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[TJSolo]

If you somehow want to ignore how dumb it is being told in game during the fight how to beat the last boss in a game you have played from the beginning is then that is your call to not see it for what it is.



If a product was marketed and designed for a certain age range, demographic, attention span..then the next iteration of the product is designed for a younger age range, stupider demographic, and lower attention span then the first demographic can accurately say the product has been dumbed down.



Some of Dragos points touch on larger issues. Such as is point about the bulletproof glass railings all around is a problem with the overuse of cover in the level design. The level design is a derivative from the implementation of the cover combat system.

[SithLordExarKun]

As much as everyone has their opinion, i haven't seen a case of denial this bad. Bash the game once, twice maybe thrice and move on. What is getting nit picky going to do?



I am sure as hell disappointed with FFXIII but i don't bash it every single day for 1 and a half months...

[TJSolo]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

As much as everyone has their opinion, i haven't seen a case of denial this bad. Bash the game once, twice maybe thrice and move on. What is getting nit picky going to do?

I am sure as hell disappointed with FFXIII but i don't bash it every single day for 1 and a half months...

You can't even tell ideas, complaints, whines, bashing, minor dissapointment, or nit picks apart with the type of bias you possess.

Is Square even the kind of company that accepts customer ideas on their forums?

[Jaysonie]

TJSolo wrote...

If you somehow want to ignore how dumb it is being told in game during the fight how to beat the last boss in a game you have played from the beginning is then that is your call to not see it for what it is.

Ignore it, its a minor annoyance at best. Not a big deal, an "adult" such as yourself should be able to get over such a minor thing without complaining.

If a product was marketed and designed for a certain age range, demographic, attention span..then the next iteration of the product is designed for a younger age range, stupider demographic, and lower attention span then the first demographic can accurately say the product has been dumbed down.

Ah, no. Just no.  What an ignorant and childish thing to write.

Some of Dragos points touch on larger issues. Such as is point about the bulletproof glass railings all around is a problem with the overuse of cover in the level design. The level design is a derivative from the implementation of the cover combat system.

Its 200 years in the future, maybe they made glass strong enough to take bullets.

Modifié par Jaysonie, 11 mars 2010 - 04:04 .

[SithLordExarKun]

TJSolo wrote...


You can't even tell ideas, complaints, whines, bashing, minor dissapointment, or nit picks apart with the type of bias you possess.

Because a policeman of the forum like you says so? Really, you think i myself don't have complaints against the game?  Substantiate this "bias" that i supposedly possess seeing that i critisized the game in several threads.

If you got anything to say personally message me.

TJSolo wrote...
Is Square even the kind of company that accepts customer ideas on their forums?

No, but drago somehow seems to think that bioware will listen to him just because he and a handful don't like the game.

My point is whats the point of constantly bashing the game when its likely the developers at this point of time don't give the "criticisms" much oversight?

[TJSolo]

Jaysonie wrote...

Its 200 years in the future, maybe they made glass strong enough to take bullets.

Sure explain it away.
Yet there still is glass in the game the breaks when shot, just not the glass that is suited for cover.
The game suffers because of the attempt to adjust the target demographic mid-series.

I worded my previous post the way I wanted. I was considering mincing words but decided it was best to be upfront insulting or not; since on these forums is so many people don't get the point anyway.

@Sith
Keep up the propaganda of how free of flaws ME2 is.
Perhaps you should go to the Wishlist sticky or Scarecrows thread to enlighten them.
Bring pamphlets.

[Meistr_Chef]

Well the poll in the OP indicate that the majority (so far 78%) of the polltakers find that ME2 is not a disappointment.

That said, a good developer would be wise to read through these comments and see if they can do something to please the minority WITHOUT compromising the overall vision of the trilogy. I personally think the changes in ME2 were largely for the better and I can look past the smaller details because the overall flow of the game and its urgency seem to pace much better this time around. Feel free to add extra layers of meaningul options Bioware but don't add "grind" to the game!

For some of you who are severely disappointed with ME2 and have written a long list of complaints about minor details (bulletproof glass...I mean seriously.) ...I urge you not to miss the forest for the trees!

Modifié par Meistr_Chef, 11 mars 2010 - 04:43 .

[SurfaceBeneath]

TJSolo wrote...
Keep up the propaganda of how free of flaws ME2 is.

Modifié par SurfaceBeneath, 11 mars 2010 - 04:43 .

[Darth Drago]

Apparently we need to repost the first posting in this forum since either some people didn’t bother reading them, forgot them or just don’t care.

