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[Terror_K]

Ecael wrote...

This forum doesn't need more critics.

Why not?

[Ecael]

Terror_K wrote...

Ecael wrote...

This forum doesn't need more critics.

Why not?

Because we have enough people criticizing the critics for just being critics.

:innocent:

[SkullandBonesmember]

foxstranger wrote...

The amount of negativity and pessimism toward Mass Effect 3 is also disturbing, and it also fosters a lot of arguments. I'm almost always going to take the side of BioWare and be optimistic about what they will produce. While others may have a different "opinion", these are the three options that can occur from this point on:

1. ME3 is released, is unanimously a great game to everyone, and I win this never-ending argument for being optimistic (and being correct).

2. ME3 is released, is "meh", the pessimists win, but the game is still bad with no ME4 in the works, so they actually lose.

3. ME3 is never released or is terrible - we all lose.

Umm. There's another possibility that ME3 will be just like ME2 where for most its "cool" to love it and many are content and then some with the game despite a good amount of the RPG fanbase being very disappointed.

iakus wrote...

Good idea:  Loyalty missons.  Excellent way to get to know your squadmates and learn about the various worlds.
Bad idea:  Making recruitment/loyalty missions the entire thrust of the game

Good idea:  Setting ME 2 in a different part of the galaxy and introducing a new threat.  Keeps the series fresh.
Bad idea:  Pretty much ignoring said new threat until the very end of the game

Good idea: Introducing new squadmates.  Travel the galaxy and meet new people.
Bad idea:  Really too much of a good thing.

Good idea:  Old choices carrying over
Bad Idea" You have new messages at your personal terminal"

Good idea:  Less inventory
Bad Idea:  No inventory

Good idea:  Unique looks for squadmates
Bad idea:  Miranda's perma-wedgie, Jacob's superhero outfit, Garrus' broken armor, Jack's no armor (or shirt), etc

Good idea: "Working for the bad guys"  Okay in concept
Bad idea: Turning the Council and most of your old friends into idiots so TIM is your only friend in the entire Galaxy
Bad idea2: Retconning Cerberus to be considerably warmer and fuzzier.

Good idea:  Updated graphic
Bad idea:  None.  Graphics are good

Good idea: the music
Bad idea:  None, music is excellent, and I normally turn music off on games.

It's time for another GOOD IDEA/BAD IDEA.

GOOD IDEA:
Throwing your father a surprise birthday party.

BAD IDEA:
Throwing your Grandfather a surprise birthday party.

Cookie for anyone who gets the reference. 

Ecael wrote...

Because we have enough people criticizing the critics for just being critics.

:innocent:

Yeah, I could hardly describe those who give universal praise from big name sites with their only problem(IF ANY) being the planet scanning, anything close to a "critic".

Say uberdowzen, why the change of avatar?

[MassEffect762]

I wonder if all the departments/cells/teams or whatever work structure they have over at Bioware communicate with each other about the games development be they big or small decisions.

I can't imagine every employee involved in the games development seeing eye to eye either.

Also wonder what percentage of them are passionate about their job and the game at hand or who's just collecting a check.(I doubt they all have fun jobs)

Modifié par MassEffect762, 28 mai 2010 - 02:43 .

[Ecael]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Yeah, I could hardly describe those who give universal praise from big name sites with their only problem(IF ANY) being the planet scanning, anything close to a "critic".

That's assuming they don't give brutally honest reviews about other games (including EA games).

http://www.gameranki...ight/index.html

That game had everything going for it - the well-known name (Command and Conquer) and a major publisher backing it up.

It failed. Horribly.

They're critics, but they know a good game when they see one.

[Dudeman315]

Is it Animaniacs? Exactly some critics said they never got the feeling that they'd completed a mission and there were no points where the game didn't flow from mission to mission---apparently he also can't read the words mission complete after each mission. So yeah sycophants reviewing games give me little faith in these so called critics!

[Ecael]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

It's time for another GOOD IDEA/BAD IDEA.

GOOD IDEA:
Throwing your father a surprise birthday party.

BAD IDEA:
Throwing your Grandfather a surprise birthday party.

Cookie for anyone who gets the reference. 

Good idea: Playing the scales on a piano.

Bad idea: Playing the scales on a fish.

[Ecael]

Dudeman315 wrote...

Is it Animaniacs? Exactly some critics said they never got the feeling that they'd completed a mission and there were no points where the game didn't flow from mission to mission---apparently he also can't read the words mission complete after each mission. So yeah sycophants reviewing games give me little faith in these so called critics!

So who exactly are they being sycophantic to, then?

[Dudeman315]

www.gamepro.com/article/reviews/214433/command-conquer-4-tiberian-twilight/
And then you have reviews like the ME2 ones ^

Most Major game companies

Modifié par Dudeman315, 28 mai 2010 - 02:53 .

[Ecael]

Dudeman315 wrote...


www.gamepro.com/article/reviews/214433/command-conquer-4-tiberian-twilight/
And then you have reviews like the ME2 ones ^

That site gave C&C4 a B.

http://www.gameranki...2/articles.html

Near-unanimous agreement. 70 out of 72 giving it an A grade or higher.

