on the same path otherwise they only risk of disappointing even more people ...

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Athelius

Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:13

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The things i didn't like were scanning (worse on a laptop mousepad) and the fact that although they added a conceit to allow you to change your character's appearance, they just used the same, not very good editor from ME1.

Other things like the new weapon/combat system are really kind of subjective. I liked the new combat, and don't miss the awkward inventory from the last game.

However, I definiteley think that the game could use more weapons, and IN GAME WEAPON STATISTICS. This game still isn't a shooter, you can't swtich between all weapons at will, and so you need an idea of what a weapon does before you use it, the descriptions don't do much for me.

Nonetheless, these are small issues: I was by no means dissapointed by ME2, the storyline and voice acting was much better than ME1, and the none-story arc missions were lightyears ahead in both story and level design.

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hex23

Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:20

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A few things I'd like to change:

1. More gear/armor/weapons. A more obvious difference in gear too, stats-wise. I play FFXI online and let's say one body armor has +10 Accuracy +10 Attack....that's obviously better than one with 5 of each stat. In "ME2" too often the improvements aren't obvious....it's something random like "Storm Speed" vs "+2% Shields". I mean, neither is going to help really in the grand scheme of things. Let's say a body piece had +10% Biotic Power....that's a definite improvement. Or some gloves had +5% Shotgun Damage, etc.

2. I wish they would've let you recruit people in any order. It would make replay value sky rocket since people would want to take different characters to different events in the story line.

3. As far as your choices between "ME1" and "ME2" over all I wasn't disappointed because I knew the differences wouldn't be THAT much, but the one choice they left out that sort of pissed me off was the Sole Survivor background, and how it never got mentioned at all to Cerberus. It makes zero sense, on any level. That should've been the very first thing my Shep asked TiM about.

That's all I can think of right now.

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yoda23

Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:24

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Although I like ME2 very much on PC (Sli is a must IMO) I have a couple of humble gripes that I feel should be shared.

1. I fail to realize why Garrus and Tali would not be loyal right from the beginning of ME2. Especially if you used them heavily, as I did, in ME1.

2. News? From the daily Cerberus news posts in the main screen to the pointless news terminals all over the place. Do these ever actually do anything?

3. Conversations? I find many of the conversations are thoroughly pointless, meaning they don't provide any information that is related to Shepherd or any of the quests. What is the point of including conversations that don't actually lead me somewhere?

4. Planet Scanning? Just how, exactly, am I able to spin a planet on its axis from orbit with a Scanner? Is exploration dead to Mass Effect 2 and beyond?

5. Squad Configurations? Why am I not able to view my squad stats while I am on the Normandy? And, don't even bring up the lame status view. I know Garrus has concussive shot, it would be helpful if I could actually monitor their level points BEFORE I land in hostile territory.

6. Combat? In narrow spaces trying to get my squad to run to cover is exasperating. The enemies assemble and take cover precisely while I am left struggling to get Tali to stop floating in mid-air before she is KIA???

7. XBOX? Finally, I am soooo sick of Bioware being denied all its glory by the faux-gamer crowd. Come on EA, throw the folks who seriously invested in game hardware something more than the usefullness of the stupid XBOX controller. I mean seriously! I am running 285's in Sli and an i7 920 to give Bioware their due, but the lack of attention to the PC crowd is simply insulting. However, I should add that, this is the best looking game I have ever seen. So SAD for the XBOX crowd who can't enjoy this game with the graphics it deserves.

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Darth Drago

Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:25

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Jaysonie wrote...

yoomazir wrote...

Darth, I'm not bothering anymore with these kind of discussions because every time, some people, refusing to accept that ME2 has huge flaws, come here and start posting insulting messages, that's how the previous one got locked and that's how I think this topic will get also locked sooner or later.
But, let me just say to you : keep up the good work man, in the hope that the ME dev team may listen to it.

Those huge flaws are subjective. Understand that the things you point out as flaws are other things people like.

hex23 wrote...

See this is the type of sh*t I'm talking about right here.

It has huge flaws TO YOU. If someone disagrees that don't mean they "refuse to accept it"....it means it doesn't have huge flaws TO THEM. Your reality isn't absolute, and no one needs to "accept" anything you're saying, because it's not facts, it's just your opinion.

Wording things like you just did is what causes problems in these conversations.

-It may not be worded in the best political politeness way but it is still his view point on how he feels about Mass Effect 2. He does have a valid point that no matter what we may say is flawed in ME2 others will not even acknowledge that it is a point of view issue.