Darth Drago wrote...
Since a few of these topics have been locked down for one reason or another as well it seems one gets created each day or so, it would be in everyone’s best interest to have a central topic for this.

Whether or not you love Mass Effect 1, Mass Effect 2 or both games. There is some concern by several of us about the changes that were made to the game franchise. This topic is to be used to point out what some of us didn’t like in those changes and why. Hopefully, from those that did like the changes, get their viewpoint as to why they like them as well. There is no right or wrong answer here, just various perspectives on two games from those that play them.

Simple rules to follow:
1. Be respectful of the views and opinions posted in here, for or against the headline topic. If you don’t like what was said that’s fine but don’t reply with a negative attack on that person.
2. All opinions and views are welcome, for or against the headline topic. If you love Mass Effect 2 but think we are wrong that’s fine, give us your perspective on why you love Mass Effect 2 over Mass Effect 1.
3. Be mindful that this is in the “No Spoilers” section. However some minor spoilers may show up from time to time.
4. Please, no pictures in your posting unless it pertains to the topic.
5. Do not feed any trolls that may appear. Just ignore them.

Please Vote!

Disappointed with Mass Effect 2 Poll?
http://social.bioware.com/420093/polls/1659/

Mako vs. Planet Scanning Poll.
http://social.bioware.com/420093/polls/2843/


This is worth checking out.
Scarecrow’s Compendium of Proposals to BioWare for Mass Effect Gameplay Improvements http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/103/index/913897

For the record I don’t post much in here, 31 times (including this one now) out of the 357 posted replies in here and a lot of those are replying to what someone else has posted.

As long as people have an interest to post their dislikes about ME2 then this topic will continue. I will continue to bring in some of my gripes (old and new) every now and then as well.

Modifié par Darth Drago, 11 mars 2010 - 05:11 .

[SithLordExarKun]

TJSolo wrote...


@Sith
Keep up the propaganda of how free of flaws ME2 is.
Perhaps you should go to the Wishlist sticky or Scarecrows thread to enlighten them.
Bring pamphlets.

Oh the irony.

[TJSolo]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

TJSolo wrote...


@Sith
Keep up the propaganda of how free of flaws ME2 is.
Perhaps you should go to the Wishlist sticky or Scarecrows thread to enlighten them.
Bring pamphlets.

Oh the irony.

What irony boss?
There are things about ME2 that can be improved upon for ME3. There is a sticky.
There are things in ME2 that are lacking and can be added to for ME3. There is a sticky.
Or am I wrong and ME2 is a perfect game free of flaws? Before you answer that, let me reload ME2 because my character just went out of the map while trying to take cover on Horizon.


I will be waiting for your one line retort.

[JoeyUsf813]

ME2 is a phenomenal game. I love it, and truly consider ME one of the best series out on the market. I can still enjoy the game, while still being aware of some of the issues that game has. Plotholes, weak dialogue, planet scanning, and poor/absent RPG elements are some issues I have with the game. The most obvious plothole I take issue with is the mechs and heat sink weapons on Jacob's loyalty mission. The weak dialogue between Garus and Shepard is another issue I have. Planet scanning was just not fun, and is my biggest complaint about the game. I miss the Mako and the exploration that was present in ME1. The goes in hand with the poor/absent RPG elements. I missed looting bodies or finding new and powerful armors/weapons/weapon mods. The level up in ME2 paled in comarison to ME1. The only bug I encountered would be invisible elevators elevating me onto walls or stacks of crates. I think I heard of a few others, but that was the only one I encountered.



Despite those few issues I have with the game, I love the game and will continue to play it with the new updates that are released by the developers. If the developers do keep an eye on this forum, I am sure they will find a way to balance the issues the fans have with the game while still being able to reach a wider audience that can enjoy the ME universe.

[JaylaClark]

Just quickly dropping my two credits in here --

I personally think that ME2's combat is phenomonal, and its XP and leveling system are pretty good as well.

The story... well, I go back and forth on that.  But I'm on the fence for 'needs improvement' to 'incomplete' depending on my mood, though realistically it's closer to the former.  But without giving too much away, it's just missing a whole lot of connection to the original plot, and I think that has a lot to do with the end-game mechanic that the entire game was most likely built around, which made it impossible to tie things together for a few of us fans of the first game.

Still, I think DLC can patch the holes I feel are present in the story, and I also think BW would like to do so, so I'm giving a 'cautious thumbs up'.