You're pointing out the outliers to try to prove a point, so I'll point out the outliers for Mass Effect 2 - and there aren't many.

Dudeman315 wrote...

Most Major game companies

EA, or BioWare?

[SkullandBonesmember]

Ecael wrote...

They're critics, but they know a good game when they see one.

Keep telling yourself that.

Just ONE fairly recent game off the top of my head:

http://www.videogame...e_3/review.html

http://xbox360.ign.c...015/015334.html

Not saying that there isn't any games that have been well received AND good or vice versa though.

Dudeman315 wrote...

Is it Animaniacs? Exactly some critics said they never got the feeling that they'd completed a mission and there were no points where the game didn't flow from mission to mission---apparently he also can't read the words mission complete after each mission. So yeah sycophants reviewing games give me little faith in these so called critics!

You win the Internetz. 

[Ecael]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Ecael wrote...

They're critics, but they know a good game when they see one.

Keep telling yourself that.

Just ONE fairly recent game off the top of my head:

http://www.videogame...e_3/review.html

http://xbox360.ign.c...015/015334.html

Not saying that there isn't any games that have been well received AND good or vice versa though.

Link more than 25 reviews for a single game that you'd like to use as an example, and then I'll believe you.

[Dudeman315]

EA, Vendi-Blizzard, Sony, and Nintendo mainly.



ME2 made me swear off of pre-ordering for along time, last time I was that disappointed was Masters of Orion 3.

[instantdeath999]

I'm not a fan of critics myself.  Books critics and film critics I usually give some basic level of respect, since they tend to at least know what they are talking about.  Music and video game critics, however, are an entirely different subject. 

I won't get into music critics, considering just how subjective music is at its core and how so many modern critics are guilty of not listening to anything but the most mainstream, but video game critics are almost as bad.  It's very difficult to pin down exactly what makes a good game; in fact, by most game critics standards, completely rehashing a great game with improved graphics and a few new game modes is a perfect 10, and like music critics, are guilty of favoring more popular games for the sake of publicity.  I remember reading one case where a game was given a better than usual review because the particular website had ads for it. Also, games being a relatively new art form, tend to have much less experienced critics. 

That said, that does not mean you can discount their opinions.  Critics are just people too, and hopefully, above all, they look for fun in games... unless of course you're that douche from Zero Punctuation (who, I might add, really doesn't have any idea what he's talking about).  They are paid to play games, after all, so they obviously enjoy doing it.  They're also more likely to think their opinions through, since hundreds could potentially read their opinions and use them to influence their own.  To say that critics are never to be trusted is just as stupid as using their opinion as your own, after all.  I don't completely agree that they know a good game when they see one, but I don't think it will fly over their heads either.

  Mass Effect 2 is an amazing game, and in this case, the critics agree.  In my personal opinion, it's miles better than something like Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, which is also loved by critics (overloved, again in my opinion).  I don't think anyone can honestly say that ME2 is a flat out bad game, and I think many will agree it's one of the best games to come from this generation.  

Constructive criticism is great, however, since Bioware obviously do listen to their players feedback (just look at the most recent patch for proof).  And I doubt anyone here is calling ME2 a bad game, but if they are... please, go play games like Bionicles, Bliss Island, Lost: Via Domus, and Bomberman: Act Zero.  Then try calling ME2 a bad game

[Ecael]

Dudeman315 wrote...

EA, Vendi-Blizzard, Sony, and Nintendo mainly.

ME2 made me swear off of pre-ordering for along time, last time I was that disappointed was Masters of Orion 3.

Let's focus on EA-BioWare then, since it's relevant to Mass Effect 2.

Mass Effect and DLC reviews
Dragon Age and DLC reviews
Sonic Chronicles
Jade Empire

Knights of the Old Republic

No BioWare game, expansion or DLC in the last 7 years has come close to the uncontested agreement in review scores as with Mass Effect 2.

If they're being sycophantic toward EA-BioWare, I certainly don't see it. The reviews for some of the Mass Effect DLCs look extremely critical to me.

[instantdeath999]

KOTOR certainly got close. That game, for good reason, was loved by critics.

Also, I love how some people assume that every critic is the same person; if one posts a bad review, it must instantly discredit the rest of them.  Again, they are people, not machines

Modifié par instantdeath999, 28 mai 2010 - 03:15 .

[uberdowzen]

Terror_K wrote...

Exactly. Which just proved that while BioWare claims to listen to its fans, it listens to professional generic critics much, much more. Which is why they seemed to have missed the points entirely about the real issues regarding elevators and The Mako in the original game. The loading screens and Hammerhead just prove this even moreso.

This seems to assume that none of the fans were happy with ME2. I'm a massive Mass Effect/Bioware fan and I was pleased with ME2.

[uberdowzen]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Say uberdowzen, why the change of avatar?