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yoda23

Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:34

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newcomplex wrote...

Seriously, don't start a thread with /discuss. Its wholesomely unproductive. This thread would be on so much better footing if you made a thesis, taking care to follow your own guidelines.

The same sex romance thread started with a FAQ and several points of contention.

Though I suppose its better then the other guys flame ridden OP.

WRONG! It's posts like this that got some of the good stuff in ME1 removed from the game. I just wish I had participated more in the ME1 forums before the XBOX twits got their hands on ME2. IMO the XBOX crowd has dumbed down ME enough already. Time to speak up for ME3 before the console crowd fully ruins the game for everyone else. Check my math but this WAS a dynamite Sci-Fi RPG. Not a FPS! But obviously it only counts if the RPG fans step up and start posting. i.e. Lack of Inventory, Fewer weapon choices, Boring planet scanning. I recall all the harrassment over the Mako and the elevator scenes and look where all that hot air got us, a linear FPS action game with fewer RPG elements and LESS exploration. Not this time, not for ME3! People need to speak up before the XBOX ers ruin that game too.

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Jaysonie

Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:37

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yoda23 wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Seriously, don't start a thread with /discuss. Its wholesomely unproductive. This thread would be on so much better footing if you made a thesis, taking care to follow your own guidelines.

The same sex romance thread started with a FAQ and several points of contention.

Though I suppose its better then the other guys flame ridden OP.

WRONG! It's posts like this that got some of the good stuff in ME1 removed from the game. I just wish I had participated more in the ME1 forums before the XBOX twits got their hands on ME2. IMO the XBOX crowd has dumbed down ME enough already. Time to speak up for ME3 before the console crowd fully ruins the game for everyone else. Check my math but this WAS a dynamite Sci-Fi RPG. Not a FPS! But obviously it only counts if the RPG fans step up and start posting. i.e. Lack of Inventory, Fewer weapon choices, Boring planet scanning. I recall all the harrassment over the Mako and the elevator scenes and look where all that hot air got us, a linear FPS action game with fewer RPG elements and LESS exploration. Not this time, not for ME3! People need to speak up before the XBOX ers ruin that game too.

Since the "xbox crowd" make up a rather large majority of the people playing Mass Effect, i think not. Besides, its this kind of elitisim from the pc crowd that gives pc gaming a bad name. Xbox gamers arent twits.

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Andorfiend

Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:38

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Some of us think ME 2 strayed too far from ME 1 in ways both subtle and less so. I think the most productive lines of discussion is to see where the formula can be nudged back without ticking off the people who loved ME 2. Heck, I loved ME 2, but mot as much as ME 1.

Frankly the debates generally include a lot of people shouting past each other and never realising they are talking about things that don't intersect.

ME 1 fan: "I hated ME 2 because the characters felt too shallow and Garrus didn't have enough dialogue!"
ME 2 fan: "Shut up you idiot! ME 2 graphics blow ME 1 graphics away!"
ME 1 fan: "Are you kidding? I hate scanning!"
ME 2 fan: "The Mako sucked asteroids!"

Dispassionate obsever: "None of these things are related. You can have good graphics and better dialogue while fixing scanning and the Mako at the same time."
ME 1 & 2 fans: "Heretic! Burn the blasphemer! Unclean!"

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hex23

Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:39

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Darth Drago wrote...

-It may not be worded in the best political politeness way but it is still his view point on how he feels about Mass Effect 2. He does have a valid point that no matter what we may say is flawed in ME2 others will not even acknowledge that it is a point of view issue.

I'm sorry but that's bullsh*t. How he worded it, his viewpoint is "ME2 has huge flaws, other people need to accept it".

People need to watch how they word stuff. Then people sit back like "wow, I wonder why nobody will listen to me?".

This would be like me saying "ME2 doesn't have huge flaws and everyone needs to accept that".

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hex23

Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:42

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yoda23 wrote...

WRONG! It's posts like this that got some of the good stuff in ME1 removed from the game. I just wish I had participated more in the ME1 forums before the XBOX twits got their hands on ME2. IMO the XBOX crowd has dumbed down ME enough already. Time to speak up for ME3 before the console crowd fully ruins the game for everyone else. Check my math but this WAS a dynamite Sci-Fi RPG. Not a FPS! But obviously it only counts if the RPG fans step up and start posting. i.e. Lack of Inventory, Fewer weapon choices, Boring planet scanning. I recall all the harrassment over the Mako and the elevator scenes and look where all that hot air got us, a linear FPS action game with fewer RPG elements and LESS exploration. Not this time, not for ME3! People need to speak up before the XBOX ers ruin that game too.