[Bob5312]

TJSolo wrote...

There are things about ME2 that can be improved upon for ME3. There is a sticky.
There are things in ME2 that are lacking and can be added to for ME3. There is a sticky.
Or am I wrong and ME2 is a perfect game free of flaws? Before you answer that, let me reload ME2 because my character just went out of the map while trying to take cover on Horizon.

I will be waiting for your one line retort.

I would find this argument a lot more convincing if there was broad consensus on what the flaws actually are.  Some people miss the inventory, the xp, the more extensive skill tree, and the sheer grind of ME1; others prefer the new streamlined system.  The only thing everyone seems to agree on is that planet scanning is not a whole lot of fun. 

There are technical flaws and glitches, certainly, but I personally found that these were minor and not terribly problematic (I had to reload many fewer times due to glitches in ME2 than I did in ME1).   

There were things I did not like about ME2.  These probably won't be the same as the things you didn't like about it.  But I was certainly not disappointed; the game gave me pretty much everything I expected after the first, I liked the use of conversation interrupts, the combat was improved, the friendly AI (while not perfect) has been vastly improved, and the graphics are first-rate.  The inventory and the Mako were both gone, but I didn't really miss either one (though this is my personal opinion).

[SithLordExarKun]

TJSolo wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

TJSolo wrote...


@Sith
Keep up the propaganda of how free of flaws ME2 is.
Perhaps you should go to the Wishlist sticky or Scarecrows thread to enlighten them.
Bring pamphlets.

Oh the irony.

What irony boss?
There are things about ME2 that can be improved upon for ME3. There is a sticky.
There are things in ME2 that are lacking and can be added to for ME3. There is a sticky.
Or am I wrong and ME2 is a perfect game free of flaws? Before you answer that, let me reload ME2 because my character just went out of the map while trying to take cover on Horizon.


I will be waiting for your one line retort.

[KroganPants]

Me2 definatly has its flaws, but its hard to make a game that has none, and imo this game more than makes up for the few it has. It is simply a good game.
About the story, it was a little weak compared to the first one, but we wont really be able to appreciate it until the trilogy is released.
Now as the second post on the first page said, i have to insult you. YOU ALL SUCK #@$! 

Modifié par KroganPants, 11 mars 2010 - 08:12 .

[TJSolo]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

TJSolo wrote...


@Sith
Keep up the propaganda of how free of flaws ME2 is.
Perhaps you should go to the Wishlist sticky or Scarecrows thread to enlighten them.
Bring pamphlets.

Oh the irony.

What irony boss?
There are things about ME2 that can be improved upon for ME3. There is a sticky.
There are things in ME2 that are lacking and can be added to for ME3. There is a sticky.
Or am I wrong and ME2 is a perfect game free of flaws? Before you answer that, let me reload ME2 because my character just went out of the map while trying to take cover on Horizon.


I will be waiting for your one line retort.

<INSERT USELESS TROLL PIC HERE>

Ur not doing it rite.
Please visit /b/ moar and troll here less.
kthxbai.

[SurfaceBeneath]

TJSolo wrote...
Ur not doing it rite.
Please visit /b/ moar and troll here less.
kthxbai.

Not to white knight for Sith or anything, but I'm not sure what you expected after making the statement "Mass Effect 2 is not a perfect game, it has problems and could be improved."

I'm quite certain that you could remove the words "Mass Effect 2" and "game" from that phrase and insert any noun imaginable and no sane person would seriously argue with you.

Modifié par SurfaceBeneath, 11 mars 2010 - 08:29 .

[SithLordExarKun]

TJSolo wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

TJSolo wrote...


@Sith
Keep up the propaganda of how free of flaws ME2 is.
Perhaps you should go to the Wishlist sticky or Scarecrows thread to enlighten them.
Bring pamphlets.

Oh the irony.

What irony boss?
There are things about ME2 that can be improved upon for ME3. There is a sticky.
There are things in ME2 that are lacking and can be added to for ME3. There is a sticky.
Or am I wrong and ME2 is a perfect game free of flaws? Before you answer that, let me reload ME2 because my character just went out of the map while trying to take cover on Horizon.


I will be waiting for your one line retort.

LOL u nub, stfu "j00 suX0rz! ph33r teh 1337 h4x0r 4 1
4t3 j00r r4m3n n00d135

^ Type it again , in english this time.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 11 mars 2010 - 08:34 .