Um, at risk of falling into some kind of hidden trap, I'm going to say because I felt like, I was getting a little sick of the other one. *Nervously awaits trap...*

[instantdeath999]

uberdowzen wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Exactly. Which just proved that while BioWare claims to listen to its fans, it listens to professional generic critics much, much more. Which is why they seemed to have missed the points entirely about the real issues regarding elevators and The Mako in the original game. The loading screens and Hammerhead just prove this even moreso.

This seems to assume that none of the fans were happy with ME2. I'm a massive Mass Effect/Bioware fan and I was pleased with ME2.

From what I've seen, the majority of the fans of ME were pleased with ME2.  Of course, sometime the minority is a lot louder than the majority.

[uberdowzen]

I think critics get far too much flak. Fans of games are always saying how stupid they are and how they couldn't review their way out of a paper bag, but the issue is that these are the fans who have far too much emotional attachment to a particular game and so their opinion is going to be swayed by their feelings more than anything. Critics very rarely get involved to the same degree and, if they are working for a magazine etc, they probably won't be the one who ends up reviewing that game.

[uberdowzen]

instantdeath999 wrote...

From what I've seen, the majority of the fans of ME were pleased with ME2.  Of course, sometime the minority is a lot louder than the majority.

Even the people who went out of their way to find this thread and who answered the poll on the first page seem to be comprised more of ME2 fans than haters.

[MassEffect762]

uberdowzen wrote...

instantdeath999 wrote...

From what I've seen, the majority of the fans of ME were pleased with ME2.  Of course, sometime the minority is a lot louder than the majority.

Even the people who went out of their way to find this thread and who answered the poll on the first page seem to be comprised more of ME2 fans than haters.

(Not that I'm trying to look for excuses)

Darth needs to add(imo) one more poll.

Age group involved, should help determine the "X" factor.(mindset/target audience)

Would be interesting to see what turns up.

[SkullandBonesmember]

uberdowzen wrote...

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Say uberdowzen, why the change of avatar?

Um, at risk of falling into some kind of hidden trap, I'm going to say because I felt like, I was getting a little sick of the other one. *Nervously awaits trap...*

*resists Admiral Ackbar meme*

I luld. Just wondering. Had to do a double take since I'm used to the geth underneath your username.

instantdeath999 wrote...

From what I've seen, the majority of the fans of ME were pleased with ME2.  Of course, sometime the minority is a lot louder than the majority.

instantdeath999 wrote...

I'm not a fan of critics myself.  Books critics and film critics I usually give some basic level of respect, since they tend to at least know what they are talking about.  Music and video game critics, however, are an entirely different subject. 

I won't get into music critics, considering just how subjective music is at its core and how so many modern critics are guilty of not listening to anything but the most mainstream, but video game critics are almost as bad.  It's very difficult to pin down exactly what makes a good game; in fact, by most game critics standards, completely rehashing a great game with improved graphics and a few new game modes is a perfect 10, and like music critics, are guilty of favoring more popular games for the sake of publicity.  I remember reading one case where a game was given a better than usual review because the particular website had ads for it.

I agree with you on the latter quote but not the former. The same was said for Tali's fanbase.

Modifié par SkullandBonesmember, 28 mai 2010 - 03:41 .

[instantdeath999]

uberdowzen wrote...

I think critics get far too much flak. Fans of games are always saying how stupid they are and how they couldn't review their way out of a paper bag, but the issue is that these are the fans who have far too much emotional attachment to a particular game and so their opinion is going to be swayed by their feelings more than anything. Critics very rarely get involved to the same degree and, if they are working for a magazine etc, they probably won't be the one who ends up reviewing that game.

Oh yeah.  No one is ever unbiased, though critics at least give effort.  Go to a mainstream game website, like gamespot, gamefaqs, ign or whatever, and look at some of the player reviews.  Yeah, most of them aren't very good.  Critics can be total idiots, but at least they have some level of writing skills and at least try to look at a game with an open mind... even if they don't always succeed.  

I think the same can be said in reverse, too, when critics give a game a really bad score.  I've personally had a lot of fun with games that get terrible reviews.  A lot of critics are paid to play tons and tons of games, so it's only natural that they may get tired of playing video games for a little while, or want to play a good game while they're stuck playing a bad game.  I think some of that frustration occasionally comes out when reviewing average games.  

uberdowzen wrote...

instantdeath999 wrote...

From
what I've seen, the majority of the fans of ME were pleased with ME2. 
Of course, sometime the minority is a lot louder than the majority.

Even
the people who went out of their way to find this thread and who
answered the poll on the first page seem to be comprised more of ME2
fans than haters.

You usually see tons of people
complain on the internet, but that's because people who are pissed off
are more likely to go tell people about it than people who are perfectly
content (though some people need to express their joy, too). 

[Ecael]

MassEffect762 wrote...

(Not that I'm trying to look for excuses)

Darth needs to add(imo) one more poll.

Age group involved, should help determine the "X" factor.(mindset/target audience)

Would be interesting to see what turns up.

People below a certain age would have quit playing the game after the second mission because of all the dialogue.