The game was made for Xbox first, then later ported to PC. It's an Xbox game.

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yoda23

Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:44

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hex23 wrote...

yoda23 wrote...

WRONG! It's posts like this that got some of the good stuff in ME1 removed from the game. I just wish I had participated more in the ME1 forums before the XBOX twits got their hands on ME2. IMO the XBOX crowd has dumbed down ME enough already. Time to speak up for ME3 before the console crowd fully ruins the game for everyone else. Check my math but this WAS a dynamite Sci-Fi RPG. Not a FPS! But obviously it only counts if the RPG fans step up and start posting. i.e. Lack of Inventory, Fewer weapon choices, Boring planet scanning. I recall all the harrassment over the Mako and the elevator scenes and look where all that hot air got us, a linear FPS action game with fewer RPG elements and LESS exploration. Not this time, not for ME3! People need to speak up before the XBOX ers ruin that game too.

The game was made for Xbox first, then later ported to PC. It's an Xbox game.

Prove it and last I checked the XBOX is a PC but without a Keyboard and Mouse, just that stupid button mashing thing you all refer to as a "Controller". I don't think it is the Game that it being controlled, I think it is called the "Controller" b/c of what it makes the user do. :bandit:

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Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:44

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yoda23 wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Seriously, don't start a thread with /discuss. Its wholesomely unproductive. This thread would be on so much better footing if you made a thesis, taking care to follow your own guidelines.

The same sex romance thread started with a FAQ and several points of contention.

Though I suppose its better then the other guys flame ridden OP.

WRONG! It's posts like this that got some of the good stuff in ME1 removed from the game. I just wish I had participated more in the ME1 forums before the XBOX twits got their hands on ME2. IMO the XBOX crowd has dumbed down ME enough already. Time to speak up for ME3 before the console crowd fully ruins the game for everyone else. Check my math but this WAS a dynamite Sci-Fi RPG. Not a FPS! But obviously it only counts if the RPG fans step up and start posting. i.e. Lack of Inventory, Fewer weapon choices, Boring planet scanning. I recall all the harrassment over the Mako and the elevator scenes and look where all that hot air got us, a linear FPS action game with fewer RPG elements and LESS exploration. Not this time, not for ME3! People need to speak up before the XBOX ers ruin that game too.

What the fuck are you talking about broksi?   Lay off the dope.

I'm just saying one should make a few points of contention when starting a thread, helps shape a more productive discussion that will be taken more seriously by developers.   A thread that starts with no thesis or points and simply requests a discussion for a certain topic creates a much more unfocused discussion that is less informative and more likely to get sidetracked.

I wasn't against or supporting this thread or its topic, simply trying to inform some people of how to get a more productive thread going.   Learn to read.

Seriously, someone with your intellectual calibre and reading comprehension should be glad Bioware dumbed down the game.

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Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:45

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People who don't like Mass Effect 2 fail at life. End of discussion.

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Disappointment With Mass Effect 2? An Open Discussion.

#1 Darth Drago Posté 27 février 2010 - 11:26

#2 yoomazir Posté 27 février 2010 - 11:41

#3 Mr.BlazenGlazen Posté 27 février 2010 - 11:44

#4 Samael77 Posté 27 février 2010 - 11:44

#5 -Xapan- Posté 27 février 2010 - 11:49

#6 petipas1414 Posté 27 février 2010 - 11:54

#7 bjdbwea Posté 27 février 2010 - 11:55

#8 hex23 Posté 27 février 2010 - 11:55

#9 Darth Drago Posté 27 février 2010 - 11:56

#10 hex23 Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:04

#11 Jaysonie Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:06

#12 newcomplex Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:07

#13 Over00 Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:10

#14 Athelius Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:13

#15 hex23 Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:20

#16 yoda23 Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:24

#17 Darth Drago Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:25

#18 yoda23 Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:34

#19 Jaysonie Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:37

#20 Andorfiend Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:38

#21 hex23 Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:39

#22 hex23 Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:42

#23 yoda23 Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:44

#24 newcomplex Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:44

#25 Busomjack Posté 28 février 2010 - 12:45

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Darth Drago

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Samael77

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-Xapan-

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bjdbwea

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hex23

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Darth Drago

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hex23

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Jaysonie

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newcomplex

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Over00

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Athelius

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hex23

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yoda23

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Darth Drago

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hex23

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yoda23

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