[TJSolo]

I curious as to why stating "Mass Effect 2 is not a perfect game, it has problems and could be improved."
Evokes such a feral and vicious response from some forumites.
That statement was made to Sith because any thread that points out flaws or improvements that can be made he comes in with comments vehemently defending ME2 as if it walks on water.
I have to make such a general accurate statement to Sith otherwise it would get strawmaned to death.

As you can see from posts in this thread, Sith lacks the ability to make points against valid statements no matter how general.

Modifié par TJSolo, 11 mars 2010 - 08:36 .

[SithLordExarKun]

TJSolo wrote...

I curious as to why stating "Mass Effect 2 is not a perfect game, it has problems and could be improved."
Evokes such a feral and vicious response from some forumites.
That statement was made to Sith because any thread that points out flaws or improvements that can be made he comes in with comments vehemently defending ME2 as if it walks on water.
I have to make such a general accurate statement to Sith otherwise it would get strawmaned to death.

More strawman arguments! Attacking a position i never made.

Perhaps you should get your eyes checked? 

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Because a policeman of the forum
like you says so? Really, you think i myself don't have complaints
against the game?  Substantiate this "bias" that i supposedly possess
seeing that i critisized the game in several threads.

^ Some one doesn't know how to read.

[Murmillos]

Bob5312 wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

There are things about ME2 that can be improved upon for ME3. There is a sticky.
There are things in ME2 that are lacking and can be added to for ME3. There is a sticky.
Or am I wrong and ME2 is a perfect game free of flaws? Before you answer that, let me reload ME2 because my character just went out of the map while trying to take cover on Horizon.

I will be waiting for your one line retort.

I would find this argument a lot more convincing if there was broad consensus on what the flaws actually are.  Some people miss the inventory, the xp, the more extensive skill tree, and the sheer grind of ME1; others prefer the new streamlined system.  The only thing everyone seems to agree on is that planet scanning is not a whole lot of fun. 

There are technical flaws and glitches, certainly, but I personally found that these were minor and not terribly problematic (I had to reload many fewer times due to glitches in ME2 than I did in ME1).   

There were things I did not like about ME2.  These probably won't be the same as the things you didn't like about it.  But I was certainly not disappointed; the game gave me pretty much everything I expected after the first, I liked the use of conversation interrupts, the combat was improved, the friendly AI (while not perfect) has been vastly improved, and the graphics are first-rate.  The inventory and the Mako were both gone, but I didn't really miss either one (though this is my personal opinion).

Most of un happy with ME2 DO NOT want the "sheer grind" of ME1.  We wanted fixes, we wanted tweaks to features and aspects.  What we did not want was the BioWare spring cleaning hack and slash of core game mechanics that we got with ME2.
We wanted less loot, a lot less loot - not NO loot.
We wanted less copy and paste featureless explorable worlds - not NO worlds.

Only once did I ever experience a glitch that required me to reload in ME1, and that was during the Benezia fight when she tossed me out of the world.  Out of my 5 complete play-thrus in ME2, I've had to reload the game more then 10 times per play thru because I get stuck on some invisible platform in the air that i'm un-able to get off of because I thought using that box for cover wasn't going to bork up my ****ing game!!!

We disliked a lot of stuff in ME1, but only due to old RPG mechanics and oversight that clear cleaning up and fixing would have corrected.  The gutting of ME1 was unexpected, not needed, and presents more problems then the ME1 system.

[Lucy Glitter]

TJSolo seems to think he is god, and therefore all his opinions are the logical and correct ones.



This means, children, that we ignore the silly man and smile as we joyfully scroll past his posts.

[TJSolo]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

I curious as to why stating "Mass Effect 2 is not a perfect game, it has problems and could be improved."
Evokes such a feral and vicious response from some forumites.
That statement was made to Sith because any thread that points out flaws or improvements that can be made he comes in with comments vehemently defending ME2 as if it walks on water.
I have to make such a general accurate statement to Sith otherwise it would get strawmaned to death.

More strawman arguments! Attacking a position i never made.

Perhaps you should get your eyes checked? 

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Because a policeman of the forum
like you says so? Really, you think i myself don't have complaints
against the game?  Substantiate this "bias" that i supposedly possess
seeing that i critisized the game in several threads.

^ Some one doesn't know how to read.

Why don't you recall your own posting history where you spent post after post calling people names because of their views along with reducing their comments to things they didn't imply.

You know what. I think the best solution is to let you do your song and dance unfettered by my comments.
Make all the posts you normally do. Reading your conversations it more amusing than being involved in